Monkey Man
Super Moderator
Well there's that too of course but it goes without saying.
novosibir
Well-known member
It was even 20 amps at the beginning of the year and shrunk to 17 amps, after I had delivered three PMMs in March, to Techdeth, to Redneckstomp and to someone who does not want to be mentioned publicly.
Ok, I think I have an explanation for that huge amount of orders from guys only of this forum:
There are some guys here who don't exactly love me and therefore don't have nice words about me to others. Here is a recent example:
Another example, which is now three years old and was written by someone whose name I don't even want to type into my keyboard anymore:
So I assume that for several years now some here from the forum have been badmouthing me and my amps when they were contacted by Larry amp interested parties by PM or email.
Secretly, they apparently believe that they have harmed me by doing so, but this is a fatal mistake and only shows that they are not familiar with the laws of marketing, of which one says:
"Negative advertising is also advertising and makes people attentive to the company or person in question. Since they become suspicious due to the negative reports, they become still more curious and therefore inform themselves elsewhere, which often leads them to come across contrary reports"
Should I now say thank you to them?
Ok, I think I have an explanation for that huge amount of orders from guys only of this forum:
There are some guys here who don't exactly love me and therefore don't have nice words about me to others. Here is a recent example:
Another example, which is now three years old and was written by someone whose name I don't even want to type into my keyboard anymore:
So I assume that for several years now some here from the forum have been badmouthing me and my amps when they were contacted by Larry amp interested parties by PM or email.
Secretly, they apparently believe that they have harmed me by doing so, but this is a fatal mistake and only shows that they are not familiar with the laws of marketing, of which one says:
"Negative advertising is also advertising and makes people attentive to the company or person in question. Since they become suspicious due to the negative reports, they become still more curious and therefore inform themselves elsewhere, which often leads them to come across contrary reports"
Should I now say thank you to them?
311boogieman
Well-known member
You can't make this shit up. So its more than 17 people, meaning the wait time is even longer then I was suspecting. And I wasn't throwing dirt your way or making things up. I just said your reputation precedes you. Great amps do no make a great man.
Its like 5am in the morning for you Helmut. Sorry we kept you up all night worrying about your reputation here at Rig-Talk. Glad you can read though.
shredi knight
Well-known member
Oh yes, he had tried. However, I had first shit him on his cock during his attempt and then blown him into the wind with a mighty fart.
Only a short time later he had released his song
What an elegant way with words you have. For everyone's sake, I am going to choose to not create a meme depicting this encounter.
Edit: The quoted post above is from the same guy who told me to "grow up and mature", back on page 6.
You first, Uncle Fester.
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Monkey Man
Super Moderator
To be fair, no.
Your post insinuated that his inability to fulfil 17 orders in 5 years proved that his pace wasn't up-to-par.
He'd probably agree if indeed he only had 17 amps to build, which it turns out isn't the case.
IOW, the timeframe is the same, but the order backlog is greater - the opposite effect to what you implied.
Just tryna be Devil's Advocate™ here.
311boogieman
Well-known member
I'm just trying to apply some logic here
I haven't posted one meme or distasteful joke.
I even made a comment about how crappy his eye sight problem is.
I haven't posted one meme or distasteful joke.
I even made a comment about how crappy his eye sight problem is.
Eazy-ESP
Well-known member
I can’t chance waiting 5 years a year from now. Maybe I’ll try the poor man’s route. Which Fortin amp ripped off Larry the most?
Monkey Man
Super Moderator
Indeed brother.I'm just trying to apply some logic here
I haven't posted one meme or distasteful joke.
I even made a comment about how crappy his eye sight problem is.
My contention was super-specific.
311boogieman
Well-known member
To be fair, no.
Your post insinuated that his inability to fulfil 17 orders in 5 years proved that his pace wasn't up-to-par.
He'd probably agree if indeed he only had 17 amps to build, which it turns out isn't the case.
IOW, the timeframe is the same, but the order backlog is greater - the opposite effect to what you implied.
Just tryna be Devil's Advocate™ here.
