Reb Beach rips on Hammett

[ejecta]

The drummer from Winger played in the Dixie Dregs with Steve Morse... Kip Winger graduated Berklee school of music (as did Reb, who did studio work before joining winger)... I don't think metallica is a 'gazillion times better'. Just my opinion though.

Pete

End game.

 

[glassjaw7]

I'd be willing to bet that the dart throwing scene in Metallica's video and the longer version of it in the "year and a half in the life of" metallica vhs/dvd actually HELPED Winger's career. Thousands of Metallica fans probably bought Winger tapes and cd's after watching that video to see just how bad they sucked.
Kip and the gir...uh, boys should be thanking Metallica.
As far as Kirk's playing. It is what it is, very sloppy and hasn't progressed in years, but he's written some great riffs, is a great rhythm player and has written many memorable guitar solos(during their first few albums at least) that have helped Metallica build their career. Sure Reb smokes him, but he is a total douche bag if he can't get over someone pointing out how obviously fruity his band was. Sure they've toughened up their image and sound a bit now, but deep down Kip will always be this guy.

Oh, and metallica sucks now too.

 

[Jimmie]

I thought that Dave Mustane was the lead guitarist for Metallica.

 

[Bishop5150]

KH's playing might be ruff but you cant deny that he has written some very memorable solos. sloppy as they may be at times, you cant say Rebs solos have the same catchy-ish-ness-ism.

Yeah not to mention Reb was in WINGER ffs. We're talking about a member of Winger ripping on somebody Just no credibility there, the more I think of it the funnier it is. What's next, is Boy George's keyboard player going to come out and rip Stevie Wonder?

Who cares what band he was in, he's a far better guitar player. Hamster never wrote any Metallica stuff except for his solos and maybe a riff here or there.

EDIT: Hamster wrote Invisible Kid. Instant fail.

Wow, that is a horrid song. And the snare drum on that track and I guess that whole album is terrible. It sounds like they used a timbale as a snare drum. The picture of Kip Winger in a banana hammock is disturbing. No doubt Reb is a more technically advanced player, but if you walk into Guitar Center on any given Saturday afternoon you'll here a lot more kids jamming "Enter Sandman" than "Madalaine" or "Seventeen". I can't stand Metallica now but Kirk's solo's on "Fade to Black" and "Sanitarium" are pretty classic.

 

[MARK1970]

I almost forgot to mention the Dokken ( Live from the Sun ) DVD where Reb tore it up and sounded as good as old Lynch IMHO

Check out some of that if you think Reb sucks and then please play it better ... If you can

+1 He did do justice to the Lynch solos.

 

[glassjaw7]

 

[NewWorldMan]

I'm sure Kirk really cares. "Oh please, guitarist from a borderline irrelevant B Grade hair band, don't hate on me. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to drive my 24k gold helicopter downtown, purchase the rights to your entire catalog, and have it destroyed to erase the shred of a memory that most people have left of you..."

I'm not knocking Reb, but it's completely tasteless to badmouth a fellow guitarist. It just makes Reb look that much more butthurt that Kirk is getting recognition for his body of work than he is. There's a lot more to being a musician than being a technically proficient guitarist, and Kirk has more widespread influence than Reb ever will have. There's more guitarists that will pick up a guitar now and be inspired by Metallica and Kirk now and 20+ years from now than ever will be for Reb. Most young guys picking up a guitar these days have never even heard of Reb, but I bet they all dicked around with the main riff to Enter Sandman or learn some Kirk solos along the way.

It's like Hendrix, the man could be the sloppiest live player you've ever heard and he wasn't the most technically proficient, even for his era...but you can't deny his appeal and the inspiration he gave that made countless guitarists we love these days pick up a guitar to begin with.

 

[thiswaythatway]

It's like Hendrix, the man could be the sloppiest live player you've ever heard and he wasn't the most technically proficient, even for his era...but you can't deny his appeal and the inspiration he gave that made countless guitarists we love these days pick up a guitar to begin with.

See now that's what i don't agree with, and it's not like Hendrix at all. Kirk isn't the inspiration, it's more Metallica as a band. And the FACT is, if Metallica dumped Kirk tomorrow they wouldn't miss a beat and they'd be better. Kirk would release some shitty solo album and fade.

 

[glassjaw7]

It's like Hendrix, the man could be the sloppiest live player you've ever heard and he wasn't the most technically proficient, even for his era...but you can't deny his appeal and the inspiration he gave that made countless guitarists we love these days pick up a guitar to begin with.

See now that's what i don't agree with, and it's not like Hendrix at all. Kirk isn't the inspiration, it's more Metallica as a band. And the FACT is, if Metallica dumped Kirk tomorrow they wouldn't miss a beat and they'd be better. Kirk would release some shitty solo album and fade.

I don't think so man. Kirk wrote the main riff for Enter Sandman, which completely changed the band's level of success and had a huge effect on rock and metal music. He is also the glue that holds that mess of a band together. Besides, Metallica's songs have never been about insane flashy lead guitar work a la Marty Friedman. They are all about the melodic memorable solos that you remember and hum in the shower while thinking about 'barzini or psychodave's legs.

 

[Digital Jams]

I'm sure Kirk really cares. "Oh please, guitarist from a borderline irrelevant B Grade hair band, don't hate on me. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to drive my 24k gold helicopter downtown, purchase the rights to your entire catalog, and have it destroyed to erase the shred of a memory that most people have left of you..."

