Metallica dissing aside.... Load/Reload have some.....

[Heritage Softail]

If change = sellout, then all who fail to progress are in trouble.

It is funny that as time passed my musical tastes in listening and playing have changed. The Chang has been somewhat similar to what Metallca has done. It has never crossed my mind to call myself a sellout!

Bands and people change over time. Like they are owned by anyone anyway!

They have lots of great songs, and so do the B-52's...

 

[spirit7]

Exactly! It seems that a few people are too young here to realise it, but the Black album was a big sell out. They are completely lost ever since. Metallica, and the whole thrash movement in the 80's, was about being rebellious, anti-disco etc. I remember James saying "kill the posers", "f*ck the music business" and stuff like that. Guess what, load/reload are the ultimate poser albums! Go figure. I wish them all the money in the world, but as a fan from the first hours, I really can't see how you would like load/reload and would be into the old-school period as well. And yes, we were short sighted back in the day, haha.

Well if anything, all that silly feather boa stuff in the 90s was just a rebellion against the hardcore 80s thrash fans that are stuck in the 1980s. Metallica just do whatever the fuck they want, even against their own kind. Just because a band may start off in a particular musical genre, doesn't mean they have to stay in that musical genre. Good music is not defined by a particular genre.

Limiting yourself to please your audience is bullshit- that is selling out.

"Expanding your horizons" but writing terrible music is even worse!

Metallica are irrelevant.

-C

 

[Soundguy213]

I think the reposter missed my point a little. I'm not calling the Black Album their "sell out" record. I always laughed at that term because anyone here would take the big money contracts to make sure their life was comfortable and they can do and write music for a living, even if it meant writing more business friendly music.

Honestly, the only thing a little different on the black album is they used a bit more verse/chorus/verse songwriting approach. The songs are good, the drums sound huge, James has some of his best tone on that album and theres actually a bass to be heard. Whats not to like?

Everyone just says its a "sell out" album because Enter Sandman caught the general publics ear and all of a sudden you seen everyone liking Metallica. The metal head type dudes who always felt that music was "their thing" got upset that other types of people liked it now, and it felt cheapened to them.

The reason i say the black album is was the death of them is because of the insincere way they went about qualifying the change in sound and songwriting approach that they wanted to make. Of course all musicans change. Who wants to write the same album over and over again? Progression is want keeps us practicing.

The furs and boa wearing thing i use because its just an easy thing to point out the silly gimmick they were trying to harness. But there was a ton of other things that they were saying to people to appease their worries that the older metallica wasn't dead. They did a lot dodging questions they didn't want to answer and really tried to play off that 90's grunge, depressed bullshit.

I think that it would have been much better received if they were just straight and honest with their fans. "Hey, we really don't have anything new to bring to the table with the metal stuff, so were are trying this out now because, as artists, this is what we need to do to be fulfilled"

Sorry for the long post, but i feel that i was taken completely out of context. I'm not bashing them. They are one of the reasons i started playing guitar. I don't feel like they "sold out" or think they are a horrible band now. They are actually amazing players and musicians. I did, however lost a ton of respect for them since the Black Album. It changed how i look at them as a whole. I could be totally off base but that's how i feel.

 

[Jakem]

Exactly! It seems that a few people are too young here to realise it, but the Black album was a big sell out. They are completely lost ever since. Metallica, and the whole thrash movement in the 80's, was about being rebellious, anti-disco etc. I remember James saying "kill the posers", "f*ck the music business" and stuff like that. Guess what, load/reload are the ultimate poser albums! Go figure. I wish them all the money in the world, but as a fan from the first hours, I really can't see how you would like load/reload and would be into the old-school period as well. And yes, we were short sighted back in the day, haha.

Well if anything, all that silly feather boa stuff in the 90s was just a rebellion against the hardcore 80s thrash fans that are stuck in the 1980s. Metallica just do whatever the fuck they want, even against their own kind. Just because a band may start off in a particular musical genre, doesn't mean they have to stay in that musical genre. Good music is not defined by a particular genre.

Limiting yourself to please your audience is bullshit- that is selling out.

"Expanding your horizons" but writing terrible music is even worse!

Metallica are irrelevant.

-C

Irrelevant?

 

[Nitrobattery]

for some reason, even though I LOVE the old metallica, and I love Death Magnetic, I feel metallica would do a lot better writing Hard rockish tunes like Load/Reload from now on. They really have that groove down and it doesn't feel so "stiff" compared to the newer stuff which although great, you can feel they're trying too hard to stay "HEAVY"

IF James would only stay in the load/reload vein

I kind of agree. These guys guys are pushing 50 and in a comfortable place in their lives. When I listen to Death Magnetic it feels forced...like it was a conscious effort to try to sound like they used to...and in a lot of places it just ended up sounding silly. I'd be much more interested in hearing a Metallica album that was true to the point in their lives that they are in now.....be it metal, rock, or bluegrass. I love those old albums for what they are, and there are a million bands out now that are heavier and more technical than Metallica ever was. If I want heavy the world is my oyster. That's never why I listened to Metallica though. They're incredible songwriters and that has translated between the different genres they've morphed between over the years. If the next album was all in the vein of Bleeding Me and Low Man's Lyric, I'd enjoy it a lot more than Death Magnetic and St. Anger. Hell, aside from Lou Reed, Lulu had some killer hooks and grooves.

