Someone please tell me what the deal is with Blackmachine?

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Don't see anything wrong with it.....it might be a lot of money, but what else are you going to spend it on? Sure, you could buy 10 ESPs for that money, but what if you've already GOT 10 ESPs?

You guys think that when you've bought everything you've ever wanted to, GAS just stops? Eventually you have to up your game....you can only buy so many ESPs or Historic Gibsons before you're done with that phase of the process.

Eventually, if you've done this long enough, you go one of two ways. You either stop and keep what you like, or you go the other route and buy more stuff, that just happens to be more expensive than most people have.

It's a matter of perspective.....people around here flip modded Friedmans/Fortins/Diezels like some people do 6505s or 300 series LTDs, and some of the guys on TGP flip custom built Suhrs that they've had for a week and some guys on MLP flip 60 yr old Les Pauls, and guys like Mehtab and Zack and Steve flip Skervesens and custom ESPs and Caparisons and BMs and KLs.

All just different stages of the same thing: GAS.

You might say that you'd never pay 20k for a guitar, but if it's completely disposable income and you use it to make your music, why wouldn't you?

Random thoughts while drinking. :D Carry on.
 
metalmaniac93":2gnsbddf said:
Jeff Loomis plays Schecter!! Enough said!!
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Get PAID to play Schecter you mean? :thumbsup:

Also, if you are pulling that card, you should see what Loomis' guitarist just demo'd and said was one of the greatest guitars he had ever even imagined.

Loomis said it too. ;)
 
I'm not going to knock someone for being able to either play, afford or own a high/higher end guitar. But something occurred to me after looking through this thread again.

So out of curiosity, what makes a handmade guitar; with a price range upwards of $10,000 USD that much better than a guitar that can be had for $2,500 used? Is it myopia that gives some of y'all the impression that you'll be that much better off for having this instrument? Does it pain some of you to play something off the shelf? I understand the merit(s) in being able to buy whatever you want, hell I did the same with getting my amp modded etc. but when/where do you draw the line?

I think it's comical for both sides of the fence too, to poke and prod the other as though if you're unable to afford the want, then you're out of touch and jealous just as much as we condemn those who can afford them. There is an air of elitism around this and many other wants that fall into this bracket though.

I could honestly give a fuck less about a guitar that would cost me more than $2000 USD. I know that it's the practice, not the gear that makes me better.

But I'm left with this:

If these BM guitars are the cat's meow, why do you guys flip them? If whatever piece of vogue gear is so amazing, why do you sell/flip that? I know we talk about the tone chase, etc. but when does it come down to more than just boyhood dreams of playing/owning what our idols used? Do you actually gig this gear out or is a wall ornament?

A lot of questions to be answered but I guess I'm one of the few that just doesn't 'get' it.
 
I dont see anything wrong with people buying what they want or can afford. Can I afford one or want one?
Hell no! :lol: :LOL:
But thats just me. If we didnt have levels or steps....or different tastes....etc...
we would all be playing Squire strats right?
Different strokes.....Diff folks. ;)
 
Stealthtastic":m0pib39z said:
I have owned guitars by almost every boutique builder and my blackmachine at them for breakfast.

I had a wtb out offering 15 for a b7 and not a single person would sell me theirs till I upped the amount significantly - that should say enough about how awesome they are.

Also if you think they are high prices you would cringe to hear what the last 2011 one sold for or even the new 2013.

I've also noticed the only people that hate on them are people who usually don't have much experience with high end instruments or have never played one
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Says the guy buying and selling them. ;)

Not knocking anyone for buying or selling them. I couldn't afford it and couldn't imagine spending that amount on a guitar.
 
Aristocat":3ark00m8 said:
I'm not going to knock someone for being able to either play, afford or own a high/higher end guitar. But something occurred to me after looking through this thread again.

So out of curiosity, what makes a handmade guitar; with a price range upwards of $10,000 USD that much better than a guitar that can be had for $2,500 used? Is it myopia that gives some of y'all the impression that you'll be that much better off for having this instrument? Does it pain some of you to play something off the shelf? I understand the merit(s) in being able to buy whatever you want, hell I did the same with getting my amp modded etc. but when/where do you draw the line?

I think it's comical for both sides of the fence too, to poke and prod the other as though if you're unable to afford the want, then you're out of touch and jealous just as much as we condemn those who can afford them. There is an air of elitism around this and many other wants that fall into this bracket though.

I could honestly give a fuck less about a guitar that would cost me more than $2000 USD. I know that it's the practice, not the gear that makes me better.

But I'm left with this:

If these BM guitars are the cat's meow, why do you guys flip them? If whatever piece of vogue gear is so amazing, why do you sell/flip that? I know we talk about the tone chase, etc. but when does it come down to more than just boyhood dreams of playing/owning what our idols used? Do you actually gig this gear out or is a wall ornament?

