Thanks Brad...

[rlord1974]

Should I come in for some "tag team" action now?



Comical.

 

[Anonymous]

No beef with me, huh? Geez, what do you say about people you do have a beef with?

Check out the tag team featuring henning and rlord. Trashing the CEC amps guy over semantics and some stupid technicality. And henning blasting the practice of taking money up front while kissing Brad's ass really, really hard.

Number one, I don't kiss anyone's ass. Number two, you don't seem to understand the difference between "trashing" someone and having a spirited conversation with them. I'm sorry I can't teach you the difference between the two.

It's okay though, Brad's a good guy, he can take money up front and take years to deliver but CEC amps is a douchebag.

I don't think anyone should take money up front because it always leads to the disappointment of a segment of the customers. Brad and I have already had a private conversation about this and it's none of your business, frankly. I never said that the CEC guys were douchebags for taking money up front, I just don't think it is a good business model and I explained quite clearly why I think that in that old thread. Also, I was having a disagreement about the approach, not personally attacking someone (unless people attack me personally, I don't attack them).

Hennings model is the best though, build 'em and sell 'em. How unique, wonder why nobody does that.

Honestly not a lot of boutique guys take this approach, but it isn't my model. Every large manufacturer does this, so don't attribute this "model" to me.

Maybe because it doesn't work for larger volumes douche.

No beef, right? Volume shouldn't have anything to do with this. The large amp companies all manage to make new amps without requiring deposits.

Your amazing amp journey is anything but.

I've never said it was amazing and in fact I don't think it is.

Let's see, you hired someone to design the board, another place makes the board, another place makes your chassis and yet another makes your headshells.

I've never hid the fact that I worked with a PCB design expert on this project, that only makes sense because I don't have that expertise. I have a great gal that populates my boards and does it much faster and better than I could, never hid that either. If I get enough volume as I build this business I may even (GASP!) hire another person to build the amps alongside of me. Perish the thought!!!!

What really shows how silly you are being are the chassis and head shell comments. Lots of boutique guys outsource that stuff. I'm not running a machine or wood shop. I'm building some guitar amps...

What a talented man.

I never said I was, but thanks!

You also copied the shit out of Diezel with your "board design".

How do you copy a board design for completely different amps? Ummm... let's see... it has PCBs and flying lead design. I guess I also copied the countless other designs that are like that.

You haven't sold one amp but you know it all.

I don't and don't claim to know everything. I do know something about running a business and I do have opinions about how they should be run that I express here freely and respectfully.

Thanks for your thoughts and I'm really glad there is no beef between us... Regardless, I will not respond to you here or anywhere else about my business after this post. I'm not going to escalate this into some stupid shit storm with someone who doesn't know me, or anything about what I'm doing except for what he's seen posted on a few internet forums. If you want to discuss it with me directly, call the number on my website.

If you want to talk about opinions on gear or anything else, I'm happy to do so

Steve

 

[tfridgen]

Rob and Steve, if someone's taking japs at you, I've got your backs,even if it's only to consider myself part of the cool crowd.

 

[Anonymous]

Rob and Steve, if someone's taking japs at you, I've got your backs,even if it's only to consider myself part of the cool crowd.

I thought we were finally done taking japs at each other, but thanks man. I'll send your official "RT Cool Crowd" badge next week. Unfortunately, I had to outsource that work and they are behind a bit...

Steve

 

[tfridgen]

Rob and Steve, if someone's taking japs at you, I've got your backs,even if it's only to consider myself part of the cool crowd.

I thought we were finally done taking japs at each other, but thanks man. I'll send your official "RT Cool Crowd" badge next week. Unfortunately, I had to outsource that work and they are behind a bit...

Steve

That's cool but I'm on the top of the list. Remember, I've paid in full plus the 50% order fulfillment fee I'm supposed to get back once the last order is shipped.

 

[Heritage Softail]

Rob and Steve, if someone's taking japs at you, I've got your backs,even if it's only to consider myself part of the cool crowd.

I thought we were finally done taking japs at each other, but thanks man. I'll send your official "RT Cool Crowd" badge next week. Unfortunately, I had to outsource that work and they are behind a bit...

Steve

If I pay up front can I get one of those badges on my Cherry Bomb T Shirt.

I'm getting that TAG pro am that was for sale for like 5 minutes. The graphics on the T would match the guitar. Giggity

 

[Anonymous]

Rob and Steve, if someone's taking japs at you, I've got your backs,even if it's only to consider myself part of the cool crowd.

