Surprise Surprise.......MORE Canadian Wildfires for 2024........Just in time for summer!

[Laputan Machine]

One approach that is used is to graph all the models, look at the upper and lower bounds and the average of all of the model's outputs. I haven't studied it that much but I severely doubt many of them predict that there will be absolutely no climate change going on.

As for a 100% failure rate - no they don't have a 100% failure rate at all. They are better predictors than saying nothing is going on and some of them are pretty much on the money. It may be that the average of all the models is actually too conservative. That remains to be seen.

Given there is no worldwide control mechanism I doubt anything will make much of a difference though. The only thing I agree with is that the third world's use and lack of control will negate any efforts by the first world to bring things under control. They have too large a population and their governments are too recalcitrant. They have a chip on their shoulders about the west that basically we have grown our economies and they'll be buggered if they are going to control their emissions.

The only studies that are judged as successful have the tolerances set so wide as to be completely useless in terms of scientific worth.
If China exceeds the CO2 emission of ALL DEVELOPED COUNTRIES COMBINED, why are all these political bodies focusing on the West? What is the point? Why aren't they combining their efforts to reduce Chinese emissions through things like sanctions? Oh, because all these people in influential positions personally benefit from Chinese industry, investments, and they also are involved in terms of personal finances in all these 'green economy' scams...that's why.

If you can say with a straight face that all these people pushing climate change are genuinely concerned in light of their own personal actions, I don't know what to tell you/

 

[Floyd Eye]

Honestly dude, I don’t really know what you are asking for. scientific research and data serves a different function than “making predictions”. Predictions are how you choose to come at this discussion because you are only invested in the headlines they create, and not what is actually going on with our planet.

As I said earlier, people have been “predicting” as you put it, that as greenhouse gasses accumulate, global temps will rise. That is proven every single year with actual data. Not predictions or models, real life data collected and confirmed by nearly every climate scientist on the planet. I don’t understand why you are trying to make it out to be anything more than that because I have never once made it to be anything more than that.
They can try to predict how much emissions will be emitted every year, but they don’t know that. No one does. But they can tell you that if “X” amount of emissions are emitted, or if it follows the current trend, then global temps will rise “y” amount. And they are pretty good with that.
As mentioned before, weather is just a small portion of “the climate”, and weather patterns are far too chaotic to “predict” what they will be months or years into the future. Ironically, they are become more erratic because of….. yep you guessed it.

Seriously man, I’m not saying this to be a dick, but if you are really interested in this stuff I highly recommend you learn about all the science behind it. I’m not claiming to be an expert on it, but the fact that you brought up “Biden” in a climate discussion leads me to believe if you are more heavily interested in agendas more than the data . And that’s cool if you are, but it makes it very difficult and frustrating when you ask others for “proof” of something when you aren’t going to look at it through the lens it was intended for.

I love this clip that is floating out there. I’m not necessarily directing it at you, or equating myself to the “scholars”, but things like this are so common these days

2 things.

First, my whole involvement in this conversation. Came in response to someone making the claim that climate change cultists predictions do not have a 100% fail rate. I’M SIMPLY ASKING FOR ONE GOD DAMN EXAMPLE OF A PREDICTION THAT WAS CORRECT.

Second, the title of this video alone is exactly why no one trusts “ scholars”. All you cock suckers think you’re the fucking smartest mother fuckers in the room. Like your fucking degree means anything dude. If you measure your success in life by your education, really ya ain’t that god damn smart. By the way, I make more money than most people with BAs. I’m also very adept at solving all my own problems which 99% of you geniuses have to pay other people to do for you. I have a degree too dude. It never did anything for me besides quench my thirst for knowledge and understanding of very specific areas I wished to study. My job only requires a GED. And I don’t go around acting like a condescending prick.

Back on point, why would I once again engage with you over the topic of man made climate change ? It’s like a hamster on a wheel. The answer is I wouldn’t. I simply want the assertion that was made to be backed up or for someone to say they were wrong and are now deflecting or at a minimum, shut up about it.

