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[Thumbpicker]

Here's a paper from Harvard...

https://eps.harvard.edu/files/eps/files/hausfather_2020_evaluating_historical_gmst_projections.pdf]

I mean there are so many links that do this on a simple google search. Pick your own source as long it's not from some unqualified social media shock jock knobhead like Tucker Carlson or whatever.

 

[VonBonfire]

So what would you pick. The fucking Onion? Fucking Truth Social?

All they are doing is plotting data against predictions. Don't read the commentary - look at the graphs. I don't believe they are manipulating it.

What should I expect from you... you think the Earth is shaped like a roulette wheel.

The 1970's=global cooling, the next ice age

1980s-90's=global warming, we're all gonna melt

21st century="climate change" cuz our last two predictions made us look like fools so let's generalize.

Climate science has a lot in common with the Jehovah's witnesses with the blind adherence of the rank and file and the endless false prophecies of doom and gloom that never come to pass the way they say it will. They can't even accurately predict when it will rain in TX so why should I listen to any of it? I shouldn't. The pancake earth is different than the basketball one.

 

[Floyd Eye]

There - go for your life. I mean how hard is it to find out... Just type climate models predictions vs actual in Google and find a decent source... fark

Now imagine how accurate it would be to say nothing is happening - which is to say completely inaccurate.

https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-how-well-have-climate-models-projected-global-warming/

Why the fuck should I do the research to back up your claims ? You made the fucking statement bro. It's simple enough. Name one prediction climate warriors have made that came true. The one about the polar bears ? Oh, that one didn't pan out. Polar caps vanishing ? Well, no that didn't happen.

You do know they were talking about blowing off nukes at the poles to stave off global cooling about 40 years ago right ? These mother fuckers can't predict the weather tomorrow, but we should believe them when they make predictions about two decades from now ? Scientists who's research and therefore livelihood is dependent on money from billionaires with stakes in carbon credits and have a vested interest in bankrupting the fossil fuel industry ?

I'll make a $1000 bet with you right now. 30 years from today, if you're alive, you will not be suffering irreparable harm due to man made climate change.

 

[Floyd Eye]

Here's a paper from Harvard...

https://eps.harvard.edu/files/eps/files/hausfather_2020_evaluating_historical_gmst_projections.pdf]

I mean there are so many links that do this on a simple google search. Pick your own source as long it's not from some unqualified social media shock jock knobhead like Tucker Carlson or whatever.

Okay, simple google search right ? Condense it for us morons. What fucking prediction did this paper make that came true ?

 

[Thumbpicker]

Okay, simple google search right ? Condense it for us morons. What fucking prediction did this paper make that came true ?

Define correct - we are talking about a model that predicts trends. Is the model more true than the baseline which is no change? How far did the model deviate from what is observed.

 

[Floyd Eye]

Define correct - we are talking about a model that predicts trends. Is the model more true than the baseline which is no change? How far did the model deviate from what is observed.

That ain't how this shit works brother. Someone says their prediction rate is 0%. YOU say it isn't. So name the prediction that was accurate.

 

[Thumbpicker]

That ain't how this shit works brother. Someone says their prediction rate is 0%. YOU say it isn't. So name the prediction that was accurate.

It is how it works. What you think a weather model has to be 100% perfect down to the nth degree. Weather is chaos. literally. Models can only model various variables which have predicted impacts and use those factors to predict it within bounds. That is what these models do. That is how it works.

 

[Floyd Eye]

It is how it works. What you think a weather model has to be 100% perfect down to the nth degree. Weather is chaos. literally. Models can only model various variables which have predicted impacts and use those factors to predict it within bounds. That is what these models do. That is how it works.

In other words you can’t back up your claim.

 

[Thumbpicker]

In other words you can’t back up your claim.

Yes I can - in your own words it's not how it works.

It's also not about whether there's global warming - the argument, if you can call it that, is about how much and how soon ie. the rate.

 

[Floyd Eye]

Yes I can - in your own words it's not how it works.

It's also not about whether there's global warming - the argument, if you can call it that, is about how much and how soon ie. the rate.

You keep deflecting. I know there is climate change. The actual argument is also how much of it is man made. But the point here is you are making the claim that climate "Scientist/activists" claims have not been 100% incorrect. And clearly you cannot demonstrate this is true so you obfuscate with links to irrelevant articles, most from dubious sources.

 

[Dan Gleesak]

Thumbpicker and Dan, name one prediction that has been accurate.

Aside from the thousands of researchers that have been telling us about greenhouse gases and the warming of the planet for the last 150 years?

