There's no need for a load Box...

[Simon Dorn]

...when you ask me. At least i never found anything that sounded better than a real amp/cab/mic combo no matter what volume.

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[saxxamafone]

I don’t have that option unfortunately. So for me it’s tube amp and load box vs going all digital

plus I get tones I’m happy with using a load box

The right LB and IR are crucial

 

[tjnx]

what dbs are you recording at for low volume and which mic pres are you running through? I like low volume more than LB + IRs but it gets a little tricky when you have to up the gain your mic pres. The noise floor jumps up a bit and you gotta be careful with things like your home's AC coming on.

But overall I agree, still better for me

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

Also better for me and I recently recorded with both and ended up going all mic. Top end fizz seems more on IR's and more gain you add from a pedal for example, is where i hear even more fizz. I know fizz can be smoothed out with verb and some compression etc but I prefer the mic.

 

[TheGreatGreen]

Also better for me and I recently recorded with both and ended up going all mic. Top end fizz seems more on IR's and more gain you add from a pedal for example, is where i hear even more fizz. I know fizz can be smoothed out with verb and some compression etc but I prefer the mic.

If the IR is made right, the amount of fizz in the IR is exactly the same as the fizz in the real cab+mic setup.

 

[DanTravis62]

If the IR is made right, the amount of fizz in the IR is exactly the same as the fizz in the real cab+mic setup.

This, there is nothing inherent in IRs that have more fizz

It's just a matter of the IR being right

 

[nightlight]

I also like the tube amp plus mic approach, but capture technology has progressed a long way. Keen to see how far it goes towards cloning amps completely.

 

[Music&Chaos]

My rock crusher unit built into my Rivera gets the closest I have heard to my actual mic being there so I just use it for the convenience. I dont think any sim can beat the real thing though - as usual.

 

[valve]

If the IR is made right, the amount of fizz in the IR is exactly the same as the fizz in the real cab+mic setup.

should be that way, but finding that IR is something i don't have the nerv for, currently

 

[DanTravis62]

should be that way, but finding that IR is something i don't have the nerv for, currently

It's not like there's only a couple of them man

Even in widely available IRs there's a ton that aren't super fizzy and they aren't difficult to find.

If it is that difficult to find one that isn't fizzy, I put forth that the IR is probably not the source of the fizz

 

[valve]

It's not like there's only a couple of them man

Even in widely available IRs there's a ton that aren't super fizzy and they aren't difficult to find.

If it is that difficult to find one that isn't fizzy, I put forth that the IR is probably not the source of the fizz

a year ago i went through several and it turned me crazy with all the testing and tweeking. they all sounded vastly different and had some weird EQ twists. not necessarily all fizzy.
but the fuzzy nature of the Diezels played a big part in it. but i think i have dialed that out with a variable Highpass infront.
Will give it another shot at some point, but surely not in the summertime. currently pretty happy with how it sounds. can finally play without getting distracted because of the tone tweeking, amp settings or turning knobs
so i am a bit scared too get that road down again...

 

[TheGreatGreen]

should be that way, but finding that IR is something i don't have the nerv for, currently

It's not like there's only a couple of them man

Even in widely available IRs there's a ton that aren't super fizzy and they aren't difficult to find.

If it is that difficult to find one that isn't fizzy, I put forth that the IR is probably not the source of the fizz

To add to what Dan said, there's also plenty of resources out there that will let you roll your own.

Barring that, you could always apply some kind of high cut or low pass filter after an IR you mostly like except for fizz on top.

 

[DanTravis62]

a year ago i went through several and it turned me crazy with all the testing and tweeking. they all sounded vastly different and had some weird EQ twists. not necessarily all fizzy.
but the fuzzy nature of the Diezels played a big part in it. but i think i have dialed that out with a variable Highpass infront.
Will give it another shot at some point, but surely not in the summertime. currently pretty happy with how it sounds. can finally play without getting distracted because of the tone tweeking, amp settings or turning knobs
so i am a bit scared too get that road down again...

200% is gonna be worth the effort man

It will be one of those things you take care of one time and then it's ready for when you need it

To add to what Dan said, there's also plenty of resources out there that will let you roll your own.

Barring that, you could always apply some kind of high cut or low pass filter after an IR you mostly like except for fizz on top.

Yeah this is what I do, I make my own for the most part - which I understand if valve doesn't wanna do, it's just it shouldn't be necessary

 

[valve]

maybe this winter. i heard some ML soundlabs which i liked, but doing my own also sounds good, although i guess that means mics and a good audio interface...

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

If the IR is made right, the amount of fizz in the IR is exactly the same as the fizz in the real cab+mic setup.

I made a few IR's and A/B'd them and they were pretty bang on BUT real deal just felt different and I am assuming that came down to depth but also dynamics you get from real speaker. A lot of paid cabs I have tried do sound fizzy to me but maybe that actual cab was fizzy in the capture? ( which some might call " sizzle")

 

[Simon Dorn]

what dbs are you recording at for low volume and which mic pres are you running through? I like low volume more than LB + IRs but it gets a little tricky when you have to up the gain your mic pres. The noise floor jumps up a bit and you gotta be careful with things like your home's AC coming on.

But overall I agree, still better for me

Mic gain was set to 55db, iirc, for a level in the range of -9 to -6db. I use the built in pres of my Interface.

 

[Simon Dorn]

I also like the tube amp plus mic approach, but capture technology has progressed a long way. Keen to see how far it goes towards cloning amps completely.

I liked to use the old Pod Pro and the Pod XT with Tube Power Amps. The more "realistic" it got, the less i liked it

 

[tjnx]

Mic gain was set to 55db, iirc, for a level in the range of -9 to -6db. I use the built in pres of my Interface.

Thanks, that's interesting because that's about right where I've landed. same thing

 

[mentoneman]

i’m no chugger but i really like your version of that type of heavy tone and how you approach playing it.
it makes so much more sense to me versus harsh white noise speed metal where sonically you can’t make out the guitar from the cymbals from the screaming.

and better yet you’re doing it with a marshall and pedals instead of a few $3-5k amps.

 

[The~Kid]

Yeah that was pretty gnarly