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He's not perfect of course not.. but a hell of a lot better than what was before him in he current climate. His hand is also forced on oil so regardless of what he wrote in a book a decade ago, he has got to serve the interests of the nation now. We are now exporting more natural gas so that's already a win. Mineral deals as well.

As for China, people seem to forget that the States essentially made the same deal for soy. What we have done for grains is exactly what the USA has done. That is huge for agriculture out west and a major win. Trade deals with China aren't handing them TS material. That happens because we have too many foreign born members of parliament who are clearly compromised in all major parties. Chinese EV's represent a huge opportunity and we are only letting in 50K to start. Why wouldn't we try to get manufacturing of Chinese EV's in Ontario anyway? No brainer.. oil and gas going up, EV's mean savings at the moment and we are investing huge in the power grid. EV's still suck for long distances but I have one now for local driving and hard to beat on the savings. 1/4 of the price of gas IF that. As for chinese cars "listening" to you.. probably no different than the NSA. Pretty sure with all the components in today's cars, if the Chinese wanted to, they could listen to you sing along to hair nation while you drive to work in your Ford F-150.
Because Chinese EVs are rolling death machines for the occupants, other drivers on the road and any occupants of nearby garages where they are parked. They spontaneously combust in numbers that dwarf those of Tesla and other EVs.
 
Well I love America. Always have. Since I was a kid. Especially now since I haven't recognized my own country in over a decade. And it's only getting worse with our new PM.
Our dollar sucks, national identity is eroded, housing and food crisis, gun confiscations, open border immigration, native reconciliation pandering & land acknowledgment, blocked & stalled oil industry projects, the MAID program... I could go on. I'm 46 and if it doesn't get better in the next 10 years then Id like to retire in the States if I could.

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What's weird is I'm in the states, almost the same age as you, and at this stage with the way things are going I'm hoping to get the hell out of the western hermisphere within ten years provided I can put the gold nuggets together.
 
He's not better than Trudeau he's worse. The agriculture trades are garbage. The one with India expires at the end of the year. Canola oil isn't even in the deal! Only seed. And it expires!
Electric cars don't work in Canada. It's a failed industry already. Honda, among others have canceled manufacturing plans for them. They cancelled the mandate for zero gas vehicles by 2035 too. I won't drive one. Especially in the winter. Carney loves them because he and his companies green grift see to benefit billions in eco power generators and electric vehicles.
Selling LNG? Lol Canada just bought LNG from Australia last week! The ship had to go under South America and up the Atlantic to Nova Scotia to make it to port! Makes no sense! A pipeline should be built on the West Coast to supply Asia! But Carney won't allow it!
Carneys personal business investments are 91% located in the US. He has only 5% of his holdings invested in Canada. His wife and kid don't live in Canada. They live in the US. Carney does not care about Canada or Canadians. He can't even bare to attend parliament on a weekly basis and has literally been run out of the building on four separate occasions! He slipped out the back door during session!

I don't think anyone could be worse than Trudeau personally. The trades are a start, let's see what happens by year's end. Also, Chinese tech is coming with longer range batteries and solid state batteries and 5-7 min charge is coming. Comparable to gas. In the winter though, no question, my EV sucks. You do get range anxiety if you have to rely on it for long distances but it's a sweet ride and no brainer for city driving. Like it or not, it's coming.. they will build out the network and increase the range and people will start to go to it. For right now though, I am likely going plugin hybrid when my gas SUV is done. Best of both worlds but unfortunately more vehicle maintenance. That's the other thing with EV's, savings on oil changes etc. It all adds up. As for exploding EV's.. yes the fires are pretty wild when they are involved in crashes. I keep a glass breaker in the vehicle as EV's are known for locking up ( especially Teslas). Always good to have a plan.

Where Carney's holdings are concerned.. if you invest in index funds or ETF's/ mutual funds, there is a good chance over half of your holdings invested in U.S funds or sectors. Nothing wrong with that, biggest economy in the world. I get into this all the time with my conservative buddies..they keep repeating the same thing about Carney not caring about Canadians etc... popular talking points. But he has had 1 year in the world Trump has shaped and created. Would anyone really be able to work for Canadians and deliver any quicker in that climate? Doubtful. As for being a communist, we'd be stupid to posture and not look to sign deals with the Chinese. If Carney doesn't pan out by next election, I have no problem voting conservative. But i honestly don't think they will be able to do any more. ( except maybe tackle the crime more efficiently)
 
I don't agree with much of any of that, Carny is a world banker. He doesn't simply have consolidated mutual finds like some suburban pensioner. lol He owns specific shares and holdings in specific companies in the sectors directly linked to the projects, policies and trade deals he's attempting to acquire.
But it really doesn't matter. Pierre absolutely destroyed on Joe Rogan and a lot of Libs and swing voters have come out saying they didn't realize how badly they were lied to about Pierre by the media and Liberal government.
Plus, Avi Lewis is looking to run away with the NDP leadership and is a very popular figure right now. This will pull a significant amount of left voters away from the Libs, and the Cons will win the next election.