I thought we were finally done taking japs at each other, but thanks man. I'll send your official "RT Cool Crowd" badge next week. Unfortunately, I had to outsource that work and they are behind a bit...

Steve

If I pay up front can I get one of those badges on my Cherry Bomb T Shirt.

I'm getting that TAG pro am that was for sale for like 5 minutes. The graphics on the T would match the guitar. Giggity

I'm having special versions of the t-shirt printed with the badge...

Steve

 

[JerryP]

I don't think anyone should take money up front because it always leads to the disappointment of a segment of the customers. Brad and I have already had a private conversation about this and it's none of your business, frankly. I never said that the CEC guys were douchebags for taking money up front, I just don't think it is a good business model and I explained quite clearly why I think that in that old thread. Also, I was having a disagreement about the approach, not personally attacking someone (unless people attack me personally, I don't attack them).
Steve

I can't agree with this one, not only because I take money up front, but because I've tried it the other way. This is 2012 not 1955 and business is not done as it used to be done. In the old days guys like you and I would never have been able to do this type stuff. Whole new world in business and it changes everyday. Most of what I do is custom and there's no way I'm going to spend my time building something only one guy in the world wants to have him give me a sob story when he can't pay the balance.
Name one big band that sets foot on a stage without being paid up front. Why is that OK for them, but not an amp builder? Musicians aren't the most dependable people when it comes to paying bills and having money. They'll blow rent money in a second for cool new gear! There are lots of things in this world you have to pay up front for. With the competition out there and the DIY stuff it's hard to put a wad of cash into anything without a security of knowing there will be a return. I'm not some big corporation, I'm some small time shop and some people seem to like my work. I keep things small and I do it my way. I own everything here and I don't stick my neck way out because a couple guys blew some smoke up my ass about my amp. Not trying to be something I'm not and not putting the cart before the horse making promises I can't deliver on.
I agree there are MANY that have fucked people over and delivered nothing, that's not me and that's not because of any business model, it's because they were douchebags to begin with! It makes it harder everyday for honest guys to do this when the fly by night guys bone people.
The old school business plan is no guarantee of success either. There's a long list of big name companies no longer in business and a line of people that took the hit for them on their way down. People need to do a little more homework before they hand over their money to anyone.
Jerry

 

[Anonymous]

I don't think anyone should take money up front because it always leads to the disappointment of a segment of the customers. Brad and I have already had a private conversation about this and it's none of your business, frankly. I never said that the CEC guys were douchebags for taking money up front, I just don't think it is a good business model and I explained quite clearly why I think that in that old thread. Also, I was having a disagreement about the approach, not personally attacking someone (unless people attack me personally, I don't attack them).
Steve

I can't agree with this one, not only because I take money up front, but because I've tried it the other way. This is 2012 not 1955 and business is not done as it used to be done. In the old days guys like you and I would never have been able to do this type stuff. Whole new world in business and it changes everyday. Most of what I do is custom and there's no way I'm going to spend my time building something only one guy in the world wants to have him give me a sob story when he can't pay the balance.
Name one big band that sets foot on a stage without being paid up front. Why is that OK for them, but not an amp builder? Musicians aren't the most dependable people when it comes to paying bills and having money. They'll blow rent money in a second for cool new gear! There are lots of things in this world you have to pay up front for. With the competition out there and the DIY stuff it's hard to put a wad of cash into anything without a security of knowing there will be a return. I'm not some big corporation, I'm some small time shop and some people seem to like my work. I keep things small and I do it my way. I own everything here and I don't stick my neck way out because a couple guys blew some smoke up my ass about my amp. Not trying to be something I'm not and not putting the cart before the horse making promises I can't deliver on.
I agree there are MANY that have fucked people over and delivered nothing, that's not me and that's not because of any business model, it's because they were douchebags to begin with! It makes it harder everyday for honest guys to do this when the fly by night guys bone people.
The old school business plan is no guarantee of success either. There's a long list of big name companies no longer in business and a line of people that took the hit for them on their way down. People need to do a little more homework before they hand over their money to anyone.
Jerry

Jerry,

For truly custom work, you absolutely must take deposits and I've never advocated against that. If the person backs out, you are stuck with a one-off that no one else may want. You have to insure the person will pay and has skin in the game. For off-the-shelf amps that are going to be the same for each buyer, I would never do it, because there is no way I could deal with all the calls from people waiting for an amp from me who have sent me money. It would drive me nuts...

