Thoughts on the EVM12L?

[ChurchHill]

Same. If I couldn't find any more K-120's that's probably what I'd give a shot next.

If you get a chance, I think they're really good, too. It wasn't anything like what I expected (Jensen). Thomann sells them for significantly less than US dealers, but now that shipping is stupid expensive, doesn't save anything.

I don't have any Force 12s but have played through plenty of them and they are really good for what they are, which is about 95% of an EVM.

I think some people forget that the 100w rating is before the power amp clips and that it's the clipped nature of the signal than damages speakers more than overpowering them. So yeah, for a 100w amp that pushes more like 120w or more with a heavily clipped signal, you'll need about 250w total speaker handling to have any kind of longevity. Probably a long-winded way of saying I think you're absolutely right!

 

[joesatch]

i have a 100 watt mesa mark IIB oak combo with the stock EVM12L. This little combo weighs like 80 pounds. mesa included a roadcase with casters for these cause they knew nobody could lift em

 

[VonBonfire]

If you get a chance, I think they're really good, too. It wasn't anything like what I expected (Jensen). Thomann sells them for significantly less than US dealers, but now that shipping is stupid expensive, doesn't save anything.

Generally I haven't been much of a Jensen guy but the Blackbirds seemed a bit different, plus the 100 watt rating means they would actually survive in a Twin for a while (hopefully). Every person here who has mentioned them speaks highly of them, which is a helluva lot more helpful than youtube reviews where the guy is running the amp at 1/3rd power to avoid upsetting his neighbors with the demo.

For example, there is a really terrible review of the Force 12's vs a bunch of other speakers that would give you the impression they are horrible sounding except they are higher wattage than all the other models being demo'ed and aren't being pushed at all, which is where they start to shine because unlike a lot of the 40-50-60 watt speakers they will keep their composure all the way up the dial. That can be a real selling point if you need something that maintains a tight bass response under wattage or when using thick bass strings and a strong pick attack.

 

[mentoneman]

Same. If I couldn't find any more K-120's that's probably what I'd give a shot next. @Fusionbear was speaking of his love for them yesterday. I just need a third Twin so I have an excuse to buy a set....and a place to put them.

just played a cool sounding twin earlier this afternoon.
familiar with the 94 twin? supposedly an evolved evil twin minus red knobs with a ton of features:

 

[Wrong-answers-only]

300 watters paired with SROs. Lives in a road case, so I am not sure how much it weighs, but I'd throw it in the ~150 lb range.

And I only hit it with 60w. The audacity.

 

[Alpha Stryke]

No need for martyrdom man. I think you took this a little too personally. You made three hyperbolic statements...

A 200 watt speaker is ridiculous for an 80 watt amp.

That the speaker is unusable.

And they will 100% make you deaf.

If you had simply said they don't work for you I would never have even replied. Instead I laughed at the blanket statement, and spoke to just how widely used they are.

Fwiw I realize you have had issues with some people here ragging on you, and would just remind you I am not one of them.

 

[thegame]

300 watters paired with SROs. Lives in a road case, so I am not sure how much it weighs, but I'd throw it in the ~150 lb range.

And I only hit it with 60w. The audacity.
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If all the holes on the baffle are already there it’d be a good idea to use all 8 mounting screws for each EV, due to their weight.

 

[Wrong-answers-only]

If all the holes on the baffle are already there it’d be a good idea to use all 8 mounting screws for each EV, due to their weight.

Yeah, I do need to get that done. I hadn’t thus far as I was waffling about modifying the cabinet in the event I eventually sold it. I think some day those speakers are destined for a pair of 2x12s, but for now I’m gonna get ‘em mounted and sealed up even tighter. If the old speakers go back in the 4x12 with extra baffle holes, oh well.

 

[Uzi Nein Millimetah]

For hard rock and metal it's a hard combo to beat. If I was just playing metal I would just go with two EVM12L personally, but I am not the biggest V30 fan. Every one I've ever had I've ended up selling because I like other speakers better for those sounds.

I despise V30s.

The EVM, however, is KING. And never better than when paired with a Celestion in the 75-100 watt range.

 

[Hiwatts-n-Gibsons]

I despise V30s.

The EVM, however, is KING. And never better than when paired with a Celestion in the 75-100 watt range.

My two favorites with them were Celestion G12H100's, and Fane AXA12's.

 

[lol]

 

[Racerxrated]

To pair with V30s, I'd say either a T75 or a Greenback. I'm not the biggest fan of V30s, either, though, and generally prefer them by themselves.

For an EVM12L pair, I'd second the K100 and add the Classic Lead 80 or an EVM12S. Any of those might pair well with a V30.

For the most part, I've gotten away from mixing speakers in the same cab, though. Too much time and effort for very little result. Mixing cabs with different speakers in each is another story and a lot less work but takes more money and space.

I'd second this.

