Strong hints that Van Halen 1 68 lead was just a slave amp and not the main amp.

First there is only one freaking picture of the Van Halen 1 in recording studio it's this one :
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second the testimonies in tone talk are clear the jbl d120f were used to fill the holes in the upper cabs and were dummy pickups : not connected.

people saw the cab with david lee roth : the myth was born the rumor spread, they tried the speaker and it sounded good. However it's highly probable that in reality it was bass frequency greenbacks g12h30 55hz with lead 20w greenbacks g12m20 75hz.
If that’s the only picture, how can you even see the dust cap from that angle? You can’t. Just the fact that this is the only publicly released
photo gives more weight and probability to the possibility that stuff can move in/out of the main recording room. And was there an iso room for other cabinets/instruments, like virtually all major studios had in those days? By your logic, there couldn’t have been because you don’t have photos.
The RWTD iso tracks speak for themselves. For the JBL portion, no Celestion sounds like that, end of story. I can’t believe you don’t realize that. Tone talk’s priority is to help sell one stop shopping EVH in a single package Jose amps. It wouldn’t be good for business to disclose that a huge component in the real tone is a long out of production speaker that no one can duplicate.
 
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First there is only one freaking picture of the Van Halen 1 in recording studio it's this one :
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second the testimonies in tone talk are clear the jbl d120f were used to fill the holes in the upper cabs and were dummy pickups : not connected.

people saw the cab with david lee roth : the myth was born the rumor spread, they tried the speaker and it sounded good. However it's highly probable that in reality it was bass frequency greenbacks g12h30 55hz with lead 20w greenbacks g12m20 75hz.
Okay, your officially trolling. From the angle of that cab it os impossible to see anywhere near the dust caps. And on Van Halen II it is probable that he had abandoned using them do blowing them up or fatigue from the brightness as it isn't as bright as VH1.
 
If that’s the only picture, how can you even see the dust cap from that angle? You can’t. Just the fact that this is the only publicly released
photo gives more weight and probability to the possibility that stuff can move in/out of the main recording room. And was there an iso room for other cabinets/instruments, like virtually all major studios had in those days? By your logic, there couldn’t have been because you don’t have photos.
The RWTD iso tracks speak for themselves. For the JBL portion, no Celestion sounds like that, end of story. I can’t believe you don’t realize that. Tone talk’s priority is to help sell one stop shopping EVH in a single package Jose amps. It wouldn’t be good for business to disclose that a huge component in the real tone is a long out of production speaker that no one can duplicate.
Exactly.

Denial, denial, denial. Apparently, to the OP he HAS to discredit the JBLs since it's the totally obvious solution to the 'sizzle' that we hear on VH1. Anyone who has played them, can easily hear captain obvious when it comes to VH1 tone.
We can all hear the difference in tone between VH1 and II.....and, we all know he didn't use the 120s on any other album.

OP, how about the isolated tracks between the M20s and the JBLs? Can you NOT hear the difference? And, no there's NO chance any H30 ever sounded like the iso JBL guitar. Anyone who's ever played an H30 knows this. TOTALLY different sound. Like, not even close. It's kinda comical actually to suggest that iso track is an H30. For reference, I've owned Pulsonic H30s, Blackback H30s, Heritage H30s, H30 Anniversary, and still own a pair of 1966 H25s. None of those even remotely resemble that JBL Iso track.
Just face the facts...JBL 120s are PROVEN to be used to record VH1.
It's UNDENIABLE.
 
How on Earth did I miss this thread? So much info and secrets. It's about time we got to the bottom of all of this. Ed's tone was the best if you think about it. We should all feel free to talk about it finally. :dunno:
 
Okay, your officially trolling. From the angle of that cab it os impossible to see anywhere near the dust caps. And on Van Halen II it is probable that he had abandoned using them do blowing them up or fatigue from the brightness as it isn't as bright as VH1.
Man the photo is angled a tlittle bit the silver domes were chrome and higly reflective moreover you can even see a strong flash dot from the camera... you would see it.

Let me just find the testimony and episode talking about those cabs and i will show you it might take some time. i alway thought that the pictures to prove that the cab was not from van halen 1 would be enough... but apparently it isn't...