The fact is every horrible thing that was supposed to happen as a result of man made climate change according to the experts has failed to materialize.


Edited to add that I didn’t bring up Biden in this thread. Considering that part of my degree is English Composition. Maybe I should suggest you take a class to help with your lack of reading comprehension. Your failure has revealed your own biases.

 

[Floyd Eye]

Now maybe you should tell me why all the unprovable theories you hold as truth are actually facts and I simply don’t understand the scientific method. ???

Pretty fucking rich when people exist in a system that only other like minded people can possibly understand and use it as a barometer for for what’s fact and what’s theory. “ Oh, this ridiculous thing I believe is a fact and you would know that if you were educated in the system I devised to label things fact or theory”. Get the fuck outta here. ??

 

[Stumplegriltskin]

The only studies that are judged as successful have the tolerances set so wide as to be completely useless in terms of scientific worth.
If China exceeds the CO2 emission of ALL DEVELOPED COUNTRIES COMBINED, why are all these political bodies focusing on the West? What is the point? Why aren't they combining their efforts to reduce Chinese emissions through things like sanctions? Oh, because all these people in influential positions personally benefit from Chinese industry, investments, and they also are involved in terms of personal finances in all these 'green economy' scams...that's why.

If you can say with a straight face that all these people pushing climate change are genuinely concerned in light of their own personal actions, I don't know what to tell you/

Yep, they're all full of fucking shit. Move manufacturing to China because of green laws and let them stupid fucking greedy asshole fat businessmen in China do the polluting.
They should be prosecuted for crimes against humanity for shipping their "broken out of the box" crap. They can't even make a paper towel holder without fucking it up. Stupid fucking assholes with ZERO pride in anything they do. Fucking hate China.

 

[Stumplegriltskin]

Fishing anyone?

 

[Dan Gleesak]

2 things.

First, my whole involvement in this conversation. Came in response to someone making the claim that climate change cultists predictions do not have a 100% fail rate. I’M SIMPLY ASKING FOR ONE GOD DAMN EXAMPLE OF A PREDICTION THAT WAS CORRECT.

Second, the title of this video alone is exactly why no one trusts “ scholars”. All you cock suckers think you’re the fucking smartest mother fuckers in the room. Like your fucking degree means anything dude. If you measure your success in life by your education, really ya ain’t that god damn smart. By the way, I make more money than most people with BAs. I’m also very adept at solving all my own problems which 99% of you geniuses have to pay other people to do for you. I have a degree too dude. It never did anything for me besides quench my thirst for knowledge and understanding of very specific areas I wished to study. My job only requires a GED. And I don’t go around acting like a condescending prick.

Back on point, why would I once again engage with you over the topic of man made climate change ? It’s like a hamster on a wheel. The answer is I wouldn’t. I simply want the assertion that was made to be backed up or for someone to say they were wrong and are now deflecting or at a minimum, shut up about it.

The fact is every horrible thing that was supposed to happen as a result of man made climate change according to the experts has failed to materialize.


Edited to add that I didn’t bring up Biden in this thread. Considering that part of my degree is English Composition. Maybe I should suggest you take a class to help with your lack of reading comprehension. Your failure has revealed your own biases.

well off the bat, you entered the discussion with this
https://www.rig-talk.com/forum/thre...4-just-in-time-for-summer.308958/post-3935547

and you mentioned Biden here
https://www.rig-talk.com/forum/thre...4-just-in-time-for-summer.308958/post-3935871


everything else just seems like an angry rant so I'm not gonna bother with it. It had next to nothing to do with what I was trying to say, and if you want to take it all personal, that's on you. I never said that you weren't educated. I said that you ignore the data and just riff on headlines and agendas. You did it again in this very response.

