We've all been scammed!

Lets be transparent. If you want to build a humbuckers with correct, not budget parts or Chinese made garbage. So, you cannot even get the parts for a couple dollars as you he ignorantly claims. $22 for me 3 years ago personally if I want proper alloy metal parts that yield predictable and reliable results. This doesn’t account for the time it takes to source from multiple vendors, shipping, etc. Okay. Now regardless of hand winding or machine winding it time to make pickups. You can't automate the assembly and the potting takes time to ensure coil saturation.


Since he seem so knowledge on how business works, how much does it cost and how long does it take to factor in logistics, emails, shop rent, utilities, taxes, healthcare, marketing and other business related costs?

I love it when people try to simplify or justify options without placing value on the non-material costs. I guess he want people to work for free and minimizes any tonal impact people hear in their tone

Please tell me where I can source my parts for single digit dollars? Further more, who’s getting rich from it?
 
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DanTravis62 said:
People who do the "Pickups are just 43 cents worth of parts" thing invariably don't have very good tone.
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His math ain’t mathing.

It costs
Between $50-100 per pound spool just for wire depending on if you go poly or plain enamel.


A 1-pound (1 lb) spool of 42 AWG magnet wire contains roughly 50,000 to 51,000 feet of wire. This is enough to wind about 10 to 12 single-coil pickups (like Stratocaster style) or 4 to 6 humbucker pickups


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scottosan said:
His math ain’t mathing.

It costs
Between $50-100 per pound spool just for wire depending on if you go poly or plain enamel.


A 1-pound (1 lb) spool of 42 AWG magnet wire contains roughly 50,000 to 51,000 feet of wire. This is enough to wind about 10 to 12 single-coil pickups (like Stratocaster style) or 4 to 6 humbucker pickups


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I'm well aware his math ain't mathing, that's a given

But i'm making a more general point about the people who complain about pickup prices. They always have shitty tone.

They always say the same things, exaggerating about how cheap the parts are with no thought given to the time and expertise involved in making pickups that actually sound good.

But they also always have really shitty tone. So it ends up being self-incriminating.
 
scottosan said:
Lets be transparent. If you want to build a humbuckers with correct, not budget parts or Chinese made garbage. So, you cannot even get the parts for a couple dollars as you he ignorantly claims. $22 for me 3 years ago personally if I want proper alloy metal parts that yield predictable and reliable results. This doesn’t account for the time it takes to source from multiple vendors, shipping, etc. Okay. Now regardless of hand winding or machine winding it time to make pickups. You can't automate the assembly and the potting takes time to ensure coil saturation.


Since he seem so knowledge on how business works, how much does it cost and how long does it take to factor in logistics, emails, shop rent, utilities, taxes, healthcare, marketing and other business related costs?

I love it when people try to simplify or justify optimism without placing value on the non-material costs. I guess he want people to work for free and minimizes any tonal impact people hear in their tone

Please tell me where I can source my parts for single digit dollars? Further more, who’s getting rich from it?
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You are a custom high quality low count builder, mass market bullshit indeed can come at couple dollars with their scale and qc I believe
 
Reminds me of the stupid pedal arguments I hear from people. Absolutely moronic take. There are things you can save money on, like learning how to set up your own gear, etc that really stack some change in your pocket. Then you can use that extra change to pay a professional for a professional product. Hell, I can get just about any part 'cheap', it most certainly won't be any good.

I want to wind pickups for the learning and experimentation - never could imagine it actually saving me any real money over what I get them for now.....
 
"The Mona Lisa is worth how much? Don't they know it only cost a few bucks in canvas and paint to make?"

See also: "Well, I sure am glad to know it's a scam now. Guess I'll wind my own pickups with my own personal pickup winding machine, pickup magnet blocks, plastic molds, and copper wire all setup and ready to go, that everybody and their mom has laying around. And I'll just take a stab at using my own personal winding skills most pros don't fully develop for multiple years doing the job all day every day, which I'm sure we all have the option to do. I'm sure it'll be fine and that I'll have the slightest idea about what I'm doing."

A Les Paul also costs about $300 and change in raw parts.

Also, this idiot is conveniently ignoring the infrastructure and logistics systems required to make these things at scale and get them to your door, but also the artistry needed to create a desirable combination of all these parts good enough for people to want in the first place.

Anyone who has ever played more than one guitar knows how much difference pickups can make and this moron is just pretending it's all arbitrary, that none of it makes a difference, that everybody is throwing money at pickups not because they know what they know, but because we're all deaf suckers for fancy branding.

I wonder if the AI bot who made that slop has ever played more than one guitar in its life.

edit: I’m not saying there’s always a correlation between price and “good tone” because tone is subjective. But I am saying that to write off research and infrastructure cost is retarded.
 
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I used to build pedals and sell them much like Griff (much respect sir) and u would not belive the amount of messages I would get saying "this pedal is like $20 in parts why are you charging $75?" That's cool I guess my knowledge, hours of research, testing, sourcing materials and equipment are worth nothing. Like I was fucking printing money lol.
 
I have a little side business and I have dealt with the same thing. Mine is more of a charity thing. It’s funny because of the people I have done work for and they won’t pay. The arrogance they display is astounding to me. Like I should be happy I made them something and that they are refusing to pay me. Like I should be honored they have graced me with their consideration. Pretty funny….
 
scottosan said:
His math ain’t mathing.

It costs
Between $50-100 per pound spool just for wire depending on if you go poly or plain enamel.


A 1-pound (1 lb) spool of 42 AWG magnet wire contains roughly 50,000 to 51,000 feet of wire. This is enough to wind about 10 to 12 single-coil pickups (like Stratocaster style) or 4 to 6 humbucker pickups


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Your post makes sense..however I would like to bring in the expert in maths


@The~Kid

Would you like to come bring your expertise here?
 
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