My AxeFx is having me consider selling my amps

[RedB4Black]

I'm just concerned that the Axe FX simulations will seem docile compared to the real deal, such an Uberschall or Fireball.

It's not. I currently own a Herbert and an Uberschall and have had several ENGLs (SE, PB, FB). The Axe can hang. I'd be happy if I only had that and a Fryette power amp (I have the 2/50/2 and just got a 2/90/2).

 

[Digital Jams]

I'm just concerned that the Axe FX simulations will seem docile compared to the real deal, such an Uberschall or Fireball.

It's not. I currently own a Herbert and an Uberschall and have had several ENGLs (SE, PB, FB). The Axe can hang. I'd be happy if I only had that and a Fryette power amp (I have the 2/50/2 and just got a 2/90/2).

It that considered the hcaf holy grail ?

 

[RedB4Black]

I'm just concerned that the Axe FX simulations will seem docile compared to the real deal, such an Uberschall or Fireball.

It's not. I currently own a Herbert and an Uberschall and have had several ENGLs (SE, PB, FB). The Axe can hang. I'd be happy if I only had that and a Fryette power amp (I have the 2/50/2 and just got a 2/90/2).

It that considered the hcaf holy grail ?

What month is it?

 

[cliffc8488]

The Uber model isn't too bad in boosted mode. The Fireball model is CRAP! If you don't believe me read more about it on the Fractal Forum... For the most part they agree...

It doesn't have a Fireball model.

 

[Digital Jams]

 

[blackba]

Wow, what a thread.

I am just wondering how long it will be before Behringer/Bugera comes up with their version of the Axe-Fx. That will certainly generate some talk

When I see the Axe-Fx, I wonder if Keyboard players had the same reaction when digital keyboards came out (IE hard to tweak, complicated, doesn't sound as good). I have been on a number of keyboard forums and haven't seen this sort of thing, just makes me wonder how the Axe-Fx will be viewed in 5 or 10 years. I own 3 keyboards and don't own an Axe-Fx, though I probably will at some point when I have the time to devote to it....

 

[Jack Napalm]

The Uber model isn't too bad in boosted mode. The Fireball model is CRAP! If you don't believe me read more about it on the Fractal Forum... For the most part they agree...

It doesn't have a Fireball model.

So, for the most part people on the Fractal Forum don't know what they don't like?

 

[tweed]

The Uber model isn't too bad in boosted mode. The Fireball model is CRAP! If you don't believe me read more about it on the Fractal Forum... For the most part they agree...

It doesn't have a Fireball model.

 

[squealie]

OK then what is the "Energyball" model modeled after???

SHORYUKEN!!!

 

[rsm]

I had an Ultra for several months, sounded great into my guitar amp/cabs and FRFR but was ovekill for my needs.

Regarding the live vs. home/recording tweaking, why not create a set of presets for home/recording (low volume use), copy these into new locations and dial them in at practice/live volumes? I tweak the tone settings on my tube amps according to the volume, do the same on some effects too...and I have a soft set and matching loud set of presets on my ToneLab LE. This way you don't have to do mad tweaking each time you go from one volume level environment to another...unless you ran out of preset locations to use?

I will add that I found myself constantly tweaking the Ultra. I always thought I could get things to sound better, and it was my pilot error to blame, so I kept tweaking and tweaking and tweaking... it is fun, but you can spend a great deal of time doing this if you aren't careful.

 

[cliffc8488]

The Uber model isn't too bad in boosted mode. The Fireball model is CRAP! If you don't believe me read more about it on the Fractal Forum... For the most part they agree...

It doesn't have a Fireball model.

OK then what is the "Energyball" model modeled after??? A Powerball right? Close enough... Still sounded like shit...

Okay, you win. You didn't like the product. Let it go...

 

[johnnyjellybean]

I'm picking my Ultra up tomorrow at the "NYC" amp show

 

[Spaceboy]

I'm just concerned that the Axe FX simulations will seem docile compared to the real deal, such an Uberschall or Fireball.