 

[Laputan Machine]

NO U

 

[Floyd Eye]

well off the bat, you entered the discussion with this
https://www.rig-talk.com/forum/thre...4-just-in-time-for-summer.308958/post-3935547

and you mentioned Biden here
https://www.rig-talk.com/forum/thre...4-just-in-time-for-summer.308958/post-3935871


everything else just seems like an angry rant so I'm not gonna bother with it. It had next to nothing to do with what I was trying to say, and if you want to take it all personal, that's on you. I never said that you weren't educated. I said that you ignore the data and just riff on headlines and agendas. You did it again in this very response.

You smart guys sure are fuckin dumb. You are clearly adept at going back weeks in a thread to a conversation that has no relevance to the post you responded to, yet you seem incapable of understanding the ridiculously simple point of the conversation that was relevant to the post you were responding to. Biden ending leases on those coal mines has nothing to do with the current conversation.

Like Andrew, you chose to deflect and bring politics in as a smokescreen to cover up the fact that you can’t dispute the 100% failure rate of climate change alarmist predictions.

 

[Thumbpicker]

You smart guys sure are fuckin dumb. You are clearly adept at going back weeks in a thread to a conversation that has no relevance to the post you responded to, yet you seem incapable of understanding the ridiculously simple point of the conversation that was relevant to the post you were responding to. Biden ending leases on those coal mines has nothing to do with the current conversation.

Like Andrew, you chose to deflect and bring politics in as a smokescreen to cover up the fact that you can’t dispute the 100% failure rate of climate change alarmist predictions.

I didn't deflect - I just don't agree their predictions are 100% wrong. I gave you two sources that showed them plotting actuals vs forecast/prediction.

This video addresses quite a bit of what you seem to object to. The problem is at the moment that the models were potentially too conservative ie. were underpredicting the rate of temperature increase. Not the other way around.



As for your smart guy/dumb guy test... I work on all my own vehicles and have since a teenager. I do generally get them serviced these days during the warranty period by a mechanic but after that I do my own. I'm still alive after having motorbikes on and off for 35 years. I build plenty of stuff and have a workshop in my garage and I went to university however it's not like I have a degree in climate science. I believed that climate change was a possibility and didn't actually care about it at all because I thought the consequences would be well after I was dead (selfish I admit) - that woman in the video seems to think it may actually be sooner that even I would like.

 

[Floyd Eye]

Predicting the temperature will increase, especially by minuscule levels, is about like predicting the sun will rise. At any rate it’s so far away from evidence their predictions aren’t all bullshit that it’s a small dot off in the distance.

You eggheads seem to be assuming that minute unobservable and largely irrelevant data is the same as predicting Cleveland will be under water, polar bears will become extinct and ice caps will vanish. All of which ARE predictions made by climate science cultists, none of which are true. You know full well, as I have stated in this very thread that I have no doubt the climate is changing. As it always has. your obfuscation came when you decided that a 10th of a degree increase in mean global temperature can be equated with Polar Bears disappearing.

 

[Thumbpicker]

Predicting the temperature will increase, especially by minuscule levels, is about like predicting the sun will rise. At any rate it’s so far away from evidence their predictions aren’t all bullshit that it’s a small dot off in the distance.

You eggheads seem to be assuming that minute unobservable and largely irrelevant data is the same as predicting Cleveland will be under water, polar bears will become extinct and ice caps will vanish. All of which ARE predictions made by climate science cultists, none of which are true. You know full well, as I have stated in this very thread that I have no doubt the climate is changing. As it always has. your obfuscation came when you decided that a 10th of a degree increase in mean global temperature can be equated with Polar Bears disappearing.

She (in the video I posted) is saying 5 degrees or over is a possibility and the changes will occur in a shorter time frame than you might expect. You should listen to her. She's entertaining. She is not a climate cultist she is quite critical of aspects of climate science.

 

[Dan Gleesak]

You smart guys sure are fuckin dumb. You are clearly adept at going back weeks in a thread to a conversation that has no relevance to the post you responded to, yet you seem incapable of understanding the ridiculously simple point of the conversation that was relevant to the post you were responding to. Biden ending leases on those coal mines has nothing to do with the current conversation.

