I did a REMIX of the Cameron CCV Video

[SwampDonkey]

Both clips sound wicked! I hope I get a chance to plug into one of these sometime.

 

[ttosh]

Not one thing said to you in a negative light has been about you not liking the clip. This seems very difficult for you to see and you seem tho want to make out look like that. However if you read through each post the issue is with your other comments. Maybe you see it differently, so be it. Not sure how else to explain if you don't get it by now your not going to. For the record my posts are not fanboy Cameron posts, you can review my posting history to see this. I do appreciate Mark and the time he takes to make clips for us, he does a great job and is a great player. Anyhow moving on......

Alright then. Tell me where I crossed the line? The post, please

Did I ever say you crossed a line? I simply stated the negative comments are not because you do not like the clip. You keep stating it is from fan boys like the Axe FX and because you do not like the clip you are being attacked. That is further from the truth and you keep deflecting. Just like asking me where you crossed the line when I never said you did.

 

[Anonymous]

i still want to hear one that sounds good, because if the question was directed at me: "Mark have you heard a good close miked dry, raw, no post clip that sounds good?" my answer is NO, I haven't......please someone show me one....anyone??

I want one without a $1000+ ribbon mic, one into a less than $1000 mic pre. Not one with a R121 Ribbon and multiple mics at various distances into Neve strips to analog tape.

Pretty please?


Mark

As I said, I don't keep a list, but when I hear something I know has been untouched, I'll send it to you immediately.

I will give you credit though for admitting you've never heard a close miced clip you liked.

Sah?

Sigh... still having a mis-directed conversation instead of just admitting your were wrong or said a dumb thing... as I said you would. I never understand this though... We all say dumb things. I've said them here and when I realized it after reflecting, or after having it pointed out to me, I owned up to it. The world would be a better place if more reflection took place and we really listened to what other's were telling us...

But... Ok, I'll play along one more time...

I enjoy listening to close mic'd clips when I record myself. I don't think they necessarily sound horrible, but for sure, they don't represent the amp sound in the room and I don't think any of them sound partcularly "good". Have I recorded some that sounded better than others? Yeah, but none of them sounded "good". Of course, this is irrelevant, because what I was calling you on was saying it was funny that someone would add post to a close-mic'd clip to make it sound good, when that is what is done to every professionally recorded guitar sound we've all loved. Saying that adding post is "funny" is dumb and has nothing to do with whether a given close mic'd sound was marginally better than another - this is just misdirection from what everyone is telling you...

However, I can see the potential in a close mic'd clip to create a killer sound through adding some room ambience, sometimes some EQ, some mastering, maybe even chorusing, etc... hey, maybe even double track them to thicken...

I have never recorded a close-mic'dloud, distorted amp clip I would ever post to represent an amp or a "killer recorded tone", because the vast majority of people would think that it sounded like shit and frankly, they don't sound "good" to me either.

Ok?

Steve

 

[ttosh]

Rogue, honestly if you want to take the negative side towards others postings you should expect to get it dished back at you. I know some of your posts were in jest, but you do this quite often. Some examples in this thread alone:

To Rezamatix: He liked the tone, you had to state: Assuming you have enough stuff to get it wet enough.

Your post "I find it innately humorous a clip was recorded and in order to "make it better" it had to have some post work done to it. I'd find that humorous form anybody with any amp, but even more so with the much anticipated CCV. I mean, come on, it's funny. "

You make sure to push the fact it is a CCV into the post to posture it as a big negative towards the amp. You act like post processing is humorous when it is pretty much industry standard, and make it come across as an educated person on recording with these comments. This probably is the reason Mark asked to hear your clips. If somebody can critique and comment on pre/post production and the results, then you must have clips and experience, otherwise you are just stating what you feel and have nothing to back it up. The not liking the clip is fine IMHO, but discussing the humor behind Marks attempt to make a bad/good clip or whatever each person thinks is in bad taste in my opinion. This is just how I see it, but it is like because the CCV is anticipated like the Axe FX II you have to take the alternate side to make sure you are not a fan boy, then use that to diss on others every chance you get.