I think "destroyed" on Rogan is the wrong word. I listened and really enjoyed it because he did exactly what we should hope for. Seemed "normal". Didn't want to get into slinging mud, rather be productive, even as the opposite party. I can't remember if he mentioned it on the podcast, or if I had read it somewhere adjacent to it that when he and Carney spent some time together because of the Tumbler Ridge shooting they were able to see each other as competition to be appreciated rather than attacked. That is the sort of thing that made Canada (and America) great, was being able to discuss differences in opinion as civil humans, not like people just trying to dunk on each other.

Everyone talks about how the internet has made people shitty, but we all continue on down the path rather than correct.

That is a cool huge wall of guitars! Of course it is a Long & Mcquade, who are unfortunately becoming a monopoly in Canada. That's where you really see how little interest there is in becomig a musician these days. A city like London Ontario (population 350-ish thousand) used to have a half dozen different GOOD instrument shops, where now there is just a L&M north and south, some guy who sells shit at a weekend market, and one good shop in the outskirts. (Oxbow Audio for anyone in the area)
 
I think "destroyed" on Rogan is the wrong word. I listened and really enjoyed it because he did exactly what we should hope for. Seemed "normal". Didn't want to get into slinging mud, rather be productive, even as the opposite party. I can't remember if he mentioned it on the podcast, or if I had read it somewhere adjacent to it that when he and Carney spent some time together because of the Tumbler Ridge shooting they were able to see each other as competition to be appreciated rather than attacked. That is the sort of thing that made Canada (and America) great, was being able to discuss differences in opinion as civil humans, not like people just trying to dunk on each other.

Everyone talks about how the internet has made people shitty, but we all continue on down the path rather than correct.

That is a cool huge wall of guitars! Of course it is a Long & Mcquade, who are unfortunately becoming a monopoly in Canada. That's where you really see how little interest there is in becomig a musician these days. A city like London Ontario (population 350-ish thousand) used to have a half dozen different GOOD instrument shops, where now there is just a L&M north and south, some guy who sells shit at a weekend market, and one good shop in the outskirts. (Oxbow Audio for anyone in the area)

I just heard yesterday that a local store that's been around for decades is closing. There's not much left around here other than L&M. 🙁
 
Well I love America. Always have. Since I was a kid. Especially now since I haven't recognized my own country in over a decade. And it's only getting worse with our new PM.
Our dollar sucks, national identity is eroded, housing and food crisis, gun confiscations, open border immigration, native reconciliation pandering & land acknowledgment, blocked & stalled oil industry projects, the MAID program... I could go on. I'm 46 and if it doesn't get better in the next 10 years then Id like to retire in the States if I could.
No you do not—@ZEEGLER already spoke for all of Canada earlier in this thread. He knows all apparently, just ask him lol

Canada needs more Canadians and fewer ‘migrants’.
 
No you do not—@ZEEGLER already spoke for all of Canada earlier in this thread. He knows all apparently, just ask him lol

Canada needs more Canadians and fewer ‘migrants’.

And I absolutely agree with you. We have more than enough immigrants. We need to make it affordable for Canadians to have children rather than importing people who don't speak English. I also think we need to walk the gun laws back about 10-15 years. We also need less cousin-fuckers who want to be Americans.
 
And I absolutely agree with you. We have more than enough immigrants. We need to make it affordable for Canadians to have children rather than importing people who don't speak English. I also think we need to walk the gun laws back about 10-15 years. We also need less cousin-fuckers who want to be Americans.
By cousin fukkers do you mean a specific ‘migrant’ demographic? I’m pretty sure they are way more into siblings?

Rather that mock your brethren, maybe you should work with them to accomplish the 2 things you just mentioned. It’s not necessary to personally “like” your leaders, man. I’m fine with a complete asshat at the helm as long as he is getting things done for my country. Which would explain my last 3 votes in Presidential elections
 
By cousin fukkers do you mean a specific ‘migrant’ demographic? I’m pretty sure they are way more into siblings?

Rather that mock your brethren, maybe you should work with them to accomplish the 2 things you just mentioned. It’s not necessary to personally “like” your leaders, man. I’m fine with a complete asshat at the helm as long as he is getting things done for my country. Which would explain my last 3 votes in Presidential elections

You don't have to necessarily like your leaders, but you have to at least believe them to be competent.