I get your point Nicki. It's not really about whether it is 17 or 27 or 7. It's not about 5 years or 6 or 4. My point was simply 5 years (on average lets say) is a long wait for anything. I'm happy the 17+ members can wait that long. But what about the "18th" person (for example). Or the person who saved up $2,000 (or whatever the deposit is) only to be told the orders have halted. That and $2,000 x .05 interest rate cost of money is $100 @ year. Theoretically = $500. If he's so rich and not doing it for the money then just make the damn amps and sell them in the order they came in.
There was an order halt in 2022 I've now learned that I'm guessing lasted 1 year. So what, he started taking orders again in 2024? Lost 6 months in 2025 so we're back on hold again? He mentioned a few people were communicated to while he was out of pocket. I guess he thrives on negative advertising. Look everybody, my 'ish is on hold again.
In other words, the wait time for his next new order, is 6+ years now. Health issues pop up. Life pops up. Shit happens.
I know fuck all about building amps but I am a businessman. Helmut/Larry/novosibir is admittedly...not.
Sorry if I'm way off base or flat out annoying. For you 17+ Rig-Talkers out there I wish you happiness in your amp pursuits. Peace out!
Monkey Man
Super Moderator
Yeah I fully understand where you're coming from as always Brother 3 but I'm bowing out now; there're too many details and associated assumptions for me to be bothered. I simply questioned your logic on that one specific thing and had no intention of being drawn into a Larry-apologist debate.
Larry's a big boy after all so he can defend himself.
Larry's a big boy after all so he can defend himself.
novosibir
Well-known member
An old farmer's law says: "What you sow, you must reap"
My post was only the result of your seed
Another social law says: "What you hand out, you must also be able to take when the echo comes back to you"
In this respect, you seem to have to become a little more stable?
I guess I myself won't achieve that still in this life?Edit: The quoted post above is from the same guy who told me to "grow up and mature", back on page 6.
You first, Uncle Fester.
Maybe in my next life?
novosibir
Well-known member
Correct! Helmut/Larry/novosibir has never been a businessman whose primary interest is to earn as much money as possible as quickly as possible.
In the past, until 1986, when I was still a BMW tuner, my primary interest was to build more powerful sports engines than the companies Alpina, Hartge and Schnitzer were able to do at that time and for which I earned as high recognition as I do now with my amps.
This quality ultimately earned me a high position in the technical development/engine department at AUDI in Ingolstadt in 1986.
However, since I have had a hard time getting used to regular working hours all my life and I used to be an active rock guitarist and sound freak, I started years before with modifications (at first) only on my own amps, which apparently others also liked and more and more guys brought me their amps to modify. That's why I finally quit my (highly paid) job at AUDI and opened a shop: Service, repair & mods exclusively on tube amps in 1988.
At that time, the German company Kitty Hawk also became aware of me through hearsay, which resulted in the CEO suddenly and spontaneously visiting me at home in 1988. From then on I carried out technical developments for Kitty Hawk for a few years and although I was often for a few days to test and tune the amps in their company, I was not permanently employed there at any time, but had billed according to order.
However, since this company was in massive financial difficulties at that time and therefore later switched to paying me no longer with money, but with tubes, loudspeakers and speaker cabinets, I had ended my cooperation with them in 1991.
Finally, on January 8th 1992, my very first DINO tube amp was born, the DINO 802 TUBE AMP by LARRY:
I continued to develop this amp model over decades from the DINO 822, DINO 832, DINO 932, DINO 937, DINO 939 to my current flagship DINO 962:
... and it is the my most successful amp model of my amp line with meanwhile almost 200 specimen sold worldwide.
In addition, there are well over 200 DINO-ish Marshall rebuilds, designated as DINO JM XXX models and mainly rebuilt during the 90's and where the "JM" stands for Jim Marshall: Find my offer list from the 90's as PDF below.
Despite this success, I never became for money and remained true to my line of building and tuning all my amps the way I personally liked them best, although of course I always had an open ear for the ideas and suggestions of others.
In the past, people with a lot of money have repeatedly approached me.
