Someone please tell me what the deal is with Blackmachine?

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metalmaniac93":g1ulcj73 said:
xzyryabx":g1ulcj73 said:
BM is a classic story of Hype.
1) Small luthier builds nice guitars (nothing magical about them though, very simple, but seem to be well-made, but no better than other other well-made guitar)
2) b/c he's a small luthier, guitars are in small numbers
3) emo core bands (in this case namely Periphery and that Misha guy) that want to be unique pick up one of his instruments and say they are the be-all-and-end-all of guitars (for this month/year)
4) hype is created
5) fan-boys, especially on SSO (many of whom believe tone-woods concept is a myth) go head over heels for them
6) hype goes crazy
7) small luthier is small so not many more get made, and eventually sees hes making as much by working much less and decides to milk it.
8) ppl like engage see $$$ and try keep the hype going
9) same guitars are now outsourced to a different company and now don't fetch 1/4 of the previous price. Either Doug had some magical hands and woods and glue or the reality of the situation is starting to sink in.
10) end of story. It all has to do w/ exclusivity. some w/ Picassos minus the genius.
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I think you nailed it!!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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He has zero idea what he is talking about. Doug and Jon are good friends of mine and I can tell you, he has no idea other than what he reads on ss.org, ironically, a site that adores BM so so much, they banned Jon of BM for commenting on how long a build time would be, and banned Steve here for posting a BM NGD.

Edit: maybe someday you should realize that posting nothing but hearsay and speculation is what creates hype. Not me. Although, it really is nice to think of me of having such influence, that I can control what people across the world decide is a fair price for these guitars. Typical SSO bullshit. I was part of MK Ultra if you listen to them. IF we are going by that logic, your PL is only worth $500. SELL IT TO ME. :D
 
xzyryabx":13i9q0jf said:
BM is a classic story of Hype.
1) Small luthier builds nice guitars (nothing magical about them though, very simple, but seem to be well-made, but no better than other other well-made guitar)
2) b/c he's a small luthier, guitars are in small numbers
3) emo core bands (in this case namely Periphery and that Misha guy) that want to be unique pick up one of his instruments and say they are the be-all-and-end-all of guitars (for this month/year)
4) hype is created
5) fan-boys, especially on SSO (many of whom believe tone-woods concept is a myth) go head over heels for them
6) hype goes crazy
7) small luthier is small so not many more get made, and eventually sees hes making as much by working much less and decides to milk it.
8) ppl like engage see $$$ and try keep the hype going
9) same guitars are now outsourced to a different company and now don't fetch 1/4 of the previous price. Either Doug had some magical hands and woods and glue or the reality of the situation is starting to sink in.
10) end of story. It all has to do w/ exclusivity. some w/ Picassos minus the genius.
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I'm tired of seeing you frequently post things that are outright bullshit. The b6 model has ALWAYS been cheaper and has ALWAYS been made by feline guitars in the UK with some of Doug's assistance.

And seeing as you have never played one they aren't hype. Let me ask you something, if they were hype why did so many people turn down $15000? I know guys that bought them for a fact around $3000 and still wouldn't sell even if they would have made $12000.

I like how you haven't even played one or been near one yet call them hype.
 
Starting to see why SSO just locks BM threads. Butt hurt all around. People that can't afford them whine, and people that have them desperately try to justify them (they maybe be wonderful guitars, but you can't deny how large a role.internet hype plays in their cost; so owners can't just let ridiculous unfounded criticisms go without fear that the bottom could.fall put on their investment).

Whatever. If you can't afford it, just don't worry about it. If you can and you want one, good luck finding one. That's pretty much all there is to it.
 
What did I say that was wrong?
Their worth is due to them being well-made, hyped up, then made in small numbers.
At the end of the day they are worth what people will pay for them.
Do I think that any guitar is worth more than 5k? Hell no. I don't give a damn if god came down to earth and built it himself. But that's just my opinion. No need to give yourself a hernia debating his.

edit: engage, you're a douche
 
xzyryabx":vdqub6h7 said:
What did I say that was wrong?
Their worth is due to them being well-made, hyped up, then made in small numbers.
At the end of the day they are worth what people will pay for them.
Do I think that any guitar is worth more than 5k? Hell no. I don't give a damn if god came down to earth and built it himself. But that's just my opinion. No need to give yourself a hernia debating his.

edit: engage, you're a douche
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You will learn someday, or remained mired in your ignorance. It really doesn't matter to me, or any of the other BM players on the planet. If anything, it makes my guitars more highly valued, thanks hype-man! :thumbsup:
You are more than welcome to have your opinion, even if, factually, it's dead wrong. You can keep saying it too, doesn't make it right in the slightest.