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The problem here is that you introduced the $$$$$$ = talent debate.

So...................The Edge >>>>> Kirk since it is said the edge is worth over a half billion dollars.

KIrk just got lucky, more lucky than most and that cannot be debated.

 

[glassjaw7]

I'm sure Kirk really cares. "Oh please, guitarist from a borderline irrelevant B Grade hair band, don't hate on me. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to drive my 24k gold helicopter downtown, purchase the rights to your entire catalog, and have it destroyed to erase the shred of a memory that most people have left of you..."

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The problem here is that you introduced the $$$$$$ = talent debate.

So...................The Edge >>>>> Kirk since it is said the edge is worth over a half billion dollars.

KIrk just got lucky, more lucky than most and that cannot be debated.

Right. I mean after all, Nickelback is filthy rich from gargling marbles and playing broken boner rawk, but that doesn't mean those silly boys can play their instrumentz. Also,
there is no way a Wizard MM OT could have blown, there is a guy who is an endorsee and demos the amps at Namm and the amp shows who knows the seller of that amp you bought and says he is a stand up guy

 

[Motorpud]

Decided to skip the rest of Kip and go straight for prize eh?

 

[degenaro]

Kirk wasn't bad in the 80s and he has written shitload of good riffs... Reb seems to be quite bitter about the whole episode.

That has also come across my mind, Reb is going to have this come back at him at some point

Dude, he always had a tendency of sticking both feet in his mouth in interviews. In the 80s he did some interview/round table with some other shred guys and the question was during a seance you get to talk to Jimi what you say to him? Reb Beach's response was something alnong the lines of "dude, you shoulda played in tune"...

Personally, the fucking "I rather be a stand up guy than politically correct" BS is for the birds. You don't throw guys you're working with under the bus, and you don't shit where you eat. All the "I coulda been a contender" bitterness is a waste of time, shit is what it is.

 

[thiswaythatway]

It's like Hendrix, the man could be the sloppiest live player you've ever heard and he wasn't the most technically proficient, even for his era...but you can't deny his appeal and the inspiration he gave that made countless guitarists we love these days pick up a guitar to begin with.

See now that's what i don't agree with, and it's not like Hendrix at all. Kirk isn't the inspiration, it's more Metallica as a band. And the FACT is, if Metallica dumped Kirk tomorrow they wouldn't miss a beat and they'd be better. Kirk would release some shitty solo album and fade.

I don't think so man. Kirk wrote the main riff for Enter Sandman, which completely changed the band's level of success and had a huge effect on rock and metal music. He is also the glue that holds that mess of a band together. Besides, Metallica's songs have never been about insane flashy lead guitar work a la Marty Friedman. They are all about the melodic memorable solos that you remember and hum in the shower while thinking about 'barzini or psychodave's legs.

And that's about the time i stopped listening to Metallica. Kirk also ripped off the lead from Hearts Magic Man for the Sandman solo, he pretty much admitted to it during an interview. And i fast forward over most every Metallica solo post Puppets.

 

[nevusofota]

First off, I just want to say I love shredding and good technique, but how many people can hum a Reb Beach solo? Most of my non -guitar-playing friends growing up would sing the black album, including solos. Live, the crowd would sing the notes of the solo just as loud as the lyrics. This is a guitarist forum, we look and listen for different things in our music. We have a high standard. The general public buys/listens to music that moves or creates emotion, besides isn't that what music is all about? Just because the technique is faster, more fluid, more "in-tune", and more difficult, doesn't mean it's going to entice emotion (though it does in ME). So who's the better guitar player, one who has better technique or one that moves emotions in more listeners?
Ok, I'm done being serious, now back to speeding up my diminished seventh runs.

This brings back memories of back in the day when my friend and I would have hour long debates over who is "better". Yngwie or Nuno?

 

[Wagster]

The average person doesn't give a shit about the guitar solo if the song sucks. IMO it's not cool to rag other musicians. Reb came off like a douche in that interview.

 

[NewWorldMan]

The problem here is that you introduced the $$$$$$ = talent debate.

So...................The Edge >>>>> Kirk since it is said the edge is worth over a half billion dollars.

KIrk just got lucky, more lucky than most and that cannot be debated.

I never once said $$ = talent. I said that I'm sure Kirk, who has all the fame/success/$$ that he does, probably doesn't give a shit what some guitarist from a B Grade hair metal band thinks of him.

 

[toxikdeth]

Hay guys if the guitarist who made the most money was the greatest then that guy who played the solo for beat it would be the....oh wait.

 

[jaybird]

Hammett was really lucky that Mustaine was too out of control the band had to fire him, otherwise we would never would have been treated to the nervous vibrato

Although it comes across weak what Reb said, he is basically not wrong. Back in that era where shred had really taken off there were countless guitarists on the scene that were more talented for shred / metal solos, at least as far as technical proficiency is concerned. Taste is another thing entirely.

Love'em or not, you do have to respect the work the entire band did, including Hammett - changed the face of rock / metal music permanently. I still think it was pretty lame of Metallica to continue to use music that Mustaine wrote after they fired him though even 2 albums later.

 

[kasperjensen]

Lars actually completed the Enter Sandman riff. Kirk wrote the whole thing without the G/F*/E chug to end the phrase...

So....