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VonBonfire
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I wonder what his blues chops were like?
rsm
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He was more into classical; rumors were that he planned to leave Ozzy to study classical guitar IIRC
70 Mach 1
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Damn. What did Iive about another year.
Definitely classically trained
Definitely classically trained
alund
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I’ve not seen that one. What could have been ……
griff10672
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that and I think from some of the recent interviews I've seen with people that were around the " camp " at the time .... saying he was already getting tired of Sharon's managerial performance ...... especially something about he didn't want to do an album with Sabbath tunes on it ... I guess it was supposed to happen after Diary .... what ended up being Speak of the Devil maybe ?? which I always thought was a "hurry up and get something out there" ... after Randy had passed
Floyd Eye
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Sarzo outlines it pretty well in his book. Randy was definitely leaving. The deal was he would do an album of Black Sabbath shit and that would fulfill his contractual obligation then he was out. He was not a sabbath fan and didn’t want to do the album, but he wanted out so….
Floyd Eye
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That’s been around for a long time. It’s not the only one, or it’s shortened. You can hear parts that eventually wound up being Dee, Goodbye To Romance and other well known songs a few years later.
My thoughts on the performance are that it’s obvious he was a bad mother fucker even then, but the songs QR was writing weren’t particularly conducive to showcasing the depth of his playing. Once he began working with Bob Daisley the real magic happened. Daisley was a conduit. One of those guys who excelled at writing and arranging songs around someone’s particular talents. He was key. Daisley was largely responsible for the fusion of classical and metal that Randy brought to the world. And he was a very interesting and talented bassist to boot.
jabps
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Yep, he hated playing the Sabbath stuff. When I listen to it it's almost as if he's thumbing his nose at Ozzy with all the fills and leads. There's alot out there on youtube of him doing the Sabbath stuff. However there is one version of him doing Paranoid and he just shreds the fuck out it. If Randy had recorded Speak that album would have been huge.
He was leaving, no doubt about that. Seems like the only debatable point is would Speak of the Devil have been his last work or did he agree to doing that and one more studio album.
I personally think he was gone after Speak because he had to threaten to leave the band on the Diary tour rehearsals because he had not been paid. Then during that tour when Sharon told the band about doing Speak, Randy and Tommy basically said no. Rudy admittedly said he was to chicken shit to take a side but not long after Randy agreed to do it and informed he would be leaving afterwards; that's when Ozzy punched him in the face. I just don't see how you're doing another album with a guy when from the get go you've been lied to starting with the Blizzard of Ozz actually being a band vs. Ozzy's solo project up unto the point your getting suckered punched in the mug.
Of course after he passes, Sharon had his contract rewritten. Delores took them to court for unpaid royalties but eventually dropped the lawsuit, I'm hope she at least settled out of court with them. Obviously they ripped off Bob, Lee and Jake. That's been well reported.
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MusicIsLife
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A lot of his early influences were 3rd gen blues players like Leslie West and Mick Ronson. Lots of Page early on too. It's funny that he never dabbled much with it later on though. You hear the occasional quotes, but more often the permutations of minor scale and blues scale, treated more like a diatonic scale with chromatic insertions.
thegame
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That’s like asking what was Da Vinci’s crayon coloring book technique like?
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VonBonfire
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I suppose if your blues chops suck ass you'd think that.
Floyd Eye
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According to Rudy SOTD was agreed upon as his last record with Ozzy. It was agreed that it would take the place of the studio album he was contractually obliged to do. Rudy also claimed Randy banged Sharon at some point. We’ll never know the truth but I don’t think Rudy had any reason to lie about it at that point.
Every time I see an interview where Ozzy is going on about how much he loved Randy it makes me hate Ozzy a little more. No matter what anyone says my opinion will always be that Ozzy approved the removal of Lee and Bob ‘s tracks from the album and that Ozzy was a terrible human being. And other than her kids I doubt too many people would argue that Sharon isn’t a piece of shit.
Geo
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The bow tie and vest were gay, just ask @thegame.
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MusicIsLife
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My first real awareness of Randy was when Tribute came out, and all the guitar mags were featuring him, rehashing interviews from 81/82, new interviews with people who knew him. Then interviews with Ozzy (and maybe even tidbits from Sharon), talking about how they were best friends, family, musical soulmates, etc. I hadn't even been playing a year then, but he's a big part of why I ended up with a degree in music.
And then later reading how abusive Ozzy would be towards him-sober or not, the manipulation from both Sharon and Ozzy, and how ready Randy was to bounce as soon as he met his obligation. It's no secret that Ozzy and Sharon built a lot of their success on screwing over the same people that wrote the music that kept him on the map. Even making Randy's mom fight for earnings/royalties that they owed his estate.
But they knew people loved Randy, and there was money to be made by attaching themselves to that. Even 40 years ago, already creating a fake Disney version of things in order to profit from the public's affection for their dead guitarist. Once Sharon's gone, I hope people are more willing to talk openly about what complete shit bags they both were.
And then later reading how abusive Ozzy would be towards him-sober or not, the manipulation from both Sharon and Ozzy, and how ready Randy was to bounce as soon as he met his obligation. It's no secret that Ozzy and Sharon built a lot of their success on screwing over the same people that wrote the music that kept him on the map. Even making Randy's mom fight for earnings/royalties that they owed his estate.
But they knew people loved Randy, and there was money to be made by attaching themselves to that. Even 40 years ago, already creating a fake Disney version of things in order to profit from the public's affection for their dead guitarist. Once Sharon's gone, I hope people are more willing to talk openly about what complete shit bags they both were.
jabps
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Yep, that's why I say "arguable" because other people say Speak, one more studio album and tour and then gone. And then his brother says something completely different than that.
I'm like you, I think the guy was gone. The whole tour started badly with him having to threaten to quit in rehearsals just to get paid, SOTD was a money grab because the publishing deal with Sabbath mgmt. had expired. Ozzy could get royalties by re-recording the songs and the reason Sabbath released a live album as well at the time. Ozzy fired the entire band before he pissed on the Alamo, RR eventually agreed to do the album but told them he was gone afterwards and he got suckered punched by Ozzy who was threatening to replace him with other guitarists if he didn't fall in line.
Dude was gone. And yes, total agreement on Ozzy. There's no way in hell those tracks were removed without him knowing, that was the last straw for me.
I listen to those two albums all the time but Ozzy is just the vocalist. Nothing more. I listen to it as if it's Randy and Bobs band.
Floyd Eye
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Especially since for most of the recording of them he was drunk passed out under the riser or something. If it wasn’t for Bob and Randy Ozzy would have either faded to oblivion or had to go back to Sabbath. The band was supposed to be called Blizzard of Oz, not Ozzy Osborne with BOO being just the album title. So straight away it was clear how it was gonna go. Ozzy getting all the credit is bullshit.
I remember when Bark at the Moon came out. I wasn’t impressed and immediately thought it was the beginning of the end for Ozzy. I guess I was wrong about that, but in my opinion the last killer Ozzy album or even the last one worth listening to was Diary of a Madman. I know guys here disagree, but that’s my opinion. After Randy, Ozzy was just a random dude out of a thousand on the radio. By then I was hearing Number of the Beast and before long Piece of Mind dropped. That’s the last time I paid any serious attention to Ozzy.
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legend71
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I think you are right on point with this take.
