Strong hints that Van Halen 1 68 lead was just a slave amp and not the main amp.



I suppose you're going to now suggest that those power tubes AREN'T 6CA7s.
Look close...you can see the glass envelope of the tube wider than the base....and, the 3 vertical holes in the plate....
But yeah, Ed didn't record with 6CA7s. Nope.
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thegame said:
If that’s the only picture, how can you even see the dust cap from that angle? You can’t. Just the fact that this is the only publicly released
photo gives more weight and probability to the possibility that stuff can move in/out of the main recording room. And was there an iso room for other cabinets/instruments, like virtually all major studios had in those days? By your logic, there couldn’t have been because you don’t have photos.
The RWTD iso tracks speak for themselves. For the JBL portion, no Celestion sounds like that, end of story. I can’t believe you don’t realize that. Tone talk’s priority is to help sell one stop shopping EVH in a single package Jose amps. It wouldn’t be good for business to disclose that a huge component in the real tone is a long out of production speaker that no one can duplicate.
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What about this Boogie Mark I EVH used ?
 
BREAKING NEWS: the Edstein files have been fully leaked, confirming suspicions there were no JBLs used on VHIII either. Gary Cherone could not be reached for misguided speculation on the VH1 recording sessions. More to follow on this developing story…
 
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Racerxrated said:
You mention Deraps like it matters. Who the fuck cares what a player who can cop Ed's feel thinks about what was used lol. His thoughts on the matter don't make a damn bit of difference.
Your continued almost psychotic denial of the FACTS are astounding. Because, it's very easy to explain the difference between VHI and II by adding/subtracting one thing....JBL D120s.

When it comes to power tubes, Ed mentioned long ago that he saved his supply of Sylvania/GE 6CA7s for recording since the road was eating up his tube supply. Btw, you don't have to change anything to run 6CA7s in an EL34 Marshall. Same tube with a few different sound characteristics. So he could easily just grab some Siemens 34s and throw them in for the road.

Again, have you played through JBLs? Have you played H30s? Which kinds? Cuz I have. And, there's NO WAY an H30, ANY subtype, will cop that high end sizzle that is EASILY attained with....
JBL D120s.
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man you have to mix 20watt greenbacks with pre rola 55hz g12h30 or blakbacks g12h30. A lot of people mentionned that the blackback g12h30 55hz also gives them the perfect vh tone.

There are some pictures of the flag systems cabs used by eddie in the 80's and it's full of black backs :
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for the sizzle my theory is that it comes from the jtm45/100 when it has a modded 68 slaved into it not from the speakers or the eventides.
 
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Racerxrated said:


I suppose you're going to now suggest that those power tubes AREN'T 6CA7s.
Look close...you can see the glass envelope of the tube wider than the base....and, the 3 vertical holes in the plate....
But yeah, Ed didn't record with 6CA7s. Nope.
:ROFLMAO:
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this is van halen 2 not van halen 1... i'm talking about van halen 1... Eddie even said to dave friedman and dave mentionned it in a tone talk his favourite tubes were regular el34 telefunken...

whatever mod was in the 68 lead after van halen 1 made them bias hotter to preserve tubes they had to chose tubes that could take more heat. Techs admitted that ed's plexi was biased around 80mv stock standard marshall are around 30mv... that just tells you how hot it is. But with the variac it compensate a little bit. The 6ca7 were probably chosen because it could whitstand those heats without melting and because eddie also liked the tone but that's only since van halen 2.

lastly a thing that is not talked a lot is that there were 2 eventide h910 units used on the right and left recordings with 2 different settings : that coud be where the sizzle comes from... however that still doesn't explain bloom and asymetrical distortion (not gain).



blackback with greenback...
 
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Amp_Chaser, is there some way we can communicate away from this conversation. I have information. . .
 
The Bottom Line is this. RAW tracks, Raw EVH Guitar tracking in Sunset Sound tell us one thing, and THEN, you get to the final product. HELLO. Huge stretch. Donn Landee mixed that record as his life depended on it. Several times and last shot was on a Sunday late , Late, LATE into it. Not a hole in one deal man. Hardly. It was a solution provided by the greatest recording engineer in the history of planet earth. His own preference to his already solved problem, to this I Introduce you to . . . Van Halen l .
 
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just a tiny glimpse into my tone hunting experiences over the years.

it takes a special kind of dedication and suffering to arrive at a plug straight in cranked plexi’s pure dynamics and clarity at humane volumes, with sustain and single note girth and legato touch sensitivity minus the thin compressed high gain distortion artifacts.

selecting the right tubes, gtr/pickup, cab/speakers, reverb and delay times and sounds.
 
I wonder if that bomb shell is still kickin’ around?

I think that’s the problem here…..no one cares enough about recreating VH1 to incorporate a big ass bomb shell in their rig.
 
SmashingAtom said:
The Bottom Line is this. RAW tracks, Raw EVH Guitar tracking in Sunset Sound tell us one thing, and THEN, you get to the final product. HELLO. Huge stretch. Donn Landee mixed that record as his life depended on it. Several times and last shot was on a Sunday late , Late, LATE into it. Not a hole in one deal man. Hardly. It was a solution provided by the greatest recording engineer in the history of planet earth. His own preference to his already solved problem, to this I Introduce you to . . . Van Halen l .
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I believe you that there was an incredible job made by him. However i also believe what peggy the sunset sound engineer assistant told us in her interview about van halen that the house was known to not alter original sound a lot. In my opion donn landee did a huge work to insert that reverb and blend the two cabs with that huge sound however in my opinion he didn't eq ed's guitar tone a lot but rather polished it a little bit and then took a lot of time to make the reverb sound huge.
 
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