NAD - More KT88s.... Fryette Deliverance D60II

[RedB4Black]

Matt, have you tried 6550s in any of the thirty three D60s you've owned? The first D60 I owned had 6550s in it when I got it, JJ, and I thought it was amazing. I might order some to try in this one.

never tried 6550s in a Fryette. Well I guess my PS100 has them

i have a quad of Svetlana 6550s that I can try. I did like how they sounded in my KT150 MTL

 

[LPMojoGL]

never tried 6550s in a Fryette. Well I guess my PS100 has them

i have a quad of Svetlana 6550s that I can try. I did like how they sounded in my KT150 MTL

That clip sounded great. I've always wanted to try a D60. I think I would like it a bit more than the Sig X.

 

[Tone Monster]

I had the D120 way back when. Huge amp. Liked it a lot. Seems like a poor man’s Wizard MC. The mids are just a bit too neutral sounding. There’s not enough zing. Huge and open though 100%. Just always wanted more character. Hope I’m not too far off base.

 

[braintheory]

I had the D120 way back when. Huge amp. Liked it a lot. Seems like a poor man’s Wizard MC. The mids are just a bit too neutral sounding. There’s not enough zing. Huge and open though 100%. Just always wanted more character. Hope I’m not too far off base.

I’ve not tried the 120, but that was similar to what I thought about the Pittbull UL I had and the D60 and Pittbull CL I’ve tried

Although big, punchy and open, they somehow always seemed to me like there was something in them holding back a bit, like it could’ve growled more and had more sizzle/bite in the highs, idk. Like the Wizard’s, the growl on chords wasn’t as complete as I like to hear. Still very nice amps though and were a ton of amp for the money. Haven’t kept up with their prices for years now though

 

[MetalHeadMike]

I had the D120 way back when. Huge amp. Liked it a lot. Seems like a poor man’s Wizard MC. The mids are just a bit too neutral sounding. There’s not enough zing. Huge and open though 100%. Just always wanted more character. Hope I’m not too far off base.

How I felt about the D120 Series II. Never played the OG D120, but the II seemed very neutral and lacked character. Too open with very little saturation. That amp was dark too until you cranked treble presence up high and then it just sounded brittle to me.

 

[Techdeth]

I sold mine like a dumbass

 

[hopkinWFG]

I have the last few years of small production masterbuild of the probably last or last few of the older D120... i should have gotten the D60 as am only a bedroom player... but the amp turns out to be too loud for me... i cant simply escape with reasonable fart volume.. it sound fizzy... till i turn up abit further and it sound just right... i am wanting a PS100 soon...

 

[LPMojoGL]

I have the last few years of small production masterbuild of the probably last or last few of the older D120... i should have gotten the D60 as am only a bedroom player... but the amp turns out to be too loud for me... i cant simply escape with reasonable fart volume.. it sound fizzy... till i turn up abit further and it sound just right... i am wanting a PS100 soon...

I felt like that with the SigX. Turns out a THD Hotplate was the fix. Not only did it knock down the dbs, but it also worked well tonewise with that amp. I liked what it did, compared to not caring for a HP with a Marshally amp. That might be the ticket for the D120. Or you could just pass it on to another forum dude!

 

[Devin]

Matt, have you tried 6550s in any of the thirty three D60s you've owned? The first D60 I owned had 6550s in it when I got it, JJ, and I thought it was amazing. I might order some to try in this one.

I preferred mine with (ValveArt) 6550's as well. When I first got the amp, one of the stock KT88's lost vacuum withing like 3 weeks, so I put a set of Gold Lion KT88's and rocked that for a couple years. Once the tubes started sounding like they were on the way out, I decided to try the 6550's and from then on that was all I used.

 

[jasonP]

How I felt about the D120 Series II. Never played the OG D120, but the II seemed very neutral and lacked character. Too open with very little saturation. That amp was dark too until you cranked treble presence up high and then it just sounded brittle to me.

My findings as well after owning series one and series two D120. It has really low plate voltage..

