Prince dead!

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IndyPhil":3of9k07s said:
Kapo_Polenton":3of9k07s said:
What is "sexual immorality" anyways? How do you define what is and isn't? It opens up a can of worms on homosexuality which was a huge part of the ancient world and today's world and that we know clearly by the laws of common sense, are/is not immoral in any way.

Are you directing that question to me or just in general.

In general.. I am not a big Prince fan but I liked a few of his tunes. Definitely an artist in the way he brought music and image together but what an ego and arrogance on the guy. I went back and listened to him in interviews as well as some Stories of people who spent time with him. The way he treated fans in order to suppress negative views of his more recent releases is horrible. In short, the guy came off as a bit of a lunatic. I never thought he was anything more than quirky but learning more about him over the last few days has really swung my opinion of him the other way. He was almost like Tom Cruise on steroids! ( who we all know is a pretty fine actor and as fanatical about Scientology as Prince was about his own beliefs) I guess it is ok to revere these people for their music or accomplishments and a whole other thing to projec on to them what we would hope them to be. I guess fame can do that to you. As we know, dying younger than expected in the music world means you will instantly become bigger in death than you were in life. (Morrison, RR, Hendrix etc)
 
Kapo_Polenton":10uf3td7 said:
IndyPhil":10uf3td7 said:
Kapo_Polenton":10uf3td7 said:
What is "sexual immorality" anyways? How do you define what is and isn't? It opens up a can of worms on homosexuality which was a huge part of the ancient world and today's world and that we know clearly by the laws of common sense, are/is not immoral in any way.

Are you directing that question to me or just in general.

In general.. I am not a big Prince fan but I liked a few of his tunes. Definitely an artist in the way he brought music and image together but what an ego and arrogance on the guy. I went back and listened to him in interviews as well as some Stories of people who spent time with him. The way he treated fans in order to suppress negative views of his more recent releases is horrible. In short, the guy came off as a bit of a lunatic. I never thought he was anything more than quirky but learning more about him over the last few days has really swung my opinion of him the other way. He was almost like Tom Cruise on steroids! ( who we all know is a pretty fine actor and as fanatical about Scientology as Prince was about his own beliefs) I guess it is ok to revere these people for their music or accomplishments and a whole other thing to projec on to them what we would hope them to be. I guess fame can do that to you. As we know, dying younger than expected in the music world means you will instantly become bigger in death than you were in life. (Morrison, RR, Hendrix etc)
Also, if you watch some of his old interviews, some of his actions seem (or to me suggest) like maybe he was in the autistic spectrum... just a thought.
 
IndyPhil":1d2xp7y5 said:
Racerxrated":1d2xp7y5 said:
ElectricVoodoo":1d2xp7y5 said:
An overdose seems as the possibility. Odd, because he looked like someone who took care of himself, I wouldn't have thought this.
Apparently, he had one last weekend and they reported it as flu like symptoms.
Sad
I'm hearing Narcan was used in an Illinois hospital. That's typically used to kick start the respiratory system, if someone is bottoming out with their B/P or respirations. He has needed bilateral hip replacement surgery since 2005, but has refused to have it because of his beliefs as a Jehovah's Witness. They refuse any blood products so no surgery possible. So my bet is he has been taking pain meds to control his hip pain, and that caused/contributed to his death.

So sad.


This is simply not true. My mother had hip replacement surgery and the surgery was done bloodless. If he declined hip replacement surgery it was not due to him being a Jehovah's Witnesses.
Then I stand corrected. Unless his surgeon/surgeons demanded that blood products be available if need be, and he declined. I have witnessed 2 hip arthroplasty procedures while in school and I think there were one or two units available, but not used. I've had bilateral knee replacement and I didn't need any blood products. I was curious as to my charges/itemization on my billing and none were charged. I'm sure that most surgeons would have to have blood products available if necessary. If a problem arose. Either way, if he has needed hip replacements since 2005 and has declined the surgery, he must have been living with some serious chronic pain.
 
Nuno idolized him back in the day...one of his stated goals was to play with him, which never happened and spawned the Rhianna gig in it's place.
 
paulyc":2ixx52uu said:
Nuno idolized him back in the day...one of his stated goals was to play with him, which never happened and spawned the Rhianna gig in it's place.

There is a reason for that... Prince was an ego maniac (that is clear) and although everyone here blows their load over his guitar playing, it isn't that revolutionary or special for the most part when he plays electric. He does do some cool stuff on acoustic and has the funk stuff down pretty good but where shred is concerned, I don't buy that he was this mega player who could play anything. Watch a few clips of him soloing and that becomes evident. He did play with feeling though, I will give him that. Nuno on the other hand is a monster.. and also has an ego..you think Prince would let himself be upstaged by Nuno? It is supposed to be the Prince show after all. The whole aura of this amazing artist was big time tied into the stage show and the dancing and the posturing. I think Prince was very careful to pick and choose who he would play with on stage and made sure that he remained the focus point. Very smart image management.
 