Your comment "Wow. The butthurt surrounding the CCV has reached the level of butthurt surrounding the AxeFX. "

Up to that point I had not read anything that sounded like butthurt to me, thus you taking the opposite approach and trying to use this to your gain and deflect your initial statements.

After reading everything again I do realize a lot of what you said was in fun, and you did give some compliments to Mark and humbled yourself regarding your clips and playing. I really have no stake here, but just like the fan boys chime in on so many threads to make sure they get the point across it also works the anti fan boy way.

Again my main reason to even get involved is I like Mark and dig his playing. I think he was trying to give everybody what they want and because of factors out of his control and doing things that are against his normal process he got wrapped up into something that he was not 100% happy with so he worked on it to make it better. To give him grief over that is just innately humorous to me. I think some respect should be given to those who do have the experience in recording and playing as well as the time they put out to do so for those of us who do not.

Sorry, this is my last post on this. Mark thanks again for both clips and for the time you take to put yourself out there!!

 

[ttosh]

I need a hug from ttosh's avatar, everytime I see her, it's like mmmmmmmmmmmmm!!!

Who is she?


Mark

I am not sure what her name is, I got her on a fire sale at Tone Merchants. She was in the back corner next to the first CCV proto!!!

 

[Rogue]

Sigh... still having a mis-directed conversation instead of just admitting your were wrong or said a dumb thing... as I said you would. I never understand this though... We all say dumb things. I've said them here and when I realized it after reflecting, or after having it pointed out to me, I owned up to it. The world would be a better place if more reflection took place and we really listened to what other's were telling us...

But... Ok, I'll play along one more time...

I enjoy listening to close mic'd clips when I record myself. I don't think they necessarily sound horrible, but for sure, they don't represent the amp sound in the room and I don't think any of them sound partcularly "good". Have I recorded some that sounded better than others? Yeah, but none of them sounded "good". Of course, this is irrelevant, because what I was calling you on was saying it was funny that someone would add post to a close-mic'd clip to make it sound good, when that is what is done to every professionally recorded guitar sound we've all loved. Saying that adding post is "funny" is dumb and has nothing to do with whether a given close mic'd sound was marginally better than another - this is just misdirection from what everyone is telling you...

I see it like an artist posting artwork. Posting the picture online and when a few people say, "well, it's ok", saying, "well, wait, let me touch it up in photoshop right quick...there, how's that?"

Or if I put out an animation and someone says, "well, it's ok", then I say, "hold on, let me run it through After Effects real quick...there, how's that?."

That to me would be funny too. Not in a bust your gut laughing kind of way, just funny.

Had I ever said something to the effect of post processing is a cheat or doesn't make a difference then you would have a point. But I didn't. Had I said anything about an amp in the room, you would have a point. Had I ever said anything you are suggesting I said, you would have a point. In fact, I pointed out what all you guys are saying...wetter is better.

Perhaps it is you guys that are "misdirecting" here, coming to the conclusion I never actually said anything bad and now realizing a hyperreaction took place and now trying to minimize it by pointing to the one wrong you can find?

Perhaps? Naw, probably not.

Do you think this thread would have turned into what it did if it were a DSL, or Mesa, or Bugera that did the clip? Honestly ?

However, I can see the potential in a close mic'd clip to create a killer sound through adding some room ambience, sometimes some EQ, some mastering, maybe even chorusing, etc... hey, maybe even double track them to thicken...

I have never recorded a close-mic'dloud, distorted amp clip I would ever post to represent an amp or a "killer recorded tone", because the vast majority of people would think that it sounded like shit and frankly, they don't sound "good" to me either.

Alright. Cool.

 

[Greazygeo]

i still want to hear one that sounds good, because if the question was directed at me: "Mark have you heard a good close miked dry, raw, no post clip that sounds good?" my answer is NO, I haven't......please someone show me one....anyone??

I want one without a $1000+ ribbon mic, one into a less than $1000 mic pre. Not one with a R121 Ribbon and multiple mics at various distances into Neve strips to analog tape.