It's not. I currently own a Herbert and an Uberschall and have had several ENGLs (SE, PB, FB). The Axe can hang. I'd be happy if I only had that and a Fryette power amp (I have the 2/50/2 and just got a 2/90/2).

I was planning on the 2/90/2 myself. I'm trying to decide between an Axe FX or Dual Recto/Uberschall in stereo really. The Axe has more tools, needs less gear, will be a good tool for addition for the home studio, and not to mention it's lighter.

 

[mortega76]

My Axe-fx has been both the best (fw 7.xx and above) and worst (fw 6.xx and below)"amp" I've ever used or heard... Granted, I have never owned any tube amp... But I've heard plenty of bad sounding tube amps... Honestly, I can only ever remember ever hearing one tube amp that sounded amazing in a live situation... If I remember correctly it was a Marshall amp... I didn't see it up close but I'm guessing it was the JVM. Anyhow... I love the Axe-fx because it's an all-in-one unit that only requires (in my setup) four cables... One midi, one guitar and two speaker cables. No hassle!!! And (since firmware 7.xx) it has huge balls on stage... I haven't head any other live musician's setup sound more brutal than my setup.

P.S. Cliff, since you're here can you please tell me why the heck I was banned from the FA forum? (without any kind of warning via email...)

 

[Diezels]

I have two very amazing amps (a cameron overhauled Bogner XTC and a Friedman Kitchen Sink Marshall), but I have to say that my axefx ultra is making me wonder if I will even have use for them any longer.

Makes me wonder where the haters are coming from (or if they have ever even played one)!

Here's the thing...No one wants to admit or even consider that their ears are not great. But I want you to consider it for a moment--even though that would be insane

Compare your real amps to the AXE modeled amps on low string chugging. NO PEDALS. Record a run on your low E string.

The reason I say no pedal is AXE has a pedal solid state sound. This is why many people rave about it. Lets face it...a huge number of players use pedal in front on their amps and like that solid state sound they add.

Of course they will NEVER admit its adds that..they'll just say it enhances the tubes and some other nonsense. But the fact is they take what the tube is contributing to the low strings--which is fat spread out harmonics--and they negate that effect so the tube does NOT give on those notes(exactly as solid state does.)

So make comparison clips of your low strings. You will hear the AXE sound like it has a pedal in front. It will be very crisp--a very stringy sound--no spitting and no noise---way too clean. Now listen to the real amp...it will be much more spread out and the notes will give and have a bit of mush in them. There will be a spitty sound with a grit noise--like some of the harmonics are spitting out. Thats the sound of tubes. Many people just dont know what they are hearing and make all sort of grandiose statements without ever considering there ARE people who know exactly what tubes sound like and how far AXE is from them.

AXE high gain amps are extremely abrasive, almost static sounding, solid state sound. They compare that sound to many of the tones they love--but never consider those are NOT good tube sounds--they are bands that use pedals or compression in front.Yes, I believe they are a much improved SS sound with excellent presence and tonal qualities--but very little actual TUBE quality--and I think the things it does well fools people into overlooking what its does completely wrong.

Posts like mine and other wouldnt even have to be made if people were balanced and educated in their posts---but thats not what we have have. We have things like this is BETTER than the real amp..or you cant tell the difference. NO YOU cant tell the difference. So because you cant hear it...we are haters !!!! Thats the AXE users answer to everything...we are insane. We'll we're not the ones saying its better than the real amp it models(which is a new paradigm for vocabulary and the definition of REAL)--its like saying" I can fill a full glass of water more fuller than full".

All Im saying is show a little wisdom AXE users. Deliberate before you make such outlandish claims and accusations about doubters . Do some freakin tests on what tubes actually sound like and what compression and pedals do to low notes and you'll see you've got Rich Little doing an impression of Johnny Carson. It may fool you-- but I know Johnny Carsons voice

 

[Anonymous]

I have two very amazing amps (a cameron overhauled Bogner XTC and a Friedman Kitchen Sink Marshall), but I have to say that my axefx ultra is making me wonder if I will even have use for them any longer.

