I got temporary ban from TGP for the most pathetic reason.

[narad]

I don't know, man. Nothing about spending your days typing up posts of "how unusual it is to see a white high schooler do a record-setting sprint" onto a guitar forum screams "rock 'n roll" to me.

 

[JimAnsell]

you could always add "Man, i haven't seen white people move that fast, since Detroit 1968! (year of the race riots where white people left the city in masses)".



Race is a touchy subject for guilty white libs. I have no cognitive dissonance about who i am, or my feelings towards other races, so i don't carry that same guilt. i feel like an observation or humor based on cultural, or physical stereotypes isn't offensive as long as the demeanor isn't hate filled or violent.

More and more people (especially young people) seem to think that being offended puts them in a position of power over you, so they LOOK for things to pick apart and being offended by in order try and put themselves on a pedestal to talk down to you and discredit you.

 

[narad]

Oh look it’s nartard back to give us his pseudo-intellectual 2 cents. Dude, you are the biggest hypocrite, regularly participating in the political section on SS.org. And you tattletale to the “super douche” moderators to ban people you can’t tolerate because your nartard feelings gets hurt.

I'm not a hypocrite for talking politics in the politics section of a forum while simultaneously telling people they shouldn't talk politics on a forum whose rules state "NO posts about politics or religion allowed!". Forums are privately owned and they have rules - learn how to read and follow them, and you won't get banned (often). It's super simple stuff. Did you guys not have parents or school or something?

 

[narad]

Oh look it’s nartard back to give us his pseudo-intellectual 2 cents. Dude, you are the biggest hypocrite, regularly participating in the political section on SS.org. And you tattletale to the “super douche” moderators to ban people you can’t tolerate because your nartard feelings gets hurt.

I'm not a hypocrite for talking politics in the politics section of a forum while simultaneously telling people they shouldn't talk politics on a forum whose rules state "NO posts about politics or religion allowed!". Forums are privately owned and they have rules - learn how to read and follow them, and you won't get banned (often). It's super simple stuff. Did you guys not have parents or school or something?

Whatever you say Mark Zuckerberg. SS.org political discussion is left leaning tolerant, or you’re banned for “trolling” by the left leaning super douch moderators. It’s super simple stuff you know. So you get to spew left leaning ideologies while *laughing* behind your computer screens and banning those with which you don’t agree with. That’s what’s going on here nartard.

So yes you are a hypocrite. As long as the rules apply in your favor it’s all good isn’t it? Scold others for their free speech while having safe space political discussions in a musical forum you frequent 24/7.

It is obviously left-leaning. Still, I've never seen anyone banned for anything short of a personal attack or racist comment. Those are the rules, they apply to everyone. The problem is that the type of person who would make an account solely for the purpose of posting weirdo right-wing conspiracy nonsense on a guitar forum (i.e., you) is also precisely the kind of person that's inclined to make personal attacks and racist comments. I mean, you couldn't even make it through one post without insulting me so is it surprising you can't last there?

I mean, rig-talk is obviously right-leaning, but it's only like 5 guys on here that are like rabid don't-talk-anything-but-politics wackos that literally use the word "clinton" more than "guitar" or "amp". Everyone else on here is cool and would get along just fine over there, but I guess they have better things to do than go out of their way spending their days posting alt-right shit memes on a left-leaning guitar forum.

 

[stephen sawall]

 

[crankyrayhanky]

I’m going with Religious
Seems existential-ish
?

 

[thisguy]

I got banned for my signature. Yes the same one I am using here. I think I removed one word. Anyone care to guess if it is racist or religious ?

Acts 7?

 

[some dude]

More and more people (especially young people) seem to think that being offended puts them in a position of power over you, so they LOOK for things to pick apart and being offended by in order try and put themselves on a pedestal to talk down to you and discredit you.

I think it’s because in real life a conversation keeps rolling along, while on they internet someone can spend an hour or two picking apart the meaning of each individual word in something you posted haphazardly at 3am three days ago.

Next thing you know you’re stuck defending some comment you don’t even care about for the entertainment value.