I've given my opinion on this enough. I'm not gonna say anymore on this topic because it's been beaten to death in other threads. To each his own - whatever business model people want to pursue is fine with me. I just won't buy from anyone who takes big deposits for non-custom work and I won't take deposits either. I've been burned on this by guitar and amp builders and I'm done with it. No offense to anyone, this is just my approach to buying and selling...

Steve

 

[rlord1974]

Rob and Steve, if someone's taking japs at you, I've got your backs,even if it's only to consider myself part of the cool crowd.

Aw schucks. Thanks Tyler.



And this is yet another reason why you are a member of the "Club".....

 

[Gorehog]

If u have a business, run it the way you want/need. Whatever works for ya, as long as it works,how can it be wrong. If peeps dont wanna put money up front, buy a different amp, get a different mod, find a different builder that suits you. Plenty of options out there.

Public forums are perfect for opinions, but to attack and preach?Is it really fuckin worth it it?

I pd up front for an Old Bitch. If i minded paying up front , i wouldnt have done it. Brad runs his budiness his way, as do Steve and Jerry.if its the same or different business models, who cares. They hafta cater to the business first, or there wont be a business anymore. The customer will decide where they wanna spend their money.

Sheesh!!!!!!!

 

[Bob Savage]

If u have a business, run it the way you want/need. Whatever works for ya, as long as it works,how can it be wrong. If peeps dont wanna put money up front, buy a different amp, get a different mod, find a different builder that suits you. Plenty of options out there.

Public forums are perfect for opinions, but to attack and preach?Is it really fuckin worth it it?

I pd up front for an Old Bitch. If i minded paying up front , i wouldnt have done it. Brad runs his budiness his way, as do Steve and Jerry.if its the same or different business models, who cares. They hafta cater to the business first, or there wont be a business anymore. The customer will decide where they wanna spend their money.

Sheesh!!!!!!!

One of the fundamental problems with it is that so many "boutique" companies are funding their current batch of widgets with deposits for the next batch of widgets so when they realize they can no longer sustain the business and decide to pack it up, the last group (or worse) to place deposits are left without product or refunds.

Some buyers are willing to take that chance. To each his own... different strokes for different folks, so on and so forth.

 

[Ventura]

Rob and Steve, if someone's taking japs at you, I've got your backs,even if it's only to consider myself part of the cool crowd.

That's jabs, not "japs". Taking japs is illegal and would more than likely have the whole UN and Asian administration after your ass. It was attempted back in the late 50's and early 60's, it didn't go over so well.

Now, on a completely different note, I scrolled down the last few LENGTHY threads and one word stuck out - "nuthugging". Is someone offering to hug my balls? Give 'em a loving grope and squeeze? If so, this place went sideways fkn quick!!

Mo

 

[Heritage Softail]

Rob and Steve, if someone's taking japs at you, I've got your backs,even if it's only to consider myself part of the cool crowd.

That's jabs, not "japs". Taking japs is illegal and would more than likely have the whole UN and Asian administration after your ass. It was attempted back in the late 50's and early 60's, it didn't go over so well.

Now, on a completely different note, I scrolled down the last few LENGTHY threads and one word stuck out - "nuthugging". Is someone offering to hug my balls? Give 'em a loving grope and squeeze? If so, this place went sideways fkn quick!!

Mo

What suck up started this thread ?

 

[MOAAH]

jabs, not "japs". Taking japs is illegal and would more than likely have the whole UN and Asian administration after your ass. It was attempted back in the late 50's and early 60's, it didn't go over so well.

Mo

LOL!
I had a jap girl, I didn't take her thou.
She took me to a whole new world all night long.
My woman from Tokyo, she was so good to me...

One of the best things about Vancouver, plenty of chics of all kinds of colors and many with new ideas

 

[DarrenX]

Yup, lurked for years before joining. Overall this is a pretty good forum, you're right about that, but, some of the nuthugging I've seen is way out of control. Sickwindsor was a fucking idiot, so what, ignore him.

The thread that really illustrates my point is viewtopic.php?f=3&t=115359&start=50

Check out the tag team featuring henning and rlord. Trashing the CEC amps guy over semantics and some stupid technicality. And henning blasting the practice of taking money up front while kissing Brad's ass really, really hard. It's okay though, Brad's a good guy, he can take money up front and take years to deliver but CEC amps is a douchebag. Hennings model is the best though, build 'em and sell 'em. How unique, wonder why nobody does that. Maybe because it doesn't work for larger volumes douche. Your amazing amp journey is anything but. Let's see, you hired someone to design the board, another place makes the board, another place makes your chassis and yet another makes your headshells. What a talented man. You also copied the shit out of Diezel with your "board design". You haven't sold one amp but you know it all.