I don't think Nuno had visions of being in a band with Prince, but he wanted to work on something, either a song or an album...whatever. I agree that Prince was no shredder, but he's a damn fine guitar player for sure, and a great song writer and producer.
 
Kapo_Polenton":3jcxf020 said:
paulyc":3jcxf020 said:
Nuno idolized him back in the day...one of his stated goals was to play with him, which never happened and spawned the Rhianna gig in it's place.

There is a reason for that... Prince was an ego maniac (that is clear) and although everyone here blows their load over his guitar playing, it isn't that revolutionary or special for the most part when he plays electric. He does do some cool stuff on acoustic and has the funk stuff down pretty good but where shred is concerned, I don't buy that he was this mega player who could play anything. Watch a few clips of him soloing and that becomes evident. He did play with feeling though, I will give him that. Nuno on the other hand is a monster.. and also has an ego..you think Prince would let himself be upstaged by Nuno? It is supposed to be the Prince show after all. The whole aura of this amazing artist was big time tied into the stage show and the dancing and the posturing. I think Prince was very careful to pick and choose who he would play with on stage and made sure that he remained the focus point. Very smart image management.

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That's some funny shit right there.
 
Let me clarify one thing.. def. not saying he wasn't amazing performer. He absolutely was. But share the stage with Nuno he def. would not want to do if he wanted to preserve his guitar image. Most people would be foolish to do so. Nuno can also funk it up real good.... black nail polish and all!
 
Kapo_Polenton":s3vh6ydu said:
But share the stage with Nuno he def. would not want to do if he wanted to preserve his guitar image.

Only if he was concerned with his image in the eyes of a minority of the guitar players in the world and I highly doubt he was.
 
ejecta":2sb1nn34 said:
Kapo_Polenton":2sb1nn34 said:
But share the stage with Nuno he def. would not want to do if he wanted to preserve his guitar image.

Only if he was concerned with his image in the eyes of a minority of the guitar players in the world and I highly doubt he was.

Good point. Maybe bring Gary out on stage to dance the choreography for When Dove's Cry to really make a show out of it.. you know he would kill it! :lol: :LOL:
 
I think Gary was why Nuno loved Prince actually, because Nuno's whole trip before Extreme was Yngwie, Gary brought him around to songs.
 
paulyc":13y6o21q said:
I think Gary was why Nuno loved Prince actually, because Nuno's whole trip before Extreme was Yngwie, Gary brought him around to songs.

That wouldn't surprise me one bit after watching clips of Gary humping the stage and twisting himself into some ungodly human shape which is impossible to describe... :confused:
 
Yeah, Gary is a bit odd... But I will say I saw VH on tour with Gary and it was the best I've ever seen them, too bad the album they did together was shite.

I think Nuno's whole Queen influence and Beatles etc... is all Gary actually. Nuno was a shredder before Gary, and Extreme was just an average club band in Boston before Nuno, go search for the "Mutha (Don't Wanna Go To School Today) video pre-Nuno...pretty funny.
 
Seen that video... horrible! I always thought Nuno was the Queen and Beatles guy. Interesting.. either way, it did wonders for his writing and playing style.
 
gtrwun":3da24jeu said:
GF text me she saw Prince is dead? I cant confirm as I cant get into the TMZ sight here at work. Sad news indeed if true. Loved and appreciated his talent. RIP.....

UPDATE............Looks to be true
http://www.fox9.com/news/128500293-story
gtrwun, where you been man?

Mr. Nelson died back in 1982 when he sang about 1999!

R.I.P. Mr. Nelson.
 
Kapo_Polenton":2jhtwjae said:
Seen that video... horrible! I always thought Nuno was the Queen and Beatles guy. Interesting.. either way, it did wonders for his writing and playing style.
Nuno is one of my favorite players ever. A guy that can do it all.
 
I'm surprised how many members of this forum venerate Prince. I don't know a lot about him, but have been around long enough to be familiar with his legacy and some of his music. The only two songs I remember clearly are Purple Rain and When Doves Cry, but only because of the movie (Apelonia) and MTV constantly playing it. I've heard him playing solos, etc..., but I've honestly heard better club guiarists. There are far more talented guitarists on this forum, in my opinion, yet somehow Prince commands nearly as much respect in the USA as Jimmy Page.

Not to speak negatively of him, but when I first heard he died, it seemed like his death made more of an impact than his music career. The pervasive liberalism of white Americans has given them a tendency to extol black celebrities and athletes, and the media has a zealous approach to representing black people. It seems that this fact lends substantially to the impact of his death. Moreover, his eccentric metrosexual personality compounds his praise in this day and age when the acceptance of deviant sexuality is preceipitated on American society; despite himself apparently bein averse to homosexuality.

Though Prince seems to be lauded on forums like this, I doubt (in all honesty) that 99% of the people positively commenting have blown the dust off of their digitally remastered Prince's Greatest Hits CD in 20 years. I've always been under the impression that the general public is swayed and influenced by popular opinion and the media, and therefore generally have pathetic taste in music compared to people who listen and appraise music solely on their own music preference and knowledge.