Makes me wonder where the haters are coming from (or if they have ever even played one)!

Here's the thing...No one wants to admit or even consider that their ears are not great. But I want you to consider it for a moment--even though that would be insane

Compare your real amps to the AXE modeled amps on low string chugging. NO PEDALS. Record a run on your low E string.

The reason I say no pedal is AXE has a pedal solid state sound. This is why many people rave about it. Lets face it...a huge number of players use pedal in front on their amps and like that solid state sound they add.

Of course they will NEVER admit its adds that..they'll just say it enhances the tubes and some other nonsense. But the fact is they take what the tube is contributing to the low strings--which is fat spread out harmonics--and they negate that effect so the tube does NOT give on those notes(exactly as solid state does.)

So make comparison clips of your low strings. You will hear the AXE sound like it has a pedal in front. It will be very crisp--a very stringy sound. Now listen to the real amp...it will be much more spread out and the notes will give and have a bit of mush in them. Thats the sound of tubes. Many people just dont know what they are hearing and make all sort of grandiose statements without ever considering there ARE people who know exactly what tubes sound like and how far AXE is from them.

AXE high gain amps are extremely abrasive, almost static sounding, solid state sound. They compare that sound to many of the tones they love--but never consider those are NOT good tube sounds--they are bands that use pedals or compression in front.Yes, I believe they are a much improved SS sound with excellent presence and tonal qualities--but very little actual TUBE quality--and I think the things it does well fools people into overlooking what its does completely wrong.

Posts like mine and other wouldnt even have to be made if people were balanced and educated in their posts---but thats not what we have have. We have things like this is BETTER than a real amp..or you cant tell the difference. NO YOU cant tell the difference. So because you cant hear it...we are haters !!!! Thats the AXE users answer to everything...we are insane. We'll we're not the ones saying its better the real amp it models(which is a new paradigm for vocabulary and the definition of REAL)--its like saying" I can fill a full glass of water more fuller than full".

All Im saying is show a little wisdom AXE users. Deliberate before you make such outlandish claims and accusations. Do some freakin tests on what tubes actually sound like and what compression and pedals do to low notes and you'll see you've got Rich Little doing an impression of Johnny Carson. It may fool you-- but I know Johnny Carsons voice

Hey thanks for straightening that out for all of us pedal abusing, tone deaf dipshits! Really appreciate it!

Steve

 

[J.B.]

I have two very amazing amps (a cameron overhauled Bogner XTC and a Friedman Kitchen Sink Marshall), but I have to say that my axefx ultra is making me wonder if I will even have use for them any longer.

Makes me wonder where the haters are coming from (or if they have ever even played one)!

Here's the thing...No one wants to admit or even consider that their ears are not great. But I want you to consider it for a moment--even though that would be insane

Compare your real amps to the AXE modeled amps on low string chugging. NO PEDALS. Record a run on your low E string.

The reason I say no pedal is AXE has a pedal solid state sound. This is why many people rave about it. Lets face it...a huge number of players use pedal in front on their amps and like that solid state sound they add.

Of course they will NEVER admit its adds that..they'll just say it enhances the tubes and some other nonsense. But the fact is they take what the tube is contributing to the low strings--which is fat spread out harmonics--and they negate that effect so the tube does NOT give on those notes(exactly as solid state does.)

So make comparison clips of your low strings. You will hear the AXE sound like it has a pedal in front. It will be very crisp--a very stringy sound. Now listen to the real amp...it will be much more spread out and the notes will give and have a bit of mush in them. Thats the sound of tubes. Many people just dont know what they are hearing and make all sort of grandiose statements without ever considering there ARE people who know exactly what tubes sound like and how far AXE is from them.

