Michael Nielson agrees with me: the FTT Flight Time is the best delay pedal ever created

[DanTravis62]

Is it expensive? Yes.

Is it complicated? Yes.

Does it sound like god? Ohhhh yes.

Does it look like the cockpit of a jet fighter from top gun? Also yes.

Michael Nielson joins me, @itsgoodnow , and a few others in the chad FTT Flight Time enjoyer club

 

[VonBonfire]

Digital?

Hard pass.

 

[DanTravis62]

Digital?

Hard pass.

Low T take

Digital and analog delays are completely different animals with completely different sounds, for completely different purposes.

That's like saying "Wagyu steak? I'll pass. I only eat caviar."

If it sounds good it is good

 

[thegame]

Does it do ducking delay ala TC 2290?

 

[VonBonfire]

Low T take

Digital and analog delays are completely different animals with completely different sounds, for completely different purposes.

That's like saying "Wagyu steak? I'll pass. I only eat caviar."

If it sounds good it is good

That's my point, digital always leaves behind audible artifacts in the higher register, rendering those nice low od/edge of breakup tones harsher than they need to be which is why I've never kept any digital pedals, amazing as they might've otherwise been.

 

[DanTravis62]

Does it do ducking delay ala TC 2290?

Yep, that's the main selling point.

Does it sound exactly like a 2290? No, but it's damn close. Closer than the 2290 pedal TC made. And it's super robust, functional, 1500 dollars cheaper, and in a easy to use pedal format.

It's not a direct drag and drop replacement for a 2290 but it's as close as you're going to get without full size components.

 

[DanTravis62]

That's my point, digital always leaves behind audible artifacts in the higher register, rendering those nice low od/edge of breakup tones harsher than they need to be which is why I've never kept any digital pedals, amazing as they might've otherwise been.

They are completely different styles of pedal dude

That's great that you prefer analog delays but they aren't even in the same zipcode

That's like saying "808? No thanks, ill take a metal zone." Great???

 

[VonBonfire]

They are completely different styles of pedal dude

That's great that you prefer analog delays but they aren't even in the same zipcode

That's like saying "808? No thanks, ill take a metal zone." Great???

What's a completely different style of pedal? The pedal you linked is a digital box.

You can think what you want but the holes in the digital game all show thru in the higher register. It's inherent, and unavoidable. Glad you like it though. *shrugs

 

[DanTravis62]

What's a completely different style of pedal? The pedal you linked is a digital box.

You can think what you want but the holes in the digital game all show thru in the higher register. It's inherent, and unavoidable. Glad you like it though. *shrugs

Digital delays and analog delays. They sound completely different. They are meant to be used for a completely different effect. Both completely viable.

That's like saying you prefer a Dodge Ram to a Dodge Viper, because you can't carry your gear in the Viper.

Yeah, no shit??

 

[VonBonfire]

Digital delays and analog delays. They sound completely different. They are meant to be used for a completely different effect. Both completely viable.

That's like saying you prefer a Dodge Ram to a Dodge Viper, because you can't carry your gear in the Viper.

Yeah, no shit??

It doesn't negate the artifacts that are audible and inherent in the high register with digital boxes. Readily apparent when you are standing in front of a cranked tube amp. Why someone would voluntarily butcher a good tube tone up with one of those is beyond me but it's their rig, not mine. I guess if you are already using some digital dog shit amp slathered in a ton of gain it doesn't really matter so maybe you have made a small point.

 

[DanTravis62]

It doesn't negate the artifacts that are audible and inherent in the high register with digital boxes. Readily apparent when you are standing in front of a cranked tube amp. Why someone would voluntarily butcher a good tube tone up with one of those is beyond me but it's their rig, not mine. I guess if you are already using some digital dog shit amp slathered in a ton of gain it doesn't really matter so maybe you have made a small point.