Take away the popularity and adulation, and you have another lavish celebrity dead from a drug overdose in an age where recreational drug use has become a huge epidemic for young Americans. Unfortunately, this enormous problem has been successfully repressed by the mainstream media which colludes with the current presidential administration. Together with the boom of deviant television media and even cable channels dedicated to pot smoking, Americans haven't been hit with the realities of the current drug epedemic.

Rather than looking at things for what they are, we have adopted an idealistic approach to celebrity deaths. Now these popular tragedies come and go and people don't realize that they're just a symptom of of a prevalent national problem. Much like the gun debate, where the sheeple are turned against guns rather than the mental illness and extreme ideologies which source the crimes, we casually cast aside reality for a fluffy little idea of what happens.

I'm sorry to diverge from popular opinion, but I have a tendency to see things for what they are. What I remember about Michael Jackson is dangling a baby from the balcony, buying a dead body, and little boys in his bed. I remember Whitney Houston making ten lifetimes of wealth from a song done better by Dolly Pardon many, many years earlier. I remember Prince as a commercial artist with mediocre talent made popular by his eccentricity, ethnicity, and the politics of the time, yet hasn't been relevant for a very long time.
 
SavageRiffer":3hwuc35n said:
I'm surprised how many members of this forum venerate Prince. I don't know a lot about him, but have been around long enough to be familiar with his legacy and some of his music. The only two songs I remember clearly are Purple Rain and When Doves Cry, but only because of the movie (Apelonia) and MTV constantly playing it. I've heard him playing solos, etc..., but I've honestly heard better club guiarists. There are far more talented guitarists on this forum, in my opinion, yet somehow Prince commands nearly as much respect in the USA as Jimmy Page.

Not to speak negatively of him, but when I first heard he died, it seemed like his death made more of an impact than his music career. The pervasive liberalism of white Americans has given them a tendency to extol black celebrities and athletes, and the media has a zealous approach to representing black people. It seems that this fact lends substantially to the impact of his death. Moreover, his eccentric metrosexual personality compounds his praise in this day and age when the acceptance of deviant sexuality is preceipitated on American society; despite himself apparently bein averse to homosexuality.

Though Prince seems to be lauded on forums like this, I doubt (in all honesty) that 99% of the people positively commenting have blown the dust off of their digitally remastered Prince's Greatest Hits CD in 20 years. I've always been under the impression that the general public is swayed and influenced by popular opinion and the media, and therefore generally have pathetic taste in music compared to people who listen and appraise music solely on their own music preference and knowledge.

Take away the popularity and adulation, and you have another lavish celebrity dead from a drug overdose in an age where recreational drug use has become a huge epidemic for young Americans. Unfortunately, this enormous problem has been successfully repressed by the mainstream media which colludes with the current presidential administration. Together with the boom of deviant television media and even cable channels dedicated to pot smoking, Americans haven't been hit with the realities of the current drug epedemic.

Rather than looking at things for what they are, we have adopted an idealistic approach to celebrity deaths. Now these popular tragedies come and go and people don't realize that they're just a symptom of of a prevalent national problem. Much like the gun debate, where the sheeple are turned against guns rather than the mental illness and extreme ideologies which source the crimes, we casually cast aside reality for a fluffy little idea of what happens.

I'm sorry to diverge from popular opinion, but I have a tendency to see things for what they are. What I remember about Michael Jackson is dangling a baby from the balcony, buying a dead body, and little boys in his bed. I remember Whitney Houston making ten lifetimes of wealth from a song done better by Dolly Pardon many, many years earlier. I remember Prince as a commercial artist with mediocre talent made popular by his eccentricity, ethnicity, and the politics of the time, yet hasn't been relevant for a very long time.

Shew. Harsh. Direct. There is some truth sprinkled throughout that shit though. I think you and I might drink the same flavor of haterade! I respect prince for his creativity and obvious talent, but that's about it. I hate to see the world lose people who push boundaries and show massive talent and work ethic at what they do, and dedicate their lives to something. I hated to see David Bowie die for the same reasons, and I'm not a huge fan of most his music either. I just hate to see people die that have given great gifts to the world, even if they are flawed people like, or even worse than, the rest of us. There are just so many complete TURDS out there that could die instead. Unfortunately, the turds seem to live forever.
 
I don't think Prince was an awesome guitarist, and I'm SURE there are guys on this forum that are technically WAY MORE accomplished players, but that's only one small piece of the puzzle, isn't it ? Prince could write, sing, play multiple instruments, produce other acts (and himself), basically do it all...AND he was a really good guitar player. Great ? I've seen some live stuff I thought was REALLY good...Vai good ? No, never. Malmsteen good ? Again, no. But I don't think that was Prince's aim either. The world isn't as good a place without him as it was with him, that's how I judge it. My .02...
 
If I see one more cover of purple rain appear online I'm gonna kill something :doh:
 
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