A lot of questions to be answered but I guess I'm one of the few that just doesn't 'get' it.
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Over thinking it. Whether it's exclusivity, quality, or etc., people buy what they buy because they get some satisfaction out of it, however they're using it (wall ornament or gigging guitar or ashtray or whatever). People just enjoy different things, including some folks like $20k guitars, and some even have the cash to buy them. That's really all there is.

Personally, what bugs me is we've got a whole thread about $20k guitars and I don't see any pics for me to gawk at.
 
I imagine if my savings had a couple extra 0s I might understand and "get it"
 
Other than you have something that most people can't afford....I would like to hear what people that own them think are really better about them than say a Tom Anderson, ESP custom shop or a Suhr?
 
sah5150":dy3o6zfd said:
I am always amazed at the responses garnered by certain topics… But I have to say, the most intensely negative responses I see are reserved for high end, high dollar gear like BM. I don't get the negativity, and as I've said before, I don't understand why people have to bag on people who spend large buckets of cash for gear. Obviously, they can afford it, otherwise they wouldn't be doing it, right? Who cares what other people do with their cash? Is there cheaper stuff that can get the job done? Sure, but once you are talking much over $3K, it isn't about just getting the job done anymore. Is hype possibly responsible for the high prices? I'm sure that factors in on some gear, but I don't see what that matters. If something is worth it to someone, it's all good with me.

Of course, I laid out a pile of cash and and still have 1.5 years to wait on a Bartlett guitar, so maybe I'm a bad guy to evaluate the situation… :)

Steve
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Nope, you nailed it Steve. :thumbsup:
 
snowdog":msnqefwl said:
Other than you have something that most people can't afford....I would like to hear what people that own them think are really better about them than say a Tom Anderson, ESP custom shop or a Suhr?
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REALLY different. Not trying to sound like a dick at all, promise! A blackmachine is unique. That's why people want them. They truly don't compare in many ways to those guitars.
 
do they harbor "secret frequencies".. seriously, I don't think anyone here really cares how someone spends their money.. but there are more opinions out there than the same five guys on this forum who sit around and have conversations with themselves. Now, do these guitars produce a better sounding A chord than those ESP's???
 
engage757":efxqnfg6 said:
They are cool man. EXTREMELY popular in certain circles...BM owners are a tight knit group for the most part. Most BM B2/B7/B8/F8's move behind the scenes to other BM owners
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The Blackmachine owners may frown on me revealing this, but here's an exclusive sneak peak into one of their weekly private gatherings where they flip axes to each other (amongst other things)
 
First off, I want to say that the sound cloud clip of loomis' guitarist playing battery through a Blackmachine sounds below average. The tone sounds digital, like it is a cheap ibanez going through a metal zone pedal. The playing is tight though. If this is meant to some how show this guitar in a good light, it did the exact opposite. Loomis' tone on his video is inferior to his regular tone as well, faces and all.

That said, hearing that the builder of these guitars doesn't build guitars full time convinced me that this is a serious and sad case of internet hype. If is frankly insulting to full time guitar builders that the best among them is an part timer. I concede that he may be "talented" at building guitars, but this is akin to stating that the best guitarist is a part timer also who is an accountant on the side. Please.

When BM owners are described as a tight knit group, moving behind the scenes with other BM owners, because putting one up for sale publicly makes you an asshole, I makes me think of a cult. The group needs to be tight knit in order to keep their delusion alive. These guitars are worth whatever they are worth because of simple economics: supply and demand. Please don't make them out to be more than that.

Btw, I wouldn't sell my 1992 les paul standard for $20,000 either. Too much sentimental value for me. Does that mean that it is worth that?
 
acalaf":1hrtrayx said:
First off, I want to say that the sound cloud clip of loomis' guitarist playing battery through a Blackmachine sounds below average. The tone sounds digital, like it is a cheap ibanez going through a metal zone pedal. The playing is tight though. If this is meant to some how show this guitar in a good light, it did the exact opposite. Loomis' tone on his video is inferior to his regular tone as well, faces and all.

That said, hearing that the builder of these guitars doesn't build guitars full time convinced me that this is a serious and sad case of internet hype. If is frankly insulting to full time guitar builders that the best among them is an part timer. I concede that he may be "talented" at building guitars, but this is akin to stating that the best guitarist is a part timer also who is an accountant on the side. Please.

When BM owners are described as a tight knit group, moving behind the scenes with other BM owners, because putting one up for sale publicly makes you an asshole, I makes me think of a cult. The group needs to be tight knit in order to keep their delusion alive. These guitars are worth whatever they are worth because of simple economics: supply and demand. Please don't make them out to be more than that.

Btw, I wouldn't sell my 1992 les paul standard for $20,000 either. Too much sentimental value for me. Does that mean that it is worth that?
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No because your cult isn't as cool.
 
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