Edit: well, I guess that means I get closer to vagina then you ever will, so I'll TAKE IT! :lol: :LOL: :D :rock:

Double Edit: Since apparently we are back in Middle School. ^
 
cardinal":1jjrridn said:
Starting to see why SSO just locks BM threads. Butt hurt all around. People that can't afford them whine, and people that have them desperately try to justify them (they maybe be wonderful guitars, but you can't deny how large a role.internet hype plays in their cost; so owners can't just let ridiculous unfounded criticisms go without fear that the bottom could.fall put on their investment).

Whatever. If you can't afford it, just don't worry about it. If you can and you want one, good luck finding one. That's pretty much all there is to it.
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It has nothing to do with it. If ANYTHING, the hype has started to destroy the instrument for me. Ever picked up a guitar that you absolutely adore, that does EVERYTHING you want it to do, fits you perfectly, plugged it in and suddenly remember before you start to play, that someone just sold the EXACT SAME GUITAR for $15-20k last month?

If you are anything like me, the guitar starts to go back down, into a case. I am not going to risk hurting what apparently, now, is a $18k instrument. Back to my beat to shit caparisons and first act custom shops. At least I can play them and not worry.

But I agree on the last line of your statement. You think any Stradivarius owner would listen/care if someone told them their violin wasn't worth that? no.
 
MikeDV":2onpbeuw said:
Interesting article just published about the relative cost of professional instruments and actual pro musicians.

https://www.premierguitar.com/articles/2 ... uch?page=1
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Great article, however particularly notable is that high end jazz boxes have more in common with a violin than a telecaster. A solid body, bolt-on neck guitar just isn't as hard to make as a hollow body jazz box.

Black Machines are really nice guitars. I'd say they're worth every bit the money they originally sold for. The ridiculous used pricing, however, is simply due to supply/demand, and a lot of internet hype. They're no better than any other high end solid body custom guitar in BM's original, sold new price range.
 
polaris20":bqc3mwxo said:
Black Machines are really nice guitars. I'd say they're worth every bit the money they originally sold for. The ridiculous used pricing, however, is simply due to supply/demand
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:yes:
 
jlbaxe":19vnb844 said:
Im waiting for the Blackmachine SE :lol: :LOL:
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There's plenty of them around. Blackmachine spawned a few dozen copycat's and garage hack luthiers to make similar guitars available to the masses at more affordable prices.
 
steve_k":1arh5lu2 said:
jlbaxe":1arh5lu2 said:
Im waiting for the Blackmachine SE :lol: :LOL:
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There's plenty of them around. Blackmachine spawned a few dozen copycat's and garage hack luthiers to make similar guitars available to the masses at more affordable prices.
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Oh yeah. Skervesen, Ormsby Hypemachine, Mercer, any number of copies available.
 
JimmyBlind":3qtg5qtr said:
xzyryabx":3qtg5qtr said:
BM is a classic story of Hype.
1) Small luthier builds nice guitars (nothing magical about them though, very simple, but seem to be well-made, but no better than other other well-made guitar)
2) b/c he's a small luthier, guitars are in small numbers
3) emo core bands (in this case namely Periphery and that Misha guy) that want to be unique pick up one of his instruments and say they are the be-all-and-end-all of guitars (for this month/year)
4) hype is created
5) fan-boys, especially on SSO (many of whom believe tone-woods concept is a myth) go head over heels for them
6) hype goes crazy
7) small luthier is small so not many more get made, and eventually sees hes making as much by working much less and decides to milk it.
8) ppl like engage see $$$ and try keep the hype going
9) same guitars are now outsourced to a different company and now don't fetch 1/4 of the previous price. Either Doug had some magical hands and woods and glue or the reality of the situation is starting to sink in.
10) end of story. It all has to do w/ exclusivity. some w/ Picassos minus the genius.
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I don't think that's an entirely fair evaluation of BM guitars. :aww: They really are excellent, every one of them unique & hand made from the very best exotic woods Doug could lay his hands on. They were also being played & hyped by several notable artists in the UK, namely Pin from Sikth, long before Bulb was even uploading bedroom-produced tracks on sound cloud & periphery had even been conceptualized. I'd wager that Pin played an integral part in Misha's decision to buy one.
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This is accurate.
 
UberschallEL34":3h818g3x said:
his inlay work is second to none :yes:
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Absolutely agreed, although, I think Ken Lawrence is fairly close! :)
 
I have owned some really nice guitars over the years but i never came across a blackmachine.
I must say i am curious but i am not willing to pay the prices people are asking.
Im sure they are very nice guitars and sound great, i cant imagine it can be better built than my kenneth lawrence explorer but i guess its a different style and feel. Maybe someday i will meet somebody that has one and i can see what the hype is about.

Are all blackmachine guitars bolt on???
 
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