Is there a gate better/faster than the Zuul+?

[FourT6and2]

Thanks....good to know.

I've always wanted a zuul but the key being so confusing for me and talks of needing a secondary pedal for that function to work just made it much less appealing to me.

I know you can bypass that with the zuul + but then for me whats the point if I already have a good gate.

Yes, on the regular Zuul, you need a splitter of some sort to utilize 4 cable method. That's part of the reason the Zuul+ was released. But I find there's a time and a place for either design. If I want a gate out in front of the amp to kill hum/buzz or feedback from the guitar, a simple Zuul works great for me. Don't need the extra features of the Zuul+.

 

[S̷͖͑m̵͎͂á̵̺s̸͚̈́h̴̬̑]

What is complicated with the key input on a Zuul+? It's no different than any other gate that can utilize 4CM.

Guitar goes into the pedal (key in). Key out goes to amp. Amp fx loop send goes to gate input. Gate output goes to amp fx loop return. You don't need to call it a "key input". Just call it "guitar in" if that makes you feel warm and safe at night.

I never really got confused by either method. But there were a ton of people that were. I don't think Dan was one of them.

But for the rest of the people that may not understand four cable, a better way to say it is the sensing portion (key) should be your first in line from guitar so it isn't sensing any weird shit.

The "loop" of the pedal in should be the last of your pedals going into it if running before the amp, and then the out of the loop would go into the amp.

If you were running the gate portion in your loop, then the sensing portion obviously stays the same, but your zuul would go in the loop before time based effects but after any other pedals like eq or boost

 

[DanTravis62]

What is complicated with the key input on a Zuul+? It's no different than any other gate that can utilize 4CM.

Guitar goes into the pedal (key in). Key out goes to amp. Amp fx loop send goes to gate input. Gate output goes to amp fx loop return. You don't need to call it a "key input". Just call it "guitar in" if that makes you feel warm and safe at night.

I didn't say it was complicated for me, everyone just complains about it - i wouldnt buy a fortin product in the first place lol

 

[FourT6and2]

I never really got confused by either method. But there were a ton of people that were. I don't think Dan was one of them.

But for the rest of the people that may not understand four cable, a better way to say it is the sensing portion (key) should be your first in line from guitar so it isn't sensing any weird shit.

The "loop" of the pedal in should be the last of your pedals going into it if running before the amp, and then the out of the loop would go into the amp.

If you were running the gate portion in your loop, then the sensing portion obviously stays the same, but your zuul would go in the loop before time based effects but after any other pedals like eq or boost

I just think about it as if the "key" portion of the gate (in 4CM) is the gate's trigger. The gate itself is the input/output. So if you want the gate in an amp's loop to kill noise from the amp, but you don't want to kill sustain/sensitivity, and you also want to gate hum from the guitar at the same time, you want the gate to be triggered by the guitar's signal, not the amp's signal.

 

[Inflames]

I actually stopped using zuuls. I have a decimator x g-string. And while it has to be turned up way more to kill same noise as the zuul, it has completely natural sustain and decay.

Your comment makes me GASing Decimator X G-string. I have Revv G8 right now and I prefer this to Zuul+. Zuul+ was dead silent. However, I couldn't get pinch harmonics with Zuul+ even thrashhold 10 to 11 O'clock. It sucked lots of tone. Maybe it was users error.

 

[S̷͖͑m̵͎͂á̵̺s̸͚̈́h̴̬̑]

Your comment makes me GASing Decimator X G-string. I have Revv G8 right now and I prefer this to Zuul+. Zuul+ was dead silent. However, I couldn't get pinch harmonics with Zuul+ even thrashhold 10 to 11 O'clock. It sucked lots of tone. Maybe it was users error.

I tried a lot of gates. And if is by far the most natural that I have tried. Honestly, it isn't even close.