I did a REMIX of the Cameron CCV Video

[Digital Jams]

I have ZERO vested in anything related to this thread and I am "butthurt"


Ok who is this guy? I know he is not new to the forum party

 

[Rogue]

^^ This is what I am hearing also, nobody really is defending the clip in a zealot type of way, they are responding to comments you (Rouge) have made that when challenged you misdirect so you do not have give an answer. I did not like the clip as much as some of the others but I understand why Mark redid it, that makes sense and is not odd or funny. Sounds like you need to go back through your posts and see some of the definitive things you have said and rethink them. Or just keep posting and looking ignorant! I do not need a hug for the record!!

Let's look at it, shall we?

Here is the first post I made....

Sounds great. Thats enough TONE for ANYONE...

Assuming you have enough stuff to get it wet enough.

Of course with all the "you don't know what you're talking about blah blah" that has happened since, everyone has sit here and told me "close miced clips don't sound very good" and they need post work.

So, THAT TONE indeed NEEDS to be wet to sound good by EVERYONE'S admission here....if we really want to be picky about it.

But hey, let's jump on the guy for saying the same thing everyone else is saying, and less insult him along the way. Is that the new Rig Talk motif? You can't say anything about Cameron clips without getting lambasted?

I'll say it again, it's like the Fractal forum.

 

[Rogue]

Yes manly...lol. No reach arounds allowed, Don maybe, but not you buddy...lol.

Mark

Don was a man among men, for sure.

 

[Schaf]

[So for the record, are you saying a close miced speaker has never sounded good without post work done on it?

You're reading comprehension is poor. Did you read my post? I like listening to close-mic'd guitar sounds because I listen to them all the time when I record and I don't expect it to sound like the amp in the room or a produced clip. Most people who do not do a lot of recording will think they sound like shit

A close mic'd speaker will never sound like the amp in the room. Every recorded guitar tone you've ever loved has been ambienced, EQ'd, mastered, etc. to either make it sound close, better or different than the amp sounded in the room. No recorded guitar tone you've ever loved was just a close mic'd speaker with no post.

You said that it was funny that people needed to add post to a close mic'd guitar clip to make it sound "good". That makes it clear you do not understand anything about recording guitars. It makes no sense, since that is what EVERy producer does...

What have I said that makes no sense?

Have I cleared it up for you now? I thought so.

Steve

I love it when you get on the case!

 

[Atropos_Project]

I don't think it's that difficult to get a good, close mic'd, uneffected clip. The issue tends to be that you need to tweak the amp while you're listening through monitors, because as Mark states, what sounds good in the room will often sound not-so-good to a close mic.

I dunno, I've been fortunate enough to play an older version of this amp myself, and thought it absolutely ripped. I also think that the new amp sounds quite similar to all the clips I've heard of older ones.... so there really shouldn't be many surprises in store for folks with these.

 

[Rogue]

Rogue- I'll try again, because there's obviously a lot going on here

Genuine question here, in all honesty; what type of gear do you like/play?

Much of what everyone here does. My gear is a DSL and an old focus 3000 frankenstein guitar. No great shakes for sure, but it gets me through the day.

That said, I'm awaiting the opportunity to pick up either a superlead or 2204, again...amps I sold and wished I still had.

I'm aware that you don't like anything Cameron or Axe Fx, and that's cool, but I'd honestly like some perspective.

What do you dig?

I don't mind the Cameron at all. I also think the AxeFX is easily the best modeller out there, perhaps lightyears beyond it's competitors. I had one and I didn't gell with it. I don't have a problem with that either, but I do get a kick out of the reationary AxeFX police, which apparently, they are joined by reactionary Cameron police.

I have said nothing bad about the Cameron at all. I've just said what every person that has jumped on me has said....it sounds better with post. Read it all with that in mind.

Now you tell me, WTF?

 

[Anonymous]

You're reading comprehension is poor. Did you read my post? I like listening to close-mic'd guitar sounds because I listen to them all the time when I record and I don't expect it to sound like the amp in the room or a produced clip. Most people who do not do a lot of recording will think they sound like shit

My reading comprehension is fine. I'm getting a gauge of your beliefs. So, with all hoopla, you LIKE listening to untouched post miced clips.

Tell me sah5150, do you like some closed miced clips more than others? Have you heard close miced clips that sound "good"? Let's get it on the table. Pretty simple questions.

A close mic'd speaker will never sound like the amp in the room. Every recorded guitar tone you've ever loved has been ambienced, EQ'd, mastered, etc. to either make it sound close, better or different than the amp sounded in the room. No recorded guitar tone you've ever loved was just a close mic'd speaker with no post.

You said that it was funny that people needed to add post to a close mic'd guitar clip to make it sound "good". That makes it clear you do not understand anything about recording guitars. It makes no sense, since that is what EVERy producer does...

No, I've never said ANYTHING about sounding like an amp in the room. That is all pontification on your part.

Look, here's the facts that for whatever reason you have a problem with...


I didn't think the clip was all the great. A few others didn't either.