 

[kurtsstuff2003]

Getting banned on TGP is a rite of passage. If you haven't been banned at least once, you're doing it wrong.

This!!
Although I've never been banned that I can remember ....got a warning once or twice! I just think it's silly nowadays trying to have conversations over the web on a white screen where 99.99% of everything can and will be taken out of context for lack of human interaction in said conversation. That's my take on it anyways..

 

[Ventura]

Danyeo... Still got your Eventide t-shirt, btw... Thanks.

And FWIW, I've never once been a member at TGP. Ever. I've only heard of weird upper-crusty corksniffery types over there, so I figured, why go into that joint when I can enjoy my time with my kinda folk here at RT. Ain't nothing wrong with talking about booteek gear and playing it and such, but political correctness has just gotten way over-the-top. For everything. Sorry, but - I'd just walk and forget about it.

To each their own

 

[Monkey Man]

Amen to that, brother.

Ha, everyone gets banned on TGP and runs over here to whine about it, yet every single case is like, ~"I tried to start talking about race/politics/conspiracy/boobs on a guitar forum".

It's pretty hard to be or talk "rock 'n roll" without ever letting one of those topics slip out the ol' cake hole, innit?

Guitar-oriented forums ought to be a lot more flexible practically by-definition, especially if there's a bunch of rockers as members. Classical guitar, maybe not so much, but R&R? Definitely, IMHO.

I don't know, man. Nothing about spending your days typing up posts of "how unusual it is to see a white high schooler do a record-setting sprint" onto a guitar forum screams "rock 'n roll" to me.

I hear you man.

I was referring to the general principal you outlined in the preceding post 'though. Rockers tend to have firm(!) ideas about politics, conspiracies and boobs and it doesn't usually take much to set them off. That's 3 out of the 4 subjects you mentioned.

Hopefully you get where I'm coming from.

 

[Flavatrocious]

Errr which way is this thread going... Racist or TGP hate club?

On another note, If a gay guy did a drive by, would it be considered a fruit roll up?

 

[narad]

I hear you man.

I was referring to the general principal you outlined in the preceding post 'though. Rockers tend to have firm(!) ideas about politics, conspiracies and boobs and it doesn't usually take much to set them off. That's 3 out of the 4 subjects you mentioned.

Hopefully you get where I'm coming from.

Yea, I get it. I just feel like there's places that cater a bit more to "rock n' roll" values / mindset (RT, I think Steel Panther has something setup, etc.). It's obvious right-out that TGP isn't one of them, so why are people surprised when they try to push it, against the rules, and get banned? You know, read the room. TGP has the atmosphere of PTA meeting, not a strip club, and you don't get to go to a parent-teacher conference for a kid at elementary school with a sex, drugs, and rock n' roll attitude.

But moreover, why do people get banned, call the forum snowflakes, and then post here crying about it lol That's like the most snowflake thing I can think to do in the online guitar forum world. Stop being so sensitive, and serve your time -- it's not like you can't still read the forum anyway.

 

[Monkey Man]

Yup. Totally get you man.

I s'pose RT provides an opportunity to vent about and laugh at TGP's super-PC attitood, and I understand and expect this, really. I mean, it's not as if these peeps can vent this stuff over there.

 

[thiswaythatway]

I’m curious of what the purpose of your original post was? Are you a track enthusiast? Or just fishing to start shit

I posted in the Pub section which is an off topic forum, and yes kinda follow track because I ran in my youth. And how exactly is my post “fishing to start shit” ?

 

[thiswaythatway]

I don't know, man. Nothing about spending your days typing up posts of "how unusual it is to see a white high schooler do a record-setting sprint" onto a guitar forum screams "rock 'n roll" to me.

Once again, it was in the PUB section. People go on there and talk about their divorce, rehab, dead friends, brag about their money, etc.

 

[EXPcustom]

I know I've told this story before but maybe the new guys haven't heard about my temporary TGP ban for making "racist" comments.

I started a thread complaining about buckle rash on the backs of guitars and how hard is it not to play with your shirt untucked or just find a smaller belt buckle.

I then made a comment about how I won't buy guitars from Ireland because the people there have buckles on their belts, shoes and hats.