Also, any Canadian saying they want to become American deserves to be mocked, mercilessly.
 
You don't have to necessarily like your leaders, but you have to at least believe them to be competent.

Also, any Canadian saying they want to become American deserves to be mocked, mercilessly.
This is going OT so I’m out but remember the 2 things we agree on—in the US one candidate supports those initiatives completely and so far all of his opposition has vehemently opposed both. So for many of us it is a binary decision. Most of us know Trump is a blowhard and makes facepalm worthy statements regularly…but we don’t have to go to dinner with him so in the end that doesn’t really matter
 
This is going OT so I’m out but remember the 2 things we agree on—in the US one candidate supports those initiatives completely and so far all of his opposition has vehemently opposed both. So for many of us it is a binary decision. Most of us know Trump is a blowhard and makes facepalm worthy statements regularly…but we don’t have to go to dinner with him so in the end that doesn’t really matter

This is so true of politicians in general.

Sort of locally, Rob Ford is a great example as the former mayor of Toronto. Smoked crack, etc. while in office, but was as productive as a mayor as anyone else basically in my lifetime.

Within reason, I don't care what people do in their spare time as long as they function where society needs them. Of course I don't want to say "well this serial killer has great policies", but you know what I mean.

If it could be "true", you could almost eliminate politicians altogether and just have people vote on every issue and have the decisions made that way, but it doesn't really work that way.
 
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On a weight loss challenge and caught eating buckets of chicken. Rob Ford was the best mayor of Toronto. Olivia Chow is now the mayor of Toronto.



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This is going OT so I’m out but remember the 2 things we agree on—in the US one candidate supports those initiatives completely and so far all of his opposition has vehemently opposed both. So for many of us it is a binary decision. Most of us know Trump is a blowhard and makes facepalm worthy statements regularly…but we don’t have to go to dinner with him so in the end that doesn’t really matter

You have to decide on the lesser of two evils. Yes, it would be nice to repeal our latest draconian gun laws, and to curb the excessive flow of immigrants (which Carney seems to have already done), but there are many other, more important issues at play that supersede my own selfish desires. Giving up my AR15 isn't gonna ruin my life. It just pisses me off because the overwhelming majority of gun crime here is committed using illegal guns that are smuggled in from south of the border. Punishing legal, responsible gun owners is not going to reduce gun crime at all.

In my opinion, Pollievre is not a competent leader, by a long shot. He appeals to the xenophobic, racist, sexist, Christian demographic, and that's all they understand. He's all slogans with no answers, no plans, no solutions.

Also, the inability and unwillingness to collaborate and work together is the entire reason the cousin fuckers talk about joining the US. Things aren't going their way, so it's time to pout and throw your toys out of the pram. Pathetic.

A giant part of the problem here is the us versus them mentality, and it is prevalent on both sides. So many people vote solely based on their team, and don't understand the issues, or even know their candidates platform beyond the most basic talking points. I honestly believe that political parties need to be banned and all candidates should be independent. I don't know, there's probably all kinda reasons why it wouldn't work, but the party system sure doesn't seem to be working anymore.
 
Man this thread turnt into some kind of northern mn town hall meeting. I feel like I'm in Northhome right now.
 
I don't agree with much of any of that, Carny is a world banker. He doesn't simply have consolidated mutual finds like some suburban pensioner. lol He owns specific shares and holdings in specific companies in the sectors directly linked to the projects, policies and trade deals he's attempting to acquire.
But it really doesn't matter. Pierre absolutely destroyed on Joe Rogan and a lot of Libs and swing voters have come out saying they didn't realize how badly they were lied to about Pierre by the media and Liberal government.
Plus, Avi Lewis is looking to run away with the NDP leadership and is a very popular figure right now. This will pull a significant amount of left voters away from the Libs, and the Cons will win the next election.
He didn't destroy at all. But he did finally sound like a normal person. It was his own fault for taking on a persona that was not likable and he still has a long way to go for us to see who the REAL Pierre is. Will he fall back to attack dog that barks everything without a realistic solution? Or stay on this path? Also don't forget Joe didn't really challenge him on anything, he was allowed to talk common sense without having to demonstrate " how" he could make anything happen. Saying get rid of all tariffs isn't revolutionary, it is a no $hit Sherlock statement. Problem is, big man on campus loves tariffs so that's a non starter.

I think it was good for his image but it will take more than Rogan to pull votes. Don't forget Pierre also hurt himself when he tried to replicate the Trump Fake News/MEDIA approach that everyone loved in the US.Didn't fly here and that is on him.
 
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