 

[Dan Gleesak]

The first world got to be first world by making industrial messes that lacked any oversight or responsibility for the messes and pollution that resulted now the first world wants to play world cop "you can't pollute even though we did". You can't slash and burn even though we logged the entirety of north america from one end to the other. You're evil if you use child labor even though we did. You're polluting your waterways, that's wrong, even though we polluted our own waterways. The west thinks they have the right to tell other sovereign nations how to conduct business. They don't.

I agree with the overall sentiment of what you are saying, but there has been certainly been a marked improvement with the conditions here in the US since the good ol' days. Some stuff still slides through, but there are rules and regulations out the ass for what gets dumped in the ground or waterways. Not perfect, but far far better than it once was.

I was hoping that the Covid lockdown would set some lightbulbs off in people's heads when there was, no pun intended, a clear as day almost immediate change in air quality when there were less people driving. I mean the change was astonishing. I'm not sold on electric cars and all that yet, but it's crazy to me how we can see our air visibly change, understand that the change is from a reduction of emissions, and still be perfectly content living and breathing our own filth every single day.

 

[VonBonfire]

I agree with the overall sentiment of what you are saying, but there has been certainly been a marked improvement with the conditions here in the US since the good ol' days. Some stuff still slides through, but there are rules and regulations out the ass for what gets dumped in the ground or waterways. Not perfect, but far far better than it once was.

I don't believe in rules and regulations I just believe in people being responsible and not trashing the environment. Unfortunately you need rules and regulations for people who have no personal responsibility. It's really unfortunate. The problem is you get so many rules and regs that toxic stuff is just done overseas for cheaper, with less oversight, and someone here loses a job.

Let's talk about chrome. Old chrome=very toxic chemicals involved but exceedingly lustrous and durable for decades and decades with minimal care. New chrome=less toxic chemicals but will not last two decades without intensive maintenance. Flakes, chips, pits very quickly once out in the weather You'd think there would be a way that the more toxic chemicals could be handled so that we can get good chrome, but it's been regulated out of existence so we actually go backwards with the regulations. It's devolution through regulation.

I was hoping that the Covid lockdown would set some lightbulbs off in people's heads when there was, no pun intended, a clear as day almost immediate change in air quality when there were less people driving. I mean the change was astonishing. I'm not sold on electric cars and all that yet, but it's crazy to me how we can see our air visibly change, understand that the change is from a reduction of emissions, and still be perfectly content living and breathing our own filth every single day.

I haven't lived in a city with bad air since I lived in Nashville so the net effect for me was nothing. The reality is petroleum based stuff pollutes. Occasionally when the wind is just right I can smell the oil fields over in Luling. It stinks. Luling is a cheap place to live cause it stinks. But I like to drive so if you want upward mobility there is gonna be some level of pollution unless we go back to clay pots and horse drawn carriages.

The big deal around here right now is the pressure on the water supply and allowing treated wastewater to flow into creeks and streams. I feel like keeping clean water should be priority one above any other environmental concern but it seems to be taking a back seat to development. The same environmentalist morons in political office are the same fools who need bright green golf courses everywhere. It's why I want to leave. Too many people moving in and eventually it's gonna crush the quality of our natural resources and drive up prices of necessities like water and meat, which is tied to water.

Jacob's well quit flowing this year because they are pumping too much water. The city of Kyle is growing so sickeningly fast they cannot keep up with demand and are buying water from San Marcos, which sits on at the spring fed source of the San Marcos river. San Marcos should've refused and forced Kyle to deal with the mess they are making through xeriscape and other conservation means. My plan is to relocate to someplace out of state where I can afford to be on a large creek or small river so I have that water access and fishing for myself on site. I grew up in a house with a lake in the back, wetlands in the front and all that was interconnected to several rivers and more lakes. I want to get back to that sort of living instead of an increasingly dried up TX.

 

[Stumplegriltskin]

I love that fucking song.

I'm tellin all y'all it's Sabotage

 

[Krull]

 

[Dan Gleesak]

I don't believe in rules and regulations I just believe in people being responsible and not trashing the environment. Unfortunately you need rules and regulations for people who have no personal responsibility. It's really unfortunate. The problem is you get so many rules and regs that toxic stuff is just done overseas for cheaper, with less oversight, and someone here loses a job.

Let's talk about chrome. Old chrome=very toxic chemicals involved but exceedingly lustrous and durable for decades and decades with minimal care. New chrome=less toxic chemicals but will not last two decades without intensive maintenance. Flakes, chips, pits very quickly once out in the weather You'd think there would be a way that the more toxic chemicals could be handled so that we can get good chrome, but it's been regulated out of existence so we actually go backwards with the regulations. It's devolution through regulation.