Like Andrew, you chose to deflect and bring politics in as a smokescreen to cover up the fact that you can’t dispute the 100% failure rate of climate change alarmist predictions.

lol it wasn’t a couple weeks ago. It’s not my fault that I stay on topic instead of going off on a bunch of fallacious tangents.
Also don’t make it out to be some blue collar/white collar bullshit. That is neither here nor there. When I test a flame sensor I use a multimeter and a chart to make sure it’s actually correct. When I test potable water for free chlorine, I don’t just got with my gut when I see the reagent color, I test it with a colorimeter. It has nothing to do with smart or dumb, or your self admitted degree common sense.

 

[Floyd Eye]

She (in the video I posted) is saying 5 degrees or over is a possibility and the changes will occur in a shorter time frame than you might expect. You should listen to her. She's entertaining. She is not a climate cultist she is quite critical of aspects of climate science.

You let me know when the earth warms 5 degrees. ??

 

[Floyd Eye]

lol it wasn’t a couple weeks ago. It’s not my fault that I stay on topic instead of going off on a bunch of fallacious tangents.
Also don’t make it out to be some blue collar/white collar bullshit. That is neither here nor there. When I test a flame sensor I use a multimeter and a chart to make sure it’s actually correct. When I test potable water for free chlorine, I don’t just got with my gut when I see the reagent color, I test it with a colorimeter. It has nothing to do with smart or dumb, or your self admitted degree common sense.

More obfuscation.

And you stay on topic. ???

God damn, there for awhile every thread here was infected with your space bullshit.

 

[Dan Gleesak]

More obfuscation.

And you stay on topic. ???

God damn, there for awhile every thread here was infected with your space bullshit.

I have stayed on topic completely. All I have ever said is that the data unequivocally shows that the earth is warming and that human actions result in things that warm the earth. That’s all I’ve said about it dude.
You are the one that brings up polar bears and predictions and Al Gore. I’ve even specifically stated that people should ignore the headlines yet you choose to respond to that with more headlines.

My “space threads” were only prevalent because a bunch of snowflakes felt the need to contest them. That’s their own problem.

 

[Floyd Eye]

I have stayed on topic completely. All I have ever said is that the data unequivocally shows that the earth is warming and that human actions result in things that warm the earth. That’s all I’ve said about it dude.
You are the one that brings up polar bears and predictions and Al Gore. I’ve even specifically stated that people should ignore the headlines yet you choose to respond to that with more headlines.

My “space threads” were only prevalent because a bunch of snowflakes felt the need to contest them. That’s their own problem.

No one asked what you said Dan. You attempted to provide evidence that the predictions of alarmist idiots have been correct. You failed.

 

[Floyd Eye]

You injected yourself into the conversation.

 

[VonBonfire]

I love those space threads. Same with the Israeli war thread, that one really bumped. I can do without the bikini, semen retention, and grace bowers threads though.

 

[Dan Gleesak]

No one asked what you said Dan. You attempted to provide evidence that the predictions of alarmist idiots have been correct. You failed.

lol no I didn’t. To the contrary I implied that I thought predictions were sort of useless and do not reflect the quality of the scientific data that is collected

This is a thread about wildfires. Newly prevalent wildfires. I said that they were a result of climate change, and saying that, is as you put it, the same as saying the sun will rise tomorrow.

 

[Floyd Eye]

lol no I didn’t. To the contrary I implied that I thought predictions were sort of useless and do not reflect the quality of the scientific data that is collected

This is a thread about wildfires. Newly prevalent wildfires. I said that they were a result of climate change, and saying that, is as you put it, the same as saying the sun will rise tomorrow.

And I'm right. Blaming wildfires on climate change is more climate cultist bullshit. I'm not convinced they're more prevalent even. In fact, science nerd, why don't you show me some proof that it's the most wildfires on record or something ?