They simply aren't the same effect, or even used for the same purpose man

That's great if you don't like them, but pretending they are even supposed to do the same thing as an analog delay is like saying "No I don't need compression just made it louder"

It's just kind of dumb take

 

[VonBonfire]

They simply aren't the same effect, or even used for the same purpose man

That's great if you don't like them, but pretending they are even supposed to do the same thing as an analog delay is like saying "No I don't need compression just made it louder"

It's just kind of dumb take

I'm not talking about compared to an analog delay, that's something you brought up. I never mentioned anything about analog delay. I'm talking about digital effects units wrecking a good tube tone. The end.

 

[DanTravis62]

I'm not talking about compared to an analog delay, that's something you brought up. I never mentioned anything about analog delay. I'm talking about digital effects units wrecking a good tube tone. The end.

That is one TGP ass take

It's analog dry-thru, dude

All the higher end big delays are

 

[VonBonfire]

It's analog dry-thru, dude

Oh wow now I'm convinced.

It's just a fact, so I guess youre reduced to trying to belittle me. Digital don't work good in the high register. Go fight acoustic science if you don't like it.

 

[bhuard75]

Its so good even my keyboard player uses it.

 

[thegame]

Apparently @VonBonfire doesn’t believe in outer space or parallel FX loops

 

[DanTravis62]

Oh wow now I'm convinced.

It's just a fact, so I guess youre reduced to trying to belittle me. Digital don't work good in the high register. Go fight acoustic science if you don't like it.

You realize that the whole difference between an analog delay and a digital delay soundwise is that digital actually accurately replicates the high end of the signal, and analog has a warm, degraded darker roll off? Like that's why they are considered such different animals as guitar effects?

I just want to make sure were clear on that before we go back down the "digital ruins the high end" road, because the sound analog delay pedals are quite literally famous for is degrading and distorting, muddifying the signal in a pleasing, musical way.

Apparently @VonBonfire doesn’t believe in outer space or parallel FX loops

I'm not even remotely mad, this is one of the most hilarious @VonBonfire takes i've heard in a while

 

[VonBonfire]

I just want to make sure were clear on that before we go back down the "digital ruins the high end" road, because the sound analog delay pedals are quite literally famous for is degrading and distorting, muddifying the signal in a pleasing, musical way.

You keep making a comparison I didn't draw and then acting like I did so that you can maintain some sort of foothold here. My observation is a general one....you're paying a lot of money for a digital box that ruins the high end of a good tube tone.

You're arguing against a factual shortcoming of any digital box whether delay, reverb, etc etc. BTW I've owned a digitally driven delay but not an analog one, which is why I commented to begin with. It was a hybrid with the analog dry signal and digital chip for the delay effect. It was just as I have described all digital boxes. Obvious failure in the high end. Anyways, all that matters is you're happy and that nielson agrees with you. I wasn't, and don't agree with anyone who says otherwise.

 

[DanTravis62]

You keep making a comparison I didn't draw and then acting like I did so that you can maintain some sort of foothold here. My observation is a general one....you're paying a lot of money for a digital box that ruins the high end of a good tube tone.

You're arguing against a factual shortcoming of any digital box whether delay, reverb, etc etc. BTW I've owned a digitally driven delay but not an analog one, which is why I commented to begin with. It was a hybrid with the analog dry signal and digital chip for the delay effect. It was just as I have described all digital boxes. Obvious failure in the high end. Anyways, all that matters is you're happy and that nielson agrees with. I wasn't, and don't agree with anyone who says otherwise.

Naw man, the reason I keep harping on it because what makes analog delays sound like analog delays is literally that they degrade the high end

surely you can understand why that sounds absolutely ridiculous when you say

you're paying a lot of money for a digital box that ruins the high end of a good tube tone.

When the entire point of an all analog delay is.... to ruin the high end of a good tube tone in a pleasing way


Does that make sense?

 

[Rackman]

Yep, that's the main selling point.

Does it sound exactly like a 2290? No, but it's damn close. Closer than the 2290 pedal TC made. And it's super robust, functional, 1500 dollars cheaper, and in a easy to use pedal format.

It's not a direct drag and drop replacement for a 2290 but it's as close as you're going to get without full size components.

I guess the analog headroom and general analog block quality would be the primary issue.

Looks like the headroom is 9dBu lower than a 2290 (or Eclipse), so already