Pretty please?


Mark

I guess you don't like or listen to mine then. Might have a tiny bit of reverb and normalizing to get the levels up but that's normally about it.

 

[Anonymous]

i still want to hear one that sounds good, because if the question was directed at me: "Mark have you heard a good close miked dry, raw, no post clip that sounds good?" my answer is NO, I haven't......please someone show me one....anyone??

I want one without a $1000+ ribbon mic, one into a less than $1000 mic pre. Not one with a R121 Ribbon and multiple mics at various distances into Neve strips to analog tape.

Pretty please?


Mark

I guess you don't like or listen to mine then. Might have a tiny bit of reverb and normalizing to get the levels up but that's normally about it.

A tiny bit of reverb and normalizing goes a long way.

Steve

 

[Mark Day]

i still want to hear one that sounds good, because if the question was directed at me: "Mark have you heard a good close miked dry, raw, no post clip that sounds good?" my answer is NO, I haven't......please someone show me one....anyone??

I want one without a $1000+ ribbon mic, one into a less than $1000 mic pre. Not one with a R121 Ribbon and multiple mics at various distances into Neve strips to analog tape.

Pretty please?


Mark

I guess you don't like or listen to mine then. Might have a tiny bit of reverb and normalizing to get the levels up but that's normally about it.

Dude I love your clips!!!! A tiny bit of reverb and normalizing is perfectly normal and is necessary!!! However it is still post, n'est ce pas?

Mark

 

[Anonymous]

[I see it like an artist posting artwork. Posting the picture online and when a few people say, "well, it's ok", saying, "well, wait, let me touch it up in photoshop right quick...there, how's that?"

Or if I put out an animation and someone says, "well, it's ok", then I say, "hold on, let me run it through After Effects real quick...there, how's that?."

That to me would be funny too. Not in a bust your gut laughing kind of way, just funny.

If you can't see how different your artist analogy is to a an unproduced, close mic'd guitar clip (which is not a finished product - it is like the sketch outline of that artist's picture, BEOFRE they finished it), I can't help you. I can't relate to the animation analogy as I don't have the context to understand it.

Steve

 

[Atropos_Project]

Might have a tiny bit of reverb and normalizing to get the levels up but that's normally about it.

I wouldn't even label normalizing as actual post-processing, as far as this particular thread goes.

 

[Mark Day]

I see it like an artist posting artwork. Posting the picture online and when a few people say, "well, it's ok", saying, "well, wait, let me touch it up in photoshop right quick...there, how's that?"

No, I disagree and that's why this thread has gone south.
Since we are using analogies, I will put a take on your's:

I'm an Artist and I drew a portait of someone and I posted it on the net, folks in the art community said they wanted to see a face that was expressionless, so posted it without a mouth (against my better judgement). Everyone knows I always put a mouth on my head potraits, so I say, "ok I'm going to repost but this time with a mouth, because I always put a mouth on my faces and every other artist in my genre puts mouths on their facial portraits."
Then someone says the picture you first posted didn't look right and now your going to fix it by adding a mouth, that is funny. If the picture was any good to begin with, it wouldn't require a mouth.

A face is odd without a mouth and a guitar clip is odd without post. A face is normally with a mouth a clip is normally with some post even if it is just reverb and normalling.



Mark

 

[gibson5413]

man, I NEVER have any of these problems when I post a clip!
probably because I haven't posted one in years and in the off chance I do it goes largely ignored...hee heee!!!

but that's not important right now

You should post clips more often Matt. I remember your Quick Rod clips from about 6 years ago. Those were awesome. In fact, I remember your posts from the old days at the Institute of Noise (blast from the past).

 

[Mark Day]

Might have a tiny bit of reverb and normalizing to get the levels up but that's normally about it.

I wouldn't even label normalizing as actual post-processing, as far as this particular thread goes.

Normalizing occurs AFTER the recording process therefore it is POST PROCESSING.

Mark

 

[Anonymous]

Might have a tiny bit of reverb and normalizing to get the levels up but that's normally about it.