 

[MetalHeadMike]

I have the last few years of small production masterbuild of the probably last or last few of the older D120... i should have gotten the D60 as am only a bedroom player... but the amp turns out to be too loud for me... i cant simply escape with reasonable fart volume.. it sound fizzy... till i turn up abit further and it sound just right... i am wanting a PS100 soon...

Have you tried an eq in the loop? The D60 isn't that friendly at low volume without my 10 band in the loop. Then it's more like having a ch volume on the amp and I can get great bedroom volume with it. It of course shines wound up.

 

[skoora]

I’ve not tried the 120, but that was similar to what I thought about the Pittbull UL I had and the D60 and Pittbull CL I’ve tried

Although big, punchy and open, they somehow always seemed to me like there was something in them holding back a bit, like it could’ve growled more and had more sizzle/bite in the highs, idk. Like the Wizard’s, the growl on chords wasn’t as complete as I like to hear. Still very nice amps though and were a ton of amp for the money. Haven’t kept up with their prices for years now though

I feel the same way. I always found my way back to Marshall (or Marshall derivative) for that special sauce in the mids and top end. I found putting an EQ in the loop and bumping the mids didn’t sort it out either. It’s something in the circuit that’s going for a controlled, tight overdrive that sucks the wildness out of it. I remember demoing D60’s when they first came out and then the Sig X. Always nice to play through in the store but never felt like Ooh, I need this to come home. I have fond memories though of the UL I had in the 90’s but wasn’t going for the typical goosed, Marshall sound back then.

 

[braintheory]

I feel the same way. I always found my way back to Marshall (or Marshall derivative) for that special sauce in the mids and top end. I found putting an EQ in the loop and bumping the mids didn’t sort it out either. It’s something in the circuit that’s going for a controlled, tight overdrive that sucks the wildness out of it. I remember demoing D60’s when they first came out and then the Sig X. Always nice to play through in the store but never felt like Ooh, I need this to come home. I have fond memories though of the UL I had in the 90’s but wasn’t going for the typical goosed, Marshall sound back then.

Agreed about the controlled part. It’s like the amp never fully unleashed the beast. The Marshall is like the old wooden roller coaster that’s rougher and less predictable and can be more thrilling because of that and the Fryette is the newer steel one that’s a smoother, safer feeling ride, even if faster. Most recent made amps are like that. The Wizards imo are like a newer made wooden one. Not the same as the old ones still, safer, but closer

 

[MetalHeadMike]

Agreed about the controlled part. It’s like the amp never fully unleashed the beast. The Marshall is like the old wooden roller coaster that’s rougher and less predictable and can be more thrilling because of that and the Fryette is the newer steel one that’s a smoother, safer feeling ride, even if faster. Most recent made amps are like that. The Wizards imo are like a newer made wooden one. Not the same as the old ones still, safer, but closer

I guess I need to experience the right Marshall to get that feeling. I've only owned late 70s JMP 2204s and none ever did anything for me. Even boosted they were too rock n roll; not metal enough.

I completely understand your analogy, but based on the amps I've owned/played, I feel the MCII is the wildest most untamed, unruly amp I've owned to date...it can sound and feel like it's about to come apart at the seams with great snarl in the upper mids and growl in lower mids. I feel the CLX and D60 are like that too, but as you say, in a slightly more controlled manor. I still feel many of the Fryettes I've owned are very wild/untamed compared to most everything else I've played.

 

[braintheory]

I guess I need to experience the right Marshall to get that feeling. I've only owned late 70s JMP 2204s and none ever did anything for me. Even boosted they were too rock n roll; not metal enough.

I completely understand your analogy, but based on the amps I've owned/played, I feel the MCII is the wildest most untamed, unruly amp I've owned to date...it can sound and feel like it's about to come apart at the seams with great snarl in the upper mids and growl in lower mids. I feel the CLX and D60 are like that too, but as you say, in a slightly more controlled manor. I still feel many of the Fryettes I've owned are very wild/untamed compared to most everything else I've played.