Just listen how bad it sounds, nothing do to with evh at all :



Lastly look at the van halen 2 session record no jbl d120f in there... while he was still using some live...

i tell you he didn't used them because he didin't want to to have 4 vertical speakers he wanted to stop at 3 because it would be too loud. He used to fill the cabs i don't invent it. It was from a testimony of someone who knew van halen very well, i can't remember the name but he claimed it on a tone talk episode.

another thing is that jim gaustaad sounds good with it it's because he uses a lot of studio devices like the pulltec and console eq to bring them closer to what the record sounded. However Peggy the audio sound assistant from sounset sound explicitely claimed that sunset sound were known to not alter the tone of original bands that's why most of the bands came to them. So knowing their reputation they didn't alter tone but just did some minor alterations and added lush reverb on it.
 
It's sounds like total ass if you have unpowered speakers in a 4x12.
You loose a ton of lowend, so i doubt that theorie
 
Man the photo is angled a tlittle bit the silver domes were chrome and higly reflective moreover you can even see a strong flash dot from the camera... you would see it.

Let me just find the testimony and episode talking about those cabs and i will show you it might take some time. i alway thought that the pictures to prove that the cab was not from van halen 1 would be enough... but apparently it isn't...

Just listen how bad it sounds, nothing do to with evh at all :



Lastly look at the van halen 2 session record no jbl d120f in there... while he was still using some live...

i tell you he didn't used them because he didin't want to to have 4 vertical speakers he wanted to stop at 3 because it would be too loud. He used to fill the cabs i don't invent it. It was from a testimony of someone who knew van halen very well, i can't remember the name but he claimed it on a tone talk episode.

another thing is that jim gaustaad sounds good with it it's because he uses a lot of studio devices like the pulltec and console eq to bring them closer to what the record sounded. However Peggy the audio sound assistant from sounset sound explicitely claimed that sunset sound were known to not alter the tone of original bands that's why most of the bands came to them. So knowing their reputation they didn't alter tone but just did some minor alterations and added lush reverb on it.

No, you would not. You are full of shit. I went over to my own cab and the domes are nowhere near in view, obscured by at least 3/4 inch by the cab. Sad you wasted 10 years of your life chasing a tone you could have had long ago by simply trying the JBL's. except you didn't because you are a troll or on the spectrum if you believe what you typed
 
Man the photo is angled a tlittle bit the silver domes were chrome and higly reflective moreover you can even see a strong flash dot from the camera... you would see it.

Let me just find the testimony and episode talking about those cabs and i will show you it might take some time. i alway thought that the pictures to prove that the cab was not from van halen 1 would be enough... but apparently it isn't...

Just listen how bad it sounds, nothing do to with evh at all :



Lastly look at the van halen 2 session record no jbl d120f in there... while he was still using some live...

i tell you he didn't used them because he didin't want to to have 4 vertical speakers he wanted to stop at 3 because it would be too loud. He used to fill the cabs i don't invent it. It was from a testimony of someone who knew van halen very well, i can't remember the name but he claimed it on a tone talk episode.

another thing is that jim gaustaad sounds good with it it's because he uses a lot of studio devices like the pulltec and console eq to bring them closer to what the record sounded. However Peggy the audio sound assistant from sounset sound explicitely claimed that sunset sound were known to not alter the tone of original bands that's why most of the bands came to them. So knowing their reputation they didn't alter tone but just did some minor alterations and added lush reverb on it.

Well, of course he didn't use JBLs for VHII....because he SAID he didn't use them...AND IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE IT!!!!!!!

That is a very easy conclusion. VHI=sizzle, due to JBLs. VHII=NO sizzle, due to only greenbacks used to record.
DUH.

At that angle, for the VHI pic NO CHANCE YOU COULD SEE THE DUSTCAPS. No chance. I've had a pair of JBL 123s, and 120s in a cab with GBs and those dust caps CANNOT be seen from than angle. Hell, even if you put freaking Christmas lights in there YOU WOULDN'T SEE THEM FROM THAT ANGLE.

You're putting all your JBL eggs in one basket, the Tone Talk peeps? Give me a break. Johan gives a nice example of the mix in that video. Although, in the room the sizzle is MUCH more evident to my ears.
 
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another thing is that jim gaustaad sounds good with it it's because he uses a lot of studio devices like the pulltec and console eq to bring them closer to what the record sounded. However Peggy the audio sound assistant from sounset sound explicitely claimed that sunset sound were known to not alter the tone of original bands that's why most of the bands came to them. So knowing their reputation they didn't alter tone but just did some minor alterations and added lush reverb on it.

I’d strongly suggest taking a rest from mining for nuggets of speculation about Ed’s old gear and learn a little more about how studios work. That’s such an open ended statement it doesn’t mean a thing in the context of Ed’s tone. Leave it up to a guitarist to assume Peggy was talking about the amp tones….