AXE high gain amps are extremely abrasive, almost static sounding, solid state sound. They compare that sound to many of the tones they love--but never consider those are NOT good tube sounds--they are bands that use pedals or compression in front.Yes, I believe they are a much improved SS sound with excellent presence and tonal qualities--but very little actual TUBE quality--and I think the things it does well fools people into overlooking what its does completely wrong.

Posts like mine and other wouldnt even have to be made if people were balanced and educated in their posts---but thats not what we have have. We have things like this is BETTER than a real amp..or you cant tell the difference. NO YOU cant tell the difference. So because you cant hear it...we are haters !!!! Thats the AXE users answer to everything...we are insane. We'll we're not the ones saying its better the real amp it models(which is a new paradigm for vocabulary and the definition of REAL)--its like saying" I can fill a full glass of water more fuller than full".

All Im saying is show a little wisdom AXE users. Deliberate before you make such outlandish claims and accusations. Do some freakin tests on what tubes actually sound like and what compression and pedals do to low notes and you'll see you've got Rich Little doing an impression of Johnny Carson. It may fool you-- but I know Johnny Carsons voice

Hey thanks for straightening that out for all of us pedal abusing, tone deaf dipshits! Really appreciate it!

Steve

 

[Digital Jams]

Oh man another whole level has been reached

 

[tweed]

I have two very amazing amps (a cameron overhauled Bogner XTC and a Friedman Kitchen Sink Marshall), but I have to say that my axefx ultra is making me wonder if I will even have use for them any longer.

Makes me wonder where the haters are coming from (or if they have ever even played one)!

Here's the thing...No one wants to admit or even consider that their ears are not great. But I want you to consider it for a moment--even though that would be insane

Compare your real amps to the AXE modeled amps on low string chugging. NO PEDALS. Record a run on your low E string.

The reason I say no pedal is AXE has a pedal solid state sound. This is why many people rave about it. Lets face it...a huge number of players use pedal in front on their amps and like that solid state sound they add.

Of course they will NEVER admit its adds that..they'll just say it enhances the tubes and some other nonsense. But the fact is they take what the tube is contributing to the low strings--which is fat spread out harmonics--and they negate that effect so the tube does NOT give on those notes(exactly as solid state does.)

So make comparison clips of your low strings. You will hear the AXE sound like it has a pedal in front. It will be very crisp--a very stringy sound--no spitting and no noise---way too clean. Now listen to the real amp...it will be much more spread out and the notes will give and have a bit of mush in them. There will be a spitty sound with a grit noise--like some of the harmonics are spitting out. Thats the sound of tubes. Many people just dont know what they are hearing and make all sort of grandiose statements without ever considering there ARE people who know exactly what tubes sound like and how far AXE is from them.

AXE high gain amps are extremely abrasive, almost static sounding, solid state sound. They compare that sound to many of the tones they love--but never consider those are NOT good tube sounds--they are bands that use pedals or compression in front.Yes, I believe they are a much improved SS sound with excellent presence and tonal qualities--but very little actual TUBE quality--and I think the things it does well fools people into overlooking what its does completely wrong.

Posts like mine and other wouldnt even have to be made if people were balanced and educated in their posts---but thats not what we have have. We have things like this is BETTER than the real amp..or you cant tell the difference. NO YOU cant tell the difference. So because you cant hear it...we are haters !!!! Thats the AXE users answer to everything...we are insane. We'll we're not the ones saying its better than the real amp it models(which is a new paradigm for vocabulary and the definition of REAL)--its like saying" I can fill a full glass of water more fuller than full".

All Im saying is show a little wisdom AXE users. Deliberate before you make such outlandish claims and accusations about doubters . Do some freakin tests on what tubes actually sound like and what compression and pedals do to low notes and you'll see you've got Rich Little doing an impression of Johnny Carson. It may fool you-- but I know Johnny Carsons voice

You're that dude at my shows standing there with your arms crossed the entire time aren't ya....

 

[spawnofthesith]

We should all be infinitely greatful that this man has been so gracious and imparted such wisdom upon all us foolish rig-talkers!