They might just not be the right amps for you, but they do vary. They can get pretty heavy boosted, but I wouldn’t choose it for any really heavy stuff. As far as recent made amps go the Wizard’s I’ve had have been probably most raw/uncontrolled, but not quite compared to my vintage amps next it like the Marshall’s, Rev D Recto or c+. Those amps are just more rough around the edges still. It’s those “imperfections” (that studio guys try to smooth out) that make vintage amps in some ways more magical to me and just really authentic sounding

The Naylor is also quite raw for a newer made amp. The most raw and organic non-vintage amp I’ve tried has been my Alessandro Redbone Special, but that’s more of an amp for clean to classic rock at most

 

[DanTravis62]

For some people that slightly "controlled" feeling is preferable, but I'm definitely in Sam's camp. It's the wildness and "imperfections" that are the special sauce in vintage amps and the super duper high end stuff. As he says, stuff like the Naylor really does have that same "wooden rollercoaster" thing going on.

Even so, if I had to start a new rig from scratch, to play a gig right this second, a d60 would probably be my first choice for a relatively inexpensive, and commonly available and still in production amp.

I haven't played the dII but judging from the clips it sounds the same as the OG but with some needed quality of life features.

 

[braintheory]

For some people that slightly "controlled" feeling is preferable, but I'm definitely in Sam's camp. It's the wildness and "imperfections" that are the special sauce in vintage amps and the super duper high end stuff. As he says, stuff like the Naylor really does have that same "wooden rollercoaster" thing going on.

Even so, if I had to start a new rig from scratch, to play a gig right this second, a d60 would probably be my first choice for a relatively inexpensive, and commonly available and still in production amp.

I haven't played the dII but judging from the clips it sounds the same as the OG but with some needed quality of life features.

I’ve also only tried the OG’s. Not sure where the cut off is of “super duper expensive” haha, but even the more expensive amps I’ve tried so far made today didn’t truly have the same wildness to me, not even my Gjika, Xits, Schroeder and certainly not the Two Rocks and Bludotone’s. I still enjoy those amps just as much as my ‘67 Plexi for their own great, unique qualities, but vintage rawness imo isn’t quite in the cards for them. I’ve not tried a Larry though. That and a real Trainwreck are really the 2 things I still gotta try

 

[Smash]

For some people that slightly "controlled" feeling is preferable, but I'm definitely in Sam's camp. It's the wildness and "imperfections" that are the special sauce in vintage amps and the super duper high end stuff. As he says, stuff like the Naylor really does have that same "wooden rollercoaster" thing going on.

Even so, if I had to start a new rig from scratch, to play a gig right this second, a d60 would probably be my first choice for a relatively inexpensive, and commonly available and still in production amp.

I haven't played the dII but judging from the clips it sounds the same as the OG but with some needed quality of life features.

I am in this camp too. I didn't come here on purpose. I wanted the controlled. It was what i was looking for. when I got the Wizard, I was...Startled would be the best way to put it. Not at all what i was expecting. It didn't fit in my box, it didn't play nice with my pedals. It just wanted to be unleashed and that's what I have done.

 

[midnightlaundry]

Reading thru this, it seems like it's different tools for different jobs..
My impressions of KT88's are that they are big, wide and clear; precise in the Deliverance.. There just isn't a lot of squish in a Deliverance even tho the gain level is there.. The Deliverance excels in dynamics as intended..
The SigX is a bit more compressed and the Volume taper is such that you can get good bedroom volume easily.
Trying to get a bedroom volume with a Deliverance is more like balancing an Elephant on 1 leg with a Skateboard..
Time for another drink!

 

[DanTravis62]

I am in this camp too. I didn't come here on purpose. I wanted the controlled. It was what i was looking for. when I got the Wizard, I was...Startled would be the best way to put it. Not at all what i was expecting. It didn't fit in my box, it didn't play nice with my pedals. It just wanted to be unleashed and that's what I have done.

Sometimes you just gotta ride the neon tiger, bro.

You never know where it will take you