novosibir
Well-known member
You can rest assured, because you're not on my five-fingers persona-non-grata list.
I don't think you're malicious, just sometimes a bit coarse with your jokes.
I don't think you're malicious, just sometimes a bit coarse with your jokes.
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Hack
I can guess two of them
The game and s blue. I dont know the other three...you should tell me
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harddriver
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8K views.................Larry... your threads always deliver................
Eazy-ESP
Well-known member
I honestly don’t get the deal with Fortin. Strange company. But yeah, I was joking for sure. Most interesting is that we have a guy here that clearly knows a metric shit tonne about electronics, and he is anti PCB.It's the Fortin NATAS
This amp's circuit is a 100% rip-off of the DINO 939's circuit and Mike Fortin received this amp from me in July 2007, so at a time as a company named Fortin Amplification still didn't exist.
But it's a stripped down version of the DINO 939 with the channels California & Scream, minus the Dino's British channel, which is actually the most popular channel among metal players, because it is only with this channel that it is possible to realize the famous "Jon Schaffer rhythm sound".
Then there are some striking differences in quality compared to the level of a real Larry amp:
The circuits of the Larry amps are without exception built on solid fiber eyelet boards.
The Fortin NATAS is built on PCB with all the disadvantages of this design, especially the parasitic transverse capacitances, which in particular noticeably impair the liveliness and dynamics of the amp's sound.
In addition, different component brands are used in the NATAS than in the DINO. Especially not my sound-deciding Beyschlag metal film resistors and Cornell Dubilier 170 polypropylene caps, as well as not the LCR filter can caps, which contribute remarkable to the amp's behaviour & feel.
And perhaps most importantly - he didn't install my transformers, especially not my extremely sound-influencing OT, where NOS sheet metal from the 80's is used.
There are certainly enough people who say that the NATAS sounds fantastic. Just like there are people who say that a Peavey 5150 or an Engl sounds fantastic and are/would be happy with the sounds of these amps until the end of their lives.
However, if you have the opportunity to compare a NATAS side-by-side with a DINO, you will turn the NATAS off within the first minute.
I know it because I had already the opportunity to try it myself
I’m only a player, but I have 1 hand wired amp and have owned many PCB. There is definitely something more Magic about hand wired. That said, for a certain abrasive metal tone like Recto, it seems to me PCB amps are the only ones that get there. Wish I had more understanding, so I’m going to start learning. Give me a few years lol.
novosibir
Well-known member
Everything that a PCB based amp gives you soundwise can also be achieved with a PTP hand wired tube amp. It's just not possible the other way around, because taking something out of the sound is much easier than adding something that wasn't originally there.
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Kagami
Active member
PCB design requires more cost (time and money) and knowledge so I can see why smaller amp builders don't want to get into it, it just isn't worthwhile.
If it was a waitlist + payment on availability for Larry amp would that make the complaints go away? If there's a constant flow of amps being sold it doesn't seem like this would make much of a difference.
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novosibir
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Every year I get an average of 3 to 4 offers from companies in China, mostly located in Shenzhen, who offer me to make PCBs for my amps.
They make 2-layer as well as 4-layer PCBs, offer from the purchase of 20 pcs. to design the layout of the PCB according to my schematics free of charge and also offer to equip the PCBs with components and solder them in a soldering bath.
When selecting components, you have the opportunity of choosing between different quality levels.
However, I can't say anything about the prices because I was never interested in their offers due to my conviction.
If that were the case, I might have done it that way a long time ago.
But it makes a significant difference and with a PCB based amp you will never achieve the sound quality, the three-dimensionality of the tone, the liveliness and dynamics or the playing feel that you achieve with a PTP design.
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JimAnsell2
Active member
just let him have the last word already!!
So he can get back to taking a machinist ruler to all his resistors and shit.
Seriously... for the sake of the people who put money down on one of these boys.
that wait time is up to 7 years now.
So he can get back to taking a machinist ruler to all his resistors and shit.
Seriously... for the sake of the people who put money down on one of these boys.
that wait time is up to 7 years now.
tallcoolone
Well-known member
Was just going to say this—maybe it takes this long to build amps because you feel the need to reply to everything that is said about you online.
Seen several builders who fell down that hole and never recovered
Tone Monster
Well-known member
Serious question. In understand all
amps are different but in general how long does it take to build an amp assuming all
Components are in stock?
amps are different but in general how long does it take to build an amp assuming all
Components are in stock?
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JimAnsell2
Active member
i mean there is a rather well know guy (EGGS!!!) in town that has amateurs building em in a weekend classroom setting.
Albeit a simple Marshall single channel circuit with some mods. Something like this with the precision of the layout probably 3 times as long.
Idk, Larry? What do you think? 6.....7.... years?
SIX, SEEEEVEEN?
GET IT?
Do you have that one in Germany yet?
OldGtrGuy
Well-known member
Holy shit that made me LOLOh yes, he had tried. However, I had first shit him on his cock during his attempt and then blown him into the wind with a mighty fart.
Only a short time later he had released his song
This thread is amazing. I think back 5 years ago thinking damn, I'm just not the type of guy to send a deposit for anything that isn't readily available.
If I would have put one down for a Larry back then I'd be getting close to owning one.
This thread reminds me of the King of Tone for some reason, that dude just keeps taking orders and extending the wait and increasing the price.
How much is a new Larry amp these days anyway? This thread kind of makes me want one. I see people selling c++ for like $8,000
Owning a Larry could be a lottery ticket one day.
Monkey Man
Super Moderator
Larry threads usually are and always deliver.
Eazy-ESP
Well-known member
Some kind of irony there. The threads always deliver, the amps to customers not so much.Larry threads usually are and always deliver.
novosibir
Well-known member
Can I see a small crumb of envy in your criticism?
No, I think I'm wrong - but one moment please, I'll get my magnifying glass.
Oh yes, there's a hint of a tiny bit of envy tho
One of the many teachings of social psychology says:
"Envy and criticism are often just perverted forms of recognition"
Therefore, thank you both very much for your recognition
novosibir
Well-known member
Who knows that today?How much is a new Larry amp these days anyway? This thread kind of makes me want one. I see people selling c++ for like $8,000
Owning a Larry could be a lottery ticket one day.
But maybe this is a first sign of the correctness of your thesis:
Monkey Man
Super Moderator
... so their 2nd-hand value is shit.
Kidding of course. Logically, it sounds like a can't-go-wrong investment. If you find that you dislike an amp you can get your money back and then some.
Unless of course you're selling them for that much?
Kidding of course. Logically, it sounds like a can't-go-wrong investment. If you find that you dislike an amp you can get your money back and then some.
Unless of course you're selling them for that much?
novosibir
Well-known member
This 2015 DINO 939 was ordered in 2013 and had a price of 6,060 euros at the time, including NOS Tungsram ECC83 preamp tubes and NOS RFT EL34 power tubes, plus 270 euros for the foot controller. Now you still have to consider the exchange rate euro <-> US$ of that time.... so their 2nd-hand value is shit.
Kidding of course. Logically, it sounds like a can't-go-wrong investment. If you find that you dislike an amp you can get your money back and then some.
Unless of course you're selling them for that much?
tallcoolone
Well-known member
No envy here my man, I have no clue who you are. Just a little constructive criticism
shredi knight
Well-known member
Uh huh, just as I suspected:
Gotta read the fine print, people.
Gotta read the fine print, people.
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