Thoughts on the EVM12L?

[JimAnsell2]

hit or miss. you gotta try em with your shit.

i used to use ev's and say to myself "ah, so clear, full, and uncolored" then go back to celestion and go "oh theres that celestion color that i missed", then i'd play ev's again some years later and go all in, then a few years later flip em and get celestions. it all about your ears, your mood, if there are dollar signs in your eyes (eh man you get 2 celestions for every 1 ev, money wise), etc. RN i'm in my celestion "i want the color" phase. who knows what tomorrow may bring. i don't care to mix either. i can't really give you a reason why excepet that i was "all or nothing" i guess. everytime i x patterned ANYTHING, i always felt underwhelmed. eventually, i decided mixing speakers in a cab is only good if you mic and record regularly, and have DOG EARS.

 

[Holy-diver]

I love them, I have an old peavey butcher cab that I swapped 2 late 80/early 90s evm into x pattern with 75w creambacks. Thing rips

 

[ChurchHill]

I have been thinking about putting an old EV + Celestion cab together for some time, but always pushed that out; I think it's the weight that scares me
It's about time though.
I'm considering doing two 2x12, just to manage the weight; what do you think?
Is the half closed/open back config key to "that" sound?
If going 4x12, i'm tempted to load an old Marshall or Hiwatt / Sound City cab with that config.

I've got 2 old metal-grill Mesa split-back 4x12s with EV/C90 as well as Marshall 4x12s with all EV and all Celestions. The Marshall EV cab weighs a ton, but I don't take it anywhere. The Mesa cabs also weigh a ton, but I think the cabs themselves weigh more than Marshall cabs. I've never weighed either when I had them unloaded, so I don't really know. The Mesa cabs are built like lead tanks.

Having said that, the Mesa 2x12s are still pretty heavy and bigger than most vertical 2x12s. The 2 additional speakers would account for about 30 lbs more.

As for "that" sound, if that's what I want, nothing beats the Mesa cabs. If I'm just wanting to get in the ballpark, the Marshalls are close enough that I doubt most could tell, probably 90% there. Sometimes, the last 10% is worth it, sometimes it isn't.

 

[Anje]

Thanks for all the inputs.
Are all those Mesa cabs of the closed back (bottom) / open back (top) config, including the 2x12s?

 

[Uzi Nein Millimetah]

Thanks for all the inputs.
Are all those Mesa cabs of the closed back (bottom) / open back (top) config, including the 2x12s?

The metal grill Mark series are. The vert 2x12 is a freakin' beast with at least one EVM, although some people use two!

 

[ChurchHill]

Thanks for all the inputs.
Are all those Mesa cabs of the closed back (bottom) / open back (top) config, including the 2x12s?

Yes, mine are open on the top (C90), closed on the bottom (EV). Mine are from the '80s.

 

[Uzi Nein Millimetah]

Yes, mine are open on the top (C90), closed on the bottom (EV). Mine are from the '80s.

The blend of speakers is the ultimate formula for the Mark cabs IMO.

 

[mentoneman]

years ago i was on a mission to compare different speakers/cabs

with my carol ann OD2R/fender Strat

EV12L in a Hughes Kettner 1x12 closed cab


Tone Tubbies H Bomb openback 2x12


Celestion G1265 in my friend’s Kerry Wright closed back 2x12


same Kerry Wright cab with Two Rock Onyx


my friend playing my stereo egnater/mojave rig with a bogner 4x12 and greenback speaker in the top of the mesa halfback 2x12


no better way to know what speaker works best for your needs other than trying.

 

[Anje]

...
no better way to know what speaker works best for your needs other than trying.

Agree 1000%!
Same as for any gear question actually IMHO

Sounds like some more cab & speaker work to come for me!

 

[ners]

What's pricing like on EVM12Ls these days?

Especially for a 16 ohm since it seems that's more rare...

 

[Uzi Nein Millimetah]

12L's were so great that John Sykes loaded his cabs w/ Rola G12M-65 Celestions.
I have not found better rock speakers than my G12M 25 Blackbacks.
Never said 12L's never worked somewhere somehow for someone.
I said "i found them un-usable" for my rig ect.
Personal preference how does that work.
It'd be a boring Fucking planet if everyone was a clone of the same shit. Somehow we're getting closer to that reality.
And 12L's will make you Fucking deaf cuz they don't give an inch even @ 140db.

Lots of metal guys use 12Ls no problem. The amount of thump they deliver at high volume is incredible.

Whatever speakers Sykes used, he was going to kill it with his classic '80s rig! Haven't seen that concert before.....awesome!

 

[Deleted member 77333]

What's pricing like on EVM12Ls these days?

Especially for a 16 ohm since it seems that's more rare...

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/de...fmTKT1-micAfjd_5WWcg8iCyGMFmM9BRoCm98QAvD_BwE

16 # magnet 8 ohm, about $300 + tax each. 4 / 12L 's close to 80 lbs, plus an empty 4x12 can range from 50 to 150 lbs.
Better have roadies.
Its just a speaker, nothing special.

 

[Anje]

Speakers are some of the most important individual components in a whole guitar rig IMHO, often way more impacts on tone & feel than anything else.

That being said, I also think John Sykes live sound was absolutely AMAZING back then with those G12-65 front loaded custom cabs.
Jose Marshalls in that '89 Japan tour too

 

[VonBonfire]

Its just a speaker, nothing special.

User error.

 

[Deleted member 77333]

nope - i need a speaker that breaks up some thats rock n roll.
Im not trying to create 15 rows of deaf kids with "squeelies".
Can't believe we are even having this discussion.

 

[VonBonfire]

nope - i need a speaker that breaks up some thats rock n roll.
Im not trying to create 15 rows of deaf kids with "squeelies".
Can't believe we are even having this discussion.

There are no rules other than the ones you are trying to invent here.

 

[Deleted member 77333]

There are no rules other than the ones you are trying to invent here.

Poppycock -

 

[VonBonfire]

Poppycock -

^Most of what you post falls under that heading. Just cause EV's didn't work for you doesn't mean they don't work great for other guys.