One of them even wanted to get in with quarter a million euros to, as he said, 'build not just excellent sounding Larry amps, but lots of Larry amps'.
Another wanted to buy my name, my rights and all my developments from me for 100,000 euros and, after handing it over to him, would have hired me as a developer and trainer for his staff for another two years.
But I turned down all offers because that doesn't correspond to my ideology and convictions. In the past, I had also observed how once small, innovative companies suddenly grew too quickly and then ultimately went bankrupt.
At no time had I oriented myself to market trends, but built every single amp as if it were my last personal amp for eternity. I never made cost-oriented decisions and never sought to save money on component selection. For these reasons, I still consider each and every one of my amps to be my personal kids, who go out into the world after their completion to bring joy to other people.
On my meanwhile very long way I have come to the following realization:
If you are not dogged and greedy for orders and the highest possible profit, but do with heart and soul and constantly optimize what you are convinced of with enthusiasm - then orders and thus money/profit come all by themselves.
This realization convinces me to continue to stay true to my personal path and not to be irritated by what others consider to be "the right way".
Hugh!
I had never forced anyone to order an amp from me and I am always ready to pay everyone back their deposit immediately if they lose patience during the waiting time and there are some others who would be happy to jump into this gap of my waiting list - what I wouldn't do, but would add them at the end of the queue.Sorry if I'm way off base or flat out annoying. For you 17+ Rig-Talkers out there I wish you happiness in your amp pursuits. Peace out!
The last example of the lost of patience is REZA, he lost patience, didn't want to wait any longer and had his money back via PayPal after less than one hour.
However, he had suffered some loss, but not because I withheld a partial amount, but because I only accept payments in euros, but the exchange rate had changed in the meantime to his disadvantage.
But it also could have changed the other way and in this case he would have even made a profit as a result. Yes, we have no influence on that
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shredi knight
Well-known member
My post was only the result of your seed
........Nah, too easy.
shredi knight
Well-known member
Oh yes, he had tried. However, I had first shit him on his cock during his attempt and then blown him into the wind with a mighty fart.
Only a short time later he had released his song
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novosibir
Well-known member
It's the Fortin NATAS
This amp's circuit is a 100% rip-off of the DINO 939's circuit and Mike Fortin received this amp from me in July 2007, so at a time as a company named Fortin Amplification still didn't exist.
But it's a stripped down version of the DINO 939 with the channels California & Scream, minus the Dino's British channel, which is actually the most popular channel among metal players, because it is only with this channel that it is possible to realize the famous "Jon Schaffer rhythm sound".
Then there are some striking differences in quality compared to the level of a real Larry amp:
The circuits of the Larry amps are without exception built on solid fiber eyelet boards.
The Fortin NATAS is built on PCB with all the disadvantages of this design, especially the parasitic transverse capacitances, which in particular noticeably impair the liveliness and dynamics of the amp's sound.
In addition, different component brands are used in the NATAS than in the DINO. Especially not my sound-deciding Beyschlag metal film resistors and Cornell Dubilier 170 polypropylene caps, as well as not the LCR filter can caps, which contribute remarkable to the amp's behaviour & feel.
And perhaps most importantly - he didn't install my transformers, especially not my extremely sound-influencing OT, where NOS sheet metal from the 80's is used.
There are certainly enough people who say that the NATAS sounds fantastic. Just like there are people who say that a Peavey 5150 or an Engl sounds fantastic and are/would be happy with the sounds of these amps until the end of their lives.
However, if you have the opportunity to compare a NATAS side-by-side with a DINO, you will turn the NATAS off within the first minute.
I know it because I had already the opportunity to try it myself
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japetus
Well-known member
Larry loves it here
novosibir
Well-known member
Oh yes, mostly nice guys here on this forum just with a handful (five fingers) exceptions
shredi knight
Well-known member
Oh yes, mostly nice guys here on this forum just with a handful (five fingers) exceptions
Ooh, can I please be the middle finger?
novosibir
Well-known member
Ooh, can I please be the middle finger?
shredi knight
Well-known member
Is that a yes? If so, your thumbs up technique needs work.