I wouldn't even label normalizing as actual post-processing, as far as this particular thread goes.

If it changed the sound at all it is post-processing. Normalizing would qualify to me. No one posts raw, "close-mic'd with an SM57" guitar clips without the slightest amount of processing because everyone would hate them because our ears have been conditioned to love the tones of our heroes, which were all processed in one way or another... I'm not talking about huge delays or chorus or flanging (although all those are just as valid) that more drastically alter the sound...

Steve

 

[shreder75]

man, I NEVER have any of these problems when I post a clip!
probably because I haven't posted one in years and in the off chance I do it goes largely ignored...hee heee!!!

but that's not important right now

You should post clips more often Matt. I remember your Quick Rod clips from about 6 years ago. Those were awesome. In fact, I remember your posts from the old days at the Institute of Noise (blast from the past).

you were on ION?!?!? (have we been though this before? It seems vaguely familiar actually..lol)

meh, I'm always thinking of new clips or vids but I really don't have a good recording setup...and I'm lazy...and nobody really seems to give two shits quite frankly..=)

 

[Rogue]

If you can't see how different your artist analogy is to a an unproduced, close mic'd guitar clip (which is not a finished product - it is like the sketch outline of that artist's picture, BEOFRE they finished it), I can't help you. I can't relate to the animation analogy as I don't have the context to understand it.

Mark didn't put the clip up as a work in progress.

He said he'll never post a clip again without all the post processing. Can't blame him. It seems a very sensitive subject. Alternatively, this thread wouldn't have been nearly as long.

To be honest, I have my doubts this mountain would have been created from this molehill if it had been some other amp.

 

[Anonymous]

If you can't see how different your artist analogy is to a an unproduced, close mic'd guitar clip (which is not a finished product - it is like the sketch outline of that artist's picture, BEOFRE they finished it), I can't help you. I can't relate to the animation analogy as I don't have the context to understand it.

Mark didn't put the clip up as a work in progress.

He said he'll never post a clip again without all the post processing. Can't blame him. It seems a very sensitive subject. Alternatively, this thread wouldn't have been nearly as long.

To be honest, I have my doubts this mountain would have been created from this molehill if it had been some other amp.

You are too much man! I'll give you credit, you can twist anything into meaningless bullshit... Kudos!

For the record, I don't care one way or another about the CCV. I like the way it sounds and I like the clips, but I won't see a dime whether it sells one or 10,000 and since, I no longer have one, I have no imaginary "forum cred" or "cameron cult status" to maintain... I haven't seen one person who has issue with what you've said defend the AMP itself in any way - that is all in your own mind 'cause you've got some issue with it or the company.

I'm still here because I just find your convoluted, ill-informed response amusing...

Steve

 

[Mark Day]

Mark didn't put the clip up as a work in progress.
To be honest, I have my doubts this mountain would have been created from this molehill if it had been some other amp.

I already said that to me it wasn't the way I do things, ever. So it was, in my mind, unfinished.

If you had said this about my OD100 or Egnater or AxeFx recordings I would have given you the exact same responses, so it's time to leave that train behind. It's not anything to do with the amp, it has to do with the recording process. Leave the Cameron, AxeFx bullshit somewhere else.

You will not find a single clip of mine using mics that doesn't have post invloved...not ONE! Even if I did it with an Edirol still has post. The only ones that don't have post are with a video camera and built in mic...because it has the benefit of using the room or bar or concert ambience.



Mark

 

[Anonymous]

man, I NEVER have any of these problems when I post a clip!
probably because I haven't posted one in years and in the off chance I do it goes largely ignored...hee heee!!!

but that's not important right now

You should post clips more often Matt. I remember your Quick Rod clips from about 6 years ago. Those were awesome. In fact, I remember your posts from the old days at the Institute of Noise (blast from the past).

you were on ION?!?!? (have we been though this before? It seems vaguely familiar actually..lol)

meh, I'm always thinking of new clips or vids but I really don't have a good recording setup...and I'm lazy...and nobody really seems to give two shits quite frankly..=)

I care...

I love clips!

Steve