When a studio says they don’t change the sound of a band, they’re not talking about their individual tones as much as they are the overall presentation/sound of a band, which could require a mass amount of studio work and ‘trickery’ just as much as it could mean “Stick a pair of stereo mics in the room and let the band do their thing”.

Perfect example if Bob Rock talking about producing Metallica and how he felt they never captured their live sound on an album, then the result was the Black Album, which is practically a shining monument of using a studio to shape a sound and heavy EQ use. If you just stuck some mics in front of Metallica and did zero tweaking, it sure as fuck would not sound like Metallica live, nor Metallica on TBA.

What she was most certainly meaning was that when bands went to Sunset as a hard rock band, they didn’t leave with an album sounding like the Beach Boys or Roy Orbison.
 
Perfect example if Bob Rock talking about producing Metallica and how he felt they never captured their live sound on an album, then the result was the Black Album, which is practically a shining monument of using a studio to shape a sound and heavy EQ use. If you just stuck some mics in front of Metallica and did zero tweaking, it sure as fuck would not sound like Metallica live, nor Metallica on TBA.
you get metallica st. anger;)
 
Well, of course he didn't use JBLs for VHII....because he SAID he didn't use them...AND IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE IT!!!!!!!

That is a very easy conclusion. VHI=sizzle, due to JBLs. VHII=NO sizzle, due to only greenbacks used to record.
DUH.

At that angle, for the VHI pic NO CHANCE YOU COULD SEE THE DUSTCAPS. No chance. I've had a pair of JBL 123s, and 120s in a cab with GBs and those dust caps CANNOT be seen from than angle. Hell, even if you put freaking Christmas lights in there YOU WOULDN'T SEE THEM FROM THAT ANGLE.

You're putting all your JBL eggs in one basket, the Tone Talk peeps? Give me a break. Johan gives a nice example of the mix in that video. Although, in the room the sizzle is MUCH more evident to my ears.



deraps also mentions that he believes that no jbl d120f was used...

he mentions 2 types of greenbacks. probably 55hz and 75hz...

don't get me wrong deraps sounds extremely close here even in rwtd but he sitll lack bloom and a little bit of chewiness but it's almost perfect with a stock plexi.

let me some time to find that interview that will take some time but i'll make a video explaining everything in detail with every sources and quotes.

it's the same shit with people who believe 6ca7 were used in van halen 1 while it was german regular ERA brand tubes...

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deraps also mentions that he believes that no jbl d120f was used...

he mentions 2 types of greenbacks. probably 55hz and 75hz...

don't get me wrong deraps sounds extremely close here even in rwtd but he sitll lack bloom and a little bit of chewiness but it's almost perfect with a stock plexi.

let me some time to find that interview that will take some time but i'll make a video explaining everything in detail with every sources and quotes.

it's the same shit with people who believe 6ca7 were used in van halen 1 while it was german regular ERA brand tubes...

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I feel like Deraps proves the old adage " it's in the hands". The guy makes everything sound gainier than it is because he has a strong playing hand. That's part of the magic too. No light tough here, really digging in
 
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deraps also mentions that he believes that no jbl d120f was used...

he mentions 2 types of greenbacks. probably 55hz and 75hz...

don't get me wrong deraps sounds extremely close here even in rwtd but he sitll lack bloom and a little bit of chewiness but it's almost perfect with a stock plexi.

let me some time to find that interview that will take some time but i'll make a video explaining everything in detail with every sources and quotes.

it's the same shit with people who believe 6ca7 were used in van halen 1 while it was german regular ERA brand tubes...

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You mention Deraps like it matters. Who the fuck cares what a player who can cop Ed's feel thinks about what was used lol. His thoughts on the matter don't make a damn bit of difference.
Your continued almost psychotic denial of the FACTS are astounding. Because, it's very easy to explain the difference between VHI and II by adding/subtracting one thing....JBL D120s.

When it comes to power tubes, Ed mentioned long ago that he saved his supply of Sylvania/GE 6CA7s for recording since the road was eating up his tube supply. Btw, you don't have to change anything to run 6CA7s in an EL34 Marshall. Same tube with a few different sound characteristics. So he could easily just grab some Siemens 34s and throw them in for the road.

Again, have you played through JBLs? Have you played H30s? Which kinds? Cuz I have. And, there's NO WAY an H30, ANY subtype, will cop that high end sizzle that is EASILY attained with....
JBL D120s.
 
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