Mark added some processes in post, to "make it better".

Someone commented on how that was awesome tone for anyone.

I said "yes, as long as you have enough stuff to get it wet enough." Even with a cute smiley face.


From their, it has went downhill. No one has criticized Mark or his technique, but for some reason, there has been a bunch of burrhurt over it.

From my brief interaction with you, I can tell that you are the kind of dude that can't just admit they made a mistake or said something dumb and move on. You'll keep twisting things, deflecting and digging and trying to prove that you didn't do what you did. I could answer you point by point as I have until now, but I see that will be fruitless... so I'm done

Once again, you said you find it funny that one would add post to a close mic'd guitar clip to make it sound "good", when that is what EVERY professional producer does and that is what you hear on every professionally recorded guitar tone you've ever worshipped. That was a dumb thing to say. You will never admit this though, because that is just how you operate. Continue to post and respond, but I have nothing more to say. I've said all that needs to be said and you will never hear it.

Steve

 

[Rogue]

From my brief interaction with you, I can tell that you are the kind of dude that can't just admit they made a mistake or said something dumb and move on. You'll keep twisting things, deflecting and digging and trying to prove that you didn't do what you did. I could answer you point by point as I have until now, but I see that will be fruitless... so I'm done

Once again, you said you find it funny that one would add post to a close mic'd guitar clip to make it sound "good", when that is what EVERY professional producer does and that is what you hear on every professionally recorded guitar tone you've ever worshipped. That was a dumb thing to say. You will never admit this though, because that is just how you operate. Continue to post and respond, but I have nothing more to say. I've said all that needs to be said and you will never hear it.

Steve

Don't leave yet, bud. I want you to answer these few questions...

Do you like some closed miced clips more than others? Have you heard close miced clips that sound "good"? Let's get it on the table. Pretty simple questions.

All you guys have jumped on me because I found it funny Mark took the original clip and once not everyone received it well, added some post effects to make it better. Fine, no problem. You can see the humour or not, I don't care.

It THEN turned into I don't know anything about recording and close mic speakers need post to sound good. That is what you guys are telling me. I am asking YOU, and anyone else here that has leveled these accusations at me if they have ever heard a close miced speaker with little or no post effects that they liked?

That is the core issue here, isn't it? Does a close miced speaker HAVE to have post added to sound "good"? My answer is no. Can it make it better? Sure. What's your answer SAH?

 

[ttosh]

Rogue- I'll try again, because there's obviously a lot going on here

Genuine question here, in all honesty; what type of gear do you like/play?

Much of what everyone here does. My gear is a DSL and an old focus 3000 frankenstein guitar. No great shakes for sure, but it gets me through the day.

That said, I'm awaiting the opportunity to pick up either a superlead or 2204, again...amps I sold and wished I still had.

I'm aware that you don't like anything Cameron or Axe Fx, and that's cool, but I'd honestly like some perspective.

What do you dig?

I don't mind the Cameron at all. I also think the AxeFX is easily the best modeller out there, perhaps lightyears beyond it's competitors. I had one and I didn't gell with it. I don't have a problem with that either, but I do get a kick out of the reationary AxeFX police, which apparently, they are joined by reactionary Cameron police.

I have said nothing bad about the Cameron at all. I've just said what every person that has jumped on me has said....it sounds better with post. Read it all with that in mind.

Now you tell me, WTF?

Not one thing said to you in a negative light has been about you not liking the clip. This seems very difficult for you to see and you seem tho want to make out look like that. However if you read through each post the issue is with your other comments. Maybe you see it differently, so be it. Not sure how else to explain if you don't get it by now your not going to. For the record my posts are not fanboy Cameron posts, you can review my posting history to see this. I do appreciate Mark and the time he takes to make clips for us, he does a great job and is a great player. Anyhow moving on......

 

[Mark Day]

i still want to hear one that sounds good, because if the question was directed at me: "Mark have you heard a good close miked dry, raw, no post clip that sounds good?" my answer is NO, I haven't......please someone show me one....anyone??

I want one without a $1000+ ribbon mic, one into a less than $1000 mic pre. Not one with a R121 Ribbon and multiple mics at various distances into Neve strips to analog tape.

Pretty please?


Mark

 

[Rogue]

i still want to hear one that sounds good, because if the question was directed at me: "Mark have you heard a good close miked dry, raw, no post clip that sounds good?" my answer is NO, I haven't......please someone show me one....anyone??

I want one without a $1000+ ribbon mic, one into a less than $1000 mic pre. Not one with a R121 Ribbon and multiple mics at various distances into Neve strips to analog tape.

Pretty please?


Mark

As I said, I don't keep a list, but when I hear something I know has been untouched, I'll send it to you immediately.

I will give you credit though for admitting you've never heard a close miced clip you liked.

Sah?