Some dude from Ireland reported me. It was clearly posted as a joke and even the mod that banned me said it was not up to him I was reported by someone who was very "offended" by my remark and took it personally.

 

[Spaceboy]

You made a dumb comment on a board known to be ban-happy. You made the bed.

 

[Monkey Man]

It wasn't ban-happiness on the part of the mods in this "rare" instance 'though; it was reporting by a professional victim.

What with all the full-time offence-takers out there, it's damned-near-impossible not to offend someone these days. This OTT-PC attitude has spawned a not-for-profit industry / pastime for many millions the world over.

It ain't free speech if one's afraid to open one's mouth, I reckon, and I'm sure we've all met folks who've been tempted to go this way if we haven't ourselves. Fear of stuffing up such a basic-and-important activity in life affects one's personality and is dangerous, IMHO.

The big question for me, and this has been the case for many years already, is just how far will the majority allow this to go. IOW, how long will it put up with it?

 

[dm426]

Yea, I get it. I just feel like there's places that cater a bit more to "rock n' roll" values / mindset (RT, I think Steel Panther has something setup, etc.). It's obvious right-out that TGP isn't one of them, so why are people surprised when they try to push it, against the rules, and get banned? You know, read the room. TGP has the atmosphere of PTA meeting, not a strip club, and you don't get to go to a parent-teacher conference for a kid at elementary school with a sex, drugs, and rock n' roll attitude.

I take issue with your characterization of what goes on at TGP. If people got busted for “pushing against the rules” in sub-forums where it isn’t welcome or appropriate, then actions from the mods can hardly come as a surprise.

But I don’t believe that’s what most people are talking about when they complain about TGP. The simple fact is that TGP’s moderation policies are draconian or way too sweeping in scope, and enforced in the most haphazard and laughably inconsistent manner imaginable. If people start hijacking plexi threads by interjecting diatribes on race relations, or napalming Led Zeppelin threads with lectures on immigration policy, or Brexit, or Trump, then they’re going to get smacked and rightly so. But WAY too often it’s a case of people making relatively innocent comments in the course of normal human conversation, and then having every word retroactively parsed by the morality police, not for the sake of keeping discussions organized and civil, but for sake of control.

I used to like TGP, but from where I sit the reality is the place is just rife with a mob of sniveling, pusillanimous social justice warriors masquerading as guitar enthusiasts. And all too often, they’re just looking for an excuse to report someone in order to ingratiate themselves with what is apparently a group of moderators who are manifestly unsuited to the task.

I’ve bought and sold, managed, and been a founding admin of some of the largest forums on the Internet and have about 20 years experience training moderators and writing Terms of Use policies. And I know from years of bitter experience just how thankless and frustrating a task moderating a large forum is. I’m protective of my own moderators because I know the s*** they have to put up with. Having said that, TGP’s policies are nonsensical, haphazardly enforced, and generally counter-productive. And the moderators appear to have been allowed to morph into control freaks with an agenda rather than a helpful part of the community.

I know what it’s like to battle trolls — REAL trolls — on the Internet, and I know it’s no fun. I’ve been cursed at, threatened with legal action, and even had a producer track me down and call me on my home phone to demand I ban a bunch of people who were pissing him off by posting honest reviews of his products that he didn’t appreciate. Had advertising pulled from one of my sites because I pissed off a big computer game company by allowing people to post unflattering user reviews. The point is, I’ve been there and done that.

The people running TGP are where I was about ten years ago or so, and I still had a lot to learn back then. I eventually came to understand that the free exchange of ideas — even outrageous or offensive ones — is what Internet forums are all about. Sunlight is the best disinfectant, meaning when people say outrageous things, which they will, the best thing to do is to leave their stupidity up there for the whole world to see. It’s sort of ugly, like making sausage, but in my experience it beats the hell out trying to tell other people what they can say and what they can’t.

Yes, there are limits, and every forum has to have rules. But those rules work best when they’re based on giving members the benefit of the doubt and promoting the free exchange of ideas, not attempting to play Reichsführer of the Internet.