I haven't lived in a city with bad air since I lived in Nashville so the net effect for me was nothing. The reality is petroleum based stuff pollutes. Occasionally when the wind is just right I can smell the oil fields over in Luling. It stinks. Luling is a cheap place to live cause it stinks. But I like to drive so if you want upward mobility there is gonna be some level of pollution unless we go back to clay pots and horse drawn carriages.

The big deal around here right now is the pressure on the water supply and allowing treated wastewater to flow into creeks and streams. I feel like keeping clean water should be priority one above any other environmental concern but it seems to be taking a back seat to development. The same environmentalist morons in political office are the same fools who need bright green golf courses everywhere. It's why I want to leave. Too many people moving in and eventually it's gonna crush the quality of our natural resources and drive up prices of necessities like water and meat, which is tied to water.

Jacob's well quit flowing this year because they are pumping too much water. The city of Kyle is growing so sickeningly fast they cannot keep up with demand and are buying water from San Marcos, which sits on at the spring fed source of the San Marcos river. San Marcos should've refused and forced Kyle to deal with the mess they are making through xeriscape and other conservation means. My plan is to relocate to someplace out of state where I can afford to be on a large creek or small river so I have that water access and fishing for myself on site. I grew up in a house with a lake in the back, wetlands in the front and all that was interconnected to several rivers and more lakes. I want to get back to that sort of living instead of an increasingly dried up TX.

I think if people worried about treated wastewater re-entering streams, then they are not treating it properly. But that is where the rules and regs come in handy. I’ve gotten fined for literal micrograms of toluene in the ground water. I work places that can’t use any pvc piping because traces of the glue will come up testing. There are ways to “clean up our act” so to speak besides electric cars and paper straws and other BS that get all the headlines.

But there are tons of photos like this from around the world. It clearly shows how quickly we could change some things if we came up with the correct measures to do so.

Even China cleaned up momentarily

 

[Krull]

I think if people worried about treated wastewater re-entering streams, then they are not treating it properly. But that is where the rules and regs come in handy. I’ve gotten fined for literal micrograms of toluene in the ground water. I work places that can’t use any pvc piping because traces of the glue will come up testing. There are ways to “clean up our act” so to speak besides electric cars and paper straws and other BS that get all the headlines.

But there are tons of photos like this from around the world. It clearly shows how quickly we could change some things if we came up with the correct measures to do so.

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Yeah...March isn't usually a smoggy month but thanks for the comparison to the hot summer month of July

 

[Floyd Eye]

Aside from the thousands of researchers that have been telling us about greenhouse gases and the warming of the planet for the last 150 years?

So their prediction is what? That the planet is warming ? No shit. That’s their one accurate prediction ? ???

 

[Dan Gleesak]

Yeah...March isn't usually a smoggy month but thanks for the comparison to the hot summer month of July

lol

 

[Dan Gleesak]

So their prediction is what? That the planet is warming ? No shit. That’s their one accurate prediction ? ???

Honestly dude, I don’t really know what you are asking for. scientific research and data serves a different function than “making predictions”. Predictions are how you choose to come at this discussion because you are only invested in the headlines they create, and not what is actually going on with our planet.

As I said earlier, people have been “predicting” as you put it, that as greenhouse gasses accumulate, global temps will rise. That is proven every single year with actual data. Not predictions or models, real life data collected and confirmed by nearly every climate scientist on the planet. I don’t understand why you are trying to make it out to be anything more than that because I have never once made it to be anything more than that.
They can try to predict how much emissions will be emitted every year, but they don’t know that. No one does. But they can tell you that if “X” amount of emissions are emitted, or if it follows the current trend, then global temps will rise “y” amount. And they are pretty good with that.
As mentioned before, weather is just a small portion of “the climate”, and weather patterns are far too chaotic to “predict” what they will be months or years into the future. Ironically, they are become more erratic because of….. yep you guessed it.

Seriously man, I’m not saying this to be a dick, but if you are really interested in this stuff I highly recommend you learn about all the science behind it. I’m not claiming to be an expert on it, but the fact that you brought up “Biden” in a climate discussion leads me to believe if you are more heavily interested in agendas more than the data . And that’s cool if you are, but it makes it very difficult and frustrating when you ask others for “proof” of something when you aren’t going to look at it through the lens it was intended for.

I love this clip that is floating out there. I’m not necessarily directing it at you, or equating myself to the “scholars”, but things like this are so common these days