 

[Rogue]

Not one thing said to you in a negative light has been about you not liking the clip. This seems very difficult for you to see and you seem tho want to make out look like that. However if you read through each post the issue is with your other comments. Maybe you see it differently, so be it. Not sure how else to explain if you don't get it by now your not going to. For the record my posts are not fanboy Cameron posts, you can review my posting history to see this. I do appreciate Mark and the time he takes to make clips for us, he does a great job and is a great player. Anyhow moving on......

Alright then. Tell me where I crossed the line? The post, please

 

[oldmanmetal]

Needs the living on Frozen Pizza mod.

 

[jcj]

Rogue- I'll try again, because there's obviously a lot going on here

Genuine question here, in all honesty; what type of gear do you like/play?

Much of what everyone here does. My gear is a DSL and an old focus 3000 frankenstein guitar. No great shakes for sure, but it gets me through the day.

That said, I'm awaiting the opportunity to pick up either a superlead or 2204, again...amps I sold and wished I still had.

I'm aware that you don't like anything Cameron or Axe Fx, and that's cool, but I'd honestly like some perspective.

What do you dig?

I don't mind the Cameron at all. I also think the AxeFX is easily the best modeller out there, perhaps lightyears beyond it's competitors. I had one and I didn't gell with it. I don't have a problem with that either, but I do get a kick out of the reationary AxeFX police, which apparently, they are joined by reactionary Cameron police.

I have said nothing bad about the Cameron at all. I've just said what every person that has jumped on me has said....it sounds better with post. Read it all with that in mind.

Now you tell me, WTF?

Thanks for the clarification, I appreciate the reply.

Nothing wrong with a 2204 (or DSL for that matter).

I like the Axe Fx, as well as the Cameron stuff (along with tons of other shit), but don't belong to either police force

What works for me, works for me. I don't care enough to try and jam my opinion down anyone else's throat.

I think the reason you're catching a lot of shit, is that you DO seem to jump into threads involving stuff you don't dig, and have no issue expressing your thoughts (sometimes repeatedly) .

Eventually, that's bound to start the shit storm, and in this case, it might just be cumulative.

 

[glip22]

Mark, Dont sweat any of it. This is all good for Cameron amps publicity. When you do a Google search R_T and Cameron comes up. The people being negative are actually helping the amp line. Everyone knows a close micd clip without any post is not represenatative of an amp in the room and sounds like shit. This is why I stand away from my cab and off center. WTF? Did an influx of retards come over here lately.

 

[Atropos_Project]

i still want to hear one that sounds good

I'll take a stab at it this weekend

 

[Rogue]

Thanks for the clarification, I appreciate the reply.

Nothing wrong with a 2204 (or DSL for that matter).

DSLs are alright. They lack the magic of the older stuff though.

I think the reason you're catching a lot of shit, is that you DO seem to jump into threads involving stuff you don't dig, and have no issue expressing your thoughts (sometimes repeatedly) .

Eventually, that's bound to start the shit storm, and in this case, it might just be cumulative.

Yeah, I do. I'm not along though.

I poked a little fun at the OP, and the more general "like it wet" crowd. I was asked to produce my own clips, apparently because I didn't like the original clip from the OP. I never said it was "bad", by the way, just disappointing. I DID comment on the great playing though. Anyways, back on point, then it was suggested I didn't know what I was talking about with miced clips not sounding good. "fucking internet engineers" was one comment. Sah was suggesting I didn't have any experience with a miced speaker. I mean, BS was coming my way and that's when I made the butthurt comment. I never insulted anyone or insinuated that someone didn't know what they were doing before that point, yet that is what I was starting to receive.

Perhaps the butthurt comment was too much, but it sure seemed some where butthurt over it. Thin skins on the internet.

Here's the bottom line, I didn't like the original clip. It was alright, not great. I poked fun at post processing made it sound better (which every Tom Dick and Harry in this thread has agreed with). It was all down hill from there.

You're a pretty level headed, Matt Damon looking guy ( ), tell me, if this had been a DSL, or a Mesa or Bugera or something, do you think it would have went down this way? Honestly?

 

[Rogue]

Mark, Dont sweat any of it. This is all good for Cameron amps publicity. When you do a Google search R_T and Cameron comes up. The people being negative are actually helping the amp line. Everyone knows a close micd clip without any post is not represenatative of an amp in the room and sounds like shit. This is why I stand away from my cab and off center. WTF? Did an influx of retards come over here lately.

Who suggested a miced speaker sounds like an amp in the room? Can you track the down, please?

 

[shreder75]

man, I NEVER have any of these problems when I post a clip!
probably because I haven't posted one in years and in the off chance I do it goes largely ignored...hee heee!!!

but that's not important right now

 

[shreder75]

i still want to hear one that sounds good, because if the question was directed at me: "Mark have you heard a good close miked dry, raw, no post clip that sounds good?" my answer is NO, I haven't......please someone show me one....anyone??

I want one without a $1000+ ribbon mic, one into a less than $1000 mic pre. Not one with a R121 Ribbon and multiple mics at various distances into Neve strips to analog tape.

Pretty please?


Mark

do a forum search for vrad..you're bound to find a few dozen that fit into that category that sound pretty good...IMO opinion anyway =)