 

[polaris20]

Exactly! It seems that a few people are too young here to realise it, but the Black album was a big sell out. They are completely lost ever since. Metallica, and the whole thrash movement in the 80's, was about being rebellious, anti-disco etc. I remember James saying "kill the posers", "f*ck the music business" and stuff like that. Guess what, load/reload are the ultimate poser albums! Go figure. I wish them all the money in the world, but as a fan from the first hours, I really can't see how you would like load/reload and would be into the old-school period as well. And yes, we were short sighted back in the day, haha.

Well if anything, all that silly feather boa stuff in the 90s was just a rebellion against the hardcore 80s thrash fans that are stuck in the 1980s. Metallica just do whatever the fuck they want, even against their own kind. Just because a band may start off in a particular musical genre, doesn't mean they have to stay in that musical genre. Good music is not defined by a particular genre.

Limiting yourself to please your audience is bullshit- that is selling out.

"Expanding your horizons" but writing terrible music is even worse!

Metallica are irrelevant.

-C

So irrelevant in fact that they keep selling out places when they play, decades after they've formed.

 

[Hemi113]

I like St Anger...

 

[crankyrayhanky]

I don't mind 'sell out' or changing /progressing your music....if it's done well and executed with passion. There's a clear increase in clinical and a decrease in passion right around he same time they made boatloads of cash. Hard rock/metal doesn't sound quite the same when you are comfortable

 

[Anonymous]

To me the Black album was the last Metallica album. Load was just that, a lod of crap IMHO. They're not the same band.

thank you.

wasn't a huge fan of them, liked AJFA...after black..i went back! lol....and just totally absorbed everything.

now....it's like heavy pop/outlaw country/light metal to me. which, hell, they're metallica, they can do what they want. it's just not for me.... so, my approach is to just listen for different guitar tones/textures and mixing.

 

[Anonymous]

I haven't intentionally listened to them in a very long time. I really wanted to catch one of the Fillmore dates for posterity. i would have treasured that experience seeing them up there with all those people. I'm very much of the opinion that their best days are behind them. Considering I have never seen them live, I really feel the urge to do it as I can't imagine they have much mileage left. Sucks that it will have to be with that douchebag crab walker Rob instead of Cliff or even Jason. They should make that guy play behind a wall.

Load and Reload were complete garbage IMO. Watered down Black Album material. How can Unforgiven II be considered creative?

omg, trudildo! he and gurrgggg from mudvayne sparked a whole nother genre of metal....crab core...

we are the craaaaab people...craaaab people.... craaaaab people....(south park)

im not even bothering looking up a crab core link. fuckin gay.

 

[glassjaw7]

Those albums ultimately destroyed that band (or maybe the Black album did?) but I agree, Load was super impressive for the most part a great hard rock album with James' strongest vocals. I just wish it would've been a brief departure and that they would've gone back to the "real" Metallica right after. They need to hang it up now IMO.

 

[metalmaniac93]

The BLACK album was the turning point for Metallica. While I really like the BLACK album, LOAD/RELOAD was not a step in the right direction even though there are a handful of good songs between both. St. Anger blew major chunks!!! Death Magnetic is definitely a good CD, but they will never be the same band they used to be prior to 1991!!!

 

[Heritage Softail]

Why do people say they should quit playing?

Like anyone has the right to tell some else to stop playing, especially when they sell tens of thousands of tickets per show.

I didn't like St Anger though. Threw that disc out my car window.

Great live band. Millions of people agree. So hate on..

 

[steve_k]

The BLACK album was the turning point for Metallica. While I really like the BLACK album, LOAD/RELOAD was not a step in the right direction even though there are a handful of good songs between both. St. Anger blew major chunks!!! Death Magnetic is definitely a good CD, but they will never be the same band they used to be prior to 1991!!!

Of course not. They are 20 years older.

 

[blackba]

Why do people say they should quit playing?

Like anyone has the right to tell some else to stop playing, especially when they sell tens of thousands of tickets per show.

I didn't like St Anger though. Threw that disc out my car window.

Great live band. Millions of people agree. So hate on..

+1 I agree. I would rather have Metallica still going than alot of other bands that are out there now. Death Magnetic was solid, IMO, even though I hated the clipping.

 

[spanny]

I think the main reason those albums get to much smack is because its from Metallica. if it were any other band in that hard rock (not metal) genre, it would have gone over much better. That being said, I dont think it holds a candle to their first 4 albums, but for a hard rock album not bad.

 

[steve_k]

I thought Death Magnetic was a kick ass recording.

 

[metalmaniac93]

The BLACK album was the turning point for Metallica. While I really like the BLACK album, LOAD/RELOAD was not a step in the right direction even though there are a handful of good songs between both. St. Anger blew major chunks!!! Death Magnetic is definitely a good CD, but they will never be the same band they used to be prior to 1991!!!

Of course not. They are 20 years older.

While of course they will never be the same as before since they are in a different stage of their lives, but age should not hinder musical creativity and being able to rock like the old days. Should their newer stuff sound like the old stuff. No, it should not but they are frikin Metallica!! Testament and Anthrax are recording great music that is heavy with great riffs, etc, so age is not a factor. On that note, Death Magnetic is a very good CD and a step in the right direction, but I do also do not like the recording quality.

 

[D-Rock]

I thought Death Magnetic was a kick ass recording.

Me too, I loved it's raspy, sharp edged guitar sound.

 

[rocknrolla]

Jaymz' net worth is somewhere around $173,000,000.
Yup, he should quit because he suck so bad.