If you can find a Mesa halfback cab, with C90s on top/EVs on bottom, that is a GREAT combo for heavy stuff and might be the best sound I ever got for heavy out of my Coliseums that I've had over the years.
Just killer. But, those EVs MUST have power to open them up and reveal that tone.

 

[Racerxrated]

i have a 100 watt mesa mark IIB oak combo with the stock EVM12L. This little combo weighs like 80 pounds. mesa included a roadcase with casters for these cause they knew nobody could lift em

My old C+ Coli combo had an EV 15 loaded in it.
Don't ask me how much it weighed. I'm still in denial.

 

[Racerxrated]

the big deal with the WGS stuff is breaking them in and where they land once there.
some of the subtleties you enjoy from a 30+ year old EV aren’t immediately there in a brand new speaker, and most aren’t patient enough to wait for the normal break in period on a 200 watt driver!
that’s when the boogie GEQ becomes your best friend while you wait. but there are those diehard celestion or EV devotees that don’t like WGS because they are……wait for it….
…different.

My exp with WGS is pretty cut n dry. No room for interpretation actually. I picked up a pair of ET65s for an SLO combo (yes, they made a few lol) and while they are damn close to real 65s, they completely fart out at high volume. Break in or no break in, that fact did not change over weeks of play time.
Back to Celestion I went.

 

[harddriver]

My exp with WGS is pretty cut n dry. No room for interpretation actually. I picked up a pair of ET65s for an SLO combo (yes, they made a few lol) and while they are damn close to real 65s, they completely fart out at high volume. Break in or no break in, that fact did not change over weeks of play time.
Back to Celestion I went.

I had the same experience with the ET65's liked them at first then noticed they didn't like volume. That being said my Celestion Heritage G1265's sound great at all volumes and get even better with higher volume. I have two of them mixed on top with 2 UK V-30 on bottom ala Friedman configuration in one of my Marshall 4x12's and they mix great and sound good with all my amps.

I'm thinking I would like a entire 4x12 of them.........

 

[Uzi Nein Millimetah]

I'd second this.

If you can find a Mesa halfback cab, with C90s on top/EVs on bottom, that is a GREAT combo for heavy stuff and might be the best sound I ever got for heavy out of my Coliseums that I've had over the years.
Just killer. But, those EVs MUST have power to open them up and reveal that tone.

This is my setup, two such 4 x 12s pushed by a Quad/2:90.

Can't go back to ordinary after experiencing this.

 

[Anje]

I have been thinking about putting an old EV + Celestion cab together for some time, but always pushed that out; I think it's the weight that scares me
It's about time though.
I'm considering doing two 2x12, just to manage the weight; what do you think?
Is the half closed/open back config key to "that" sound?
If going 4x12, i'm tempted to load an old Marshall or Hiwatt / Sound City cab with that config.

 

[Hiwatts-n-Gibsons]

I have been thinking about putting an old EV + Celestion cab together for some time, but always pushed that out; I think it's the weight that scares me
It's about time though.
I'm considering doing two 2x12, just to manage the weight; what do you think?
Is the half closed/open back config key to "that" sound?
If going 4x12, i'm tempted to load an old Marshall or Hiwatt / Sound City cab with that config.

If you went with the Half Back Boogie 4x12 it is essentially two compact 2x12's stacked on top of each other since the bottom and top sections are divided. Also there is a pretty significant difference between the 2x12 and 4x12 versions. The 2x12 is two oversized 1x12's stacked with the bottom 1x12 ported. These cabs will put some 4x12's to shame, but it's a more direct tone. The 4x12 is two compact 2x12's stacked on top of each other, neither ported.

I've only played through the 4x12's a couple times at music stores, so never really got to really hit one with serious volume. But I have owned one of the 2x12's for decades, and they are amazing when loaded with a pair of 12L's. I ended up making a panel to seal the upper bout of the cab, and like it even better with the top sealed when playing heavy stuff, but the top open really helps cleans and lower gain tones breath.

 

[Alpha Stryke]

12L's were so great that John Sykes loaded his cabs w/ Rola G12M-65 Celestions.
I have not found better rock speakers than my G12M 25 Blackbacks.
Never said 12L's never worked somewhere somehow for someone.
I said "i found them un-usable" for my rig ect.
Personal preference how does that work.
It'd be a boring Fucking planet if everyone was a clone of the same shit. Somehow we're getting closer to that reality.
And 12L's will make you Fucking deaf cuz they don't give an inch even @ 140db.

 

[harddriver]

I have been thinking about putting an old EV + Celestion cab together for some time, but always pushed that out; I think it's the weight that scares me
It's about time though.
I'm considering doing two 2x12, just to manage the weight; what do you think?
Is the half closed/open back config key to "that" sound?
If going 4x12, i'm tempted to load an old Marshall or Hiwatt / Sound City cab with that config.

I think it would be about perfect in a 2x12 and probably sound damn good. Being just one it won't add too much weight. Even two of them in a 4x12 wouldn't be overwhelmingly heavy. I love how they sound but as Racer stated you really gotta hit em with some volume to get the goods.