What the hell is going on here?

[degenaro]

You really gonna judge some one off some 20 year old youtube clip?
Yeah know, at least give this a listen before you dismiss him...there's clips when you scroll down...
https://www.amazon.com/Yo-Miles-Henry-Ka ... 265&sr=8-1

To add to this...it ain't the cure for cancer, it's improvising, sometimes it's a liberating free flight, some times it's crash and burn, but I don't think the players putting a fraction of the worries on this folks do that don't dig it. Man, if I don't like something...I just move on, life's way too short to get bend out of shape over a guitarist I don't enjoy.

 

[Hectic Watermelon]

You really gonna judge some one off some 20 year old youtube clip?
Yeah know, at least give this a listen before you dismiss him...there's clips when you scroll down...
https://www.amazon.com/Yo-Miles-Henry-Ka ... 265&sr=8-1

To add to this...it ain't the cure for cancer, it's improvising, sometimes it's a liberating free flight, some times it's crash and burn, but I don't the player's outting a fraction of the worries on this folks do that don't dig it. Man, if I don't like something...I just move on, life's way too short to get bend out of shape over a guitarist I don't enjoy.

Yeah, I know. Of course, that Miles stuff is very hip. I am just so jaded about the abstract stuff after having had to sit through hours of electronic blip-blop festivals over several years where I really tried so hard to be patient and take it all in. However, at the end of the day, there are few situation where that hyper-abstract postmodern music really communicates with me at all - especially when it is improvisatory. It very often is something where I am thinking, on one had, that really looks like they are having fun and it would be fun to be them, but on the other hand, I am left scratching my head wondering what it is really all about. Sorry to insult your friend, but to personalize my comments, it is more what that particular thing represents to me. FWIW, he seems like a really pleasant guy from the few videos I have seen and has a raging sense of humor.

 

[degenaro]

You really gonna judge some one off some 20 year old youtube clip?
Yeah know, at least give this a listen before you dismiss him...there's clips when you scroll down...
https://www.amazon.com/Yo-Miles-Henry-Ka ... 265&sr=8-1

To add to this...it ain't the cure for cancer, it's improvising, sometimes it's a liberating free flight, some times it's crash and burn, but I don't the player's outting a fraction of the worries on this folks do that don't dig it. Man, if I don't like something...I just move on, life's way too short to get bend out of shape over a guitarist I don't enjoy.

Yeah, I know. Of course, that Miles stuff is very hip. I am just so jaded about the abstract stuff after having had to sit through hours of electronic blip-blop festivals over several years where I really tried so hard to be patient and take it all in. However, at the end of the day, there are few situation where that hyper-abstract postmodern music really communicates with me at all - especially when it is improvisatory. It very often is something where I am thinking, on one had, that really looks like they are having fun and it would be fun to be them, but on the other hand, I am left scratching my head wondering what it is really all about. Sorry to insult your friend, but to personalize my comments, it is more what that particular thing represents to me. FWIW, he seems like a really pleasant guy from the few videos I have seen and has a raging sense of humor.

No worries...
He is and does, I actually thought of hime as the Emperor's New Cloth type thing when I first heard him, but having heard him play conventioanl stuff I know he does this on purpose...why...I really don't know. But one of his idol's is Derek Bailey.

 

[Bob Savage]

...

Are you going to be at NAMM? We should sip a cold drink together if you are. I'm there Friday.

 

[nwright]

I only watched a few vids, but it didn't sound completely clueless to me, it made "sense" I guess, at times.

As for the first vid, it part 11, so that's why there isn't much audio but a lot of credits. When viewing part 1 through 11 it makes sense. When viewing part 11 on it's own, it doesn't...It's part of a larger whole.

 

[thiswaythatway]

He could have saved himself $30,000 and just got himself a Fender Hot Rod Deville since the Fender can cop all the sounds I'm hearing here. IMHO of course.


Other than that........i just don't get it and i won't bother to try to.

 

[degenaro]

He could have saved himself $30,000 and just got himself a Fender Hot Rod Deville since the Fender can cop all the sounds I'm hearing here. IMHO of course.


Other than that........i just don't get it and i won't bother to try to.

Well, when he bought his Dumbles they were about as much as two Devilles.