BTW, I have no affiliation to ANY of the formentioned parties.

Hmmmm Im not sure where nuthugging figures in the henning/rlord/cec discussion but in the end you have options; participate in the discussion or dont. You can always take your own advice and ignore it. I participate when and where I want..

If the Henning/RLord/CEC issue you bothered you that much, why didnt you chime in instead of waiting until now? After reading the thread, theres some things that I agree with and some that I dont but ultimately, Im not nearly interested enough to comment or get involved in the discussion..

Hell Im not all that interested in this discussion( not a knock against you at all) yet here I am.

As far as tag teaming goes, Did it ever occur to you that this being a public forum, that there will be others that share the same opinion on any given subject and chime in? Sure, it could be a "clique" thing but alot of times its just someone agreeing. Its always been that way yet people never fail to realize that...

The way I see it, the forum is fine the way that it is. participate when and where you feel like it and if something bothers you, address it or not... personaly, I have too much on my plate and am not interested in much beyond what interests me. We all come here for different reasons as well and Im sure that has alot to do with how we see the board...

Not much else to say dude...

Read RLords and Henning's detailed 1000 word point by point responses. That's why I didn't participate in that thread. These guys have to have the last word.

I never criticised the whole forum, yes overall it's a good place. I gave an example as it relates to the original topic. Sickwindsor was an annoying dick yet people could have just ignored him, they chose not to. Henning may be a nice guy in person. One rule you may want to follow, or not, is that, as a builder you never, ever get into it with another builder, comment on another builder or their product, business practices, etc , ever.

 

[DarrenX]

Based on a quick review of the 13 posts you have here as a member, one might in fact conclude that you are simply a troll. I hope that's not the case, as it would be nice to see another Canadian actually join up and CONTRIBUTE to this community, instead of just tear it down and post derogatory comments about its members.[/quote]

I'm not Canadian, I'm here on a contract for the next year, maybe longer. No I'm not a troll. Maybe I'll contribute more in the future by showing people how I pack things and arguing about the validity of foam peanuts as packaging material. Are you saying long time forum members should be immune from criticism?

 

[rlord1974]

Based on a quick review of the 13 posts you have here as a member, one might in fact conclude that you are simply a troll. I hope that's not the case, as it would be nice to see another Canadian actually join up and CONTRIBUTE to this community, instead of just tear it down and post derogatory comments about its members.

I'm not Canadian, I'm here on a contract for the next year, maybe longer. No I'm not a troll. Maybe I'll contribute more in the future by showing people how I pack things and arguing about the validity of foam peanuts as packaging material. Are you saying long time forum members should be immune from criticism?

No, I'm not immune from criticism Darren. However, I also don't think that my posts about packing peanuts are worthy of being slammed by you - or anyone else for that matter. If you weren't interested in the topic of that thread, you could have simply not read it. It's pretty simple, really.

What I'm saying is that perhaps a better approach to your first 13 posts on the forum is to be cordial with the vocal membership, not derogatory.

It's fine if you think that one or two posts of mine about packing were boring, uninformative or whatever other conclusions you have drawn about them. However, at least I am contributing to a positive discussion that some forum members are interested in. All you are posting on this forum so far are attacks on members.

 

[rupe]

 

[Ventura]

Rob and Steve, if someone's taking japs at you, I've got your backs,even if it's only to consider myself part of the cool crowd.

That's jabs, not "japs". Taking japs is illegal and would more than likely have the whole UN and Asian administration after your ass. It was attempted back in the late 50's and early 60's, it didn't go over so well.

Now, on a completely different note, I scrolled down the last few LENGTHY threads and one word stuck out - "nuthugging". Is someone offering to hug my balls? Give 'em a loving grope and squeeze? If so, this place went sideways fkn quick!!

Mo

What suck up started this thread ?

Hey HEY HEY!! My public thanks to Brad wasn't any kind of suck up, and if it was perceived as such, I am totally surprised. I simply was pleased to see that a self elected forum removal has me spending more time browsing my cats' threads and posts as opposed to these remarkably schizophrenic, assertive and wildly unfounded 'factoids' interjected along with "I'm a stoner, trust me" or "I know, shut up, you're not me, you don't know" excerpts of an ass. That's all...

LOL!
I had a jap girl, I didn't take her thou.
She took me to a whole new world all night long.
My woman from Tokyo, she was so good to me...

One of the best things about Vancouver, plenty of chics of all kinds of colors and many with new ideas

I like the way you think MOAAH...

Avagoodmorning Gentlemen...and Laura!
Mo