 

[degenaro]

And I'm being totally serious when I ask this... But what exactly is the purpose of music theory? I always assumed it was to put the "right" sounding notes together to create different moods or whatever. I mean, I figured someone had to sit there however many hundreds/thousands of years ago and say that THESE specific notes sound "right" together, so this is a scale and it should be followed in this situation.

But yeah, like '63 Strat pointed out (I didn't take offense to it, seriously), I have NO music theory knowledge. I mean, sure I know where to play SAFELY on most situations, but that's it.

What is the purpose? Doesn't everything start with Human's analytical need to be able to break down thins to explain them?

Also, how do you pass on information? No different than language, why are there rules for grammar?
That said music theory isn't a set of never changing rules.
Take a tritone, you know b5...think Dokken Or better, Jimi's Purple Haze
That interval, which happens to be the most important part of a dominant 7 chord, and basically Blues won't really exist without it...
Well, that used to be called the "devil's interval" and was forbidden to be used.

If you go by traditional theory the gazillion Rock tunes where the singer or lead guitar play a minor third over a major chord...that at one time woulda tweaked ears just as much as what Henry dos to a lot of folks.

Another one is...play a minor Blues...and see how many guys will play the b6 instead of the 6. As in f over an Am chord instead of f#. You can chase me out of a room with that f.

 

[philb]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxI2Lrj0yqU

What the hell is that all about? That drummer freaking floors me, then the guitar and bass come in and I think it's one of those parody "*** jams" videos. Is this real? What the hell is that guitar player thinking?

Chris

That drummer sounds like a pair of tennis shoes in a dryer!

 

[thiswaythatway]

And I'm being totally serious when I ask this... But what exactly is the purpose of music theory? I always assumed it was to put the "right" sounding notes together to create different moods or whatever. I mean, I figured someone had to sit there however many hundreds/thousands of years ago and say that THESE specific notes sound "right" together, so this is a scale and it should be followed in this situation.

But yeah, like '63 Strat pointed out (I didn't take offense to it, seriously), I have NO music theory knowledge. I mean, sure I know where to play SAFELY on most situations, but that's it.

What is the purpose? Doesn't everything start with Human's analytical need to be able to break down thins to explain them?

Also, how do you pass on information? No different than language, why are there rules for grammar?
That said music theory isn't a set of never changing rules.
Take a tritone, you know b5...think Dokken Or better, Jimi's Purple Haze
That interval, which happens to be the most important part of a dominant 7 chord, and basically Blues won't really exist without it...
Well, that used to be called the "devil's interval" and was forbidden to be used.

If you go by traditional theory the gazillion Rock tunes where the singer or lead guitar play a minor third over a major chord...that at one time woulda tweaked ears just as much as what Henry dos to a lot of folks.

Another one is...play a minor Blues...and see how many guys will play the b6 instead of the 6. As in f over an Am chord instead of f#. You can chase me out of a room with that f.

I feel that, for the most part, a lot of rock and roll music is really dumbed down to the point where you can get away with not knowing any theory. I'm willing to bet that the Ramones couldn't tell me the notes in an F minor chord.

I guess that's the whole purpose of the rebel attitude that goes along with rock n roll. But if a Jazz player doesn't know his chords, keys, scales, then he's probably going to be very limited.

 

[AmpliFIRE]

That drummer sounds like a pair of tennis shoes in a dryer!

 

[Gainzilla]

Actually, hitting every note wrong is more of a fine art. Hitting many wrong is easy.

That would be awesome fortune cookie material!!!

 

[stratotone]

Thump, check out Winter's Call (by Badlands) - the first solo on that, Jake is playing an F octave over an Em vamp. YIKES! But he makes it work. The first time I heard that (back in the 80s) I nearly crashed my car when the solo started. Now I enjoy it and think it's pretty cool, but it jarred the hell out of me the first time I heard it... which I guess was his intent.

It wasn't what Kaiser was doing in that video that made me kinda gag as much as the context -from the setup and all the gear talk, it prepares you for a totally different experience than the one delivered. Reminded me a lot of what my 6 year old nephew did when I let him play one of my electric guitars into a ton of effects.

Not my cup of tea but I've read some really cool interviews with Kaiser in guitar player magazine. Seems like a pretty cool guy.

Pete

 

[headlessdeadguy]

And some of you guys make fun of Slayer???

 

[SeaDog]

You guys have convinced me that my six year old daughter is a musical genius. She plays "exactly" like this guy does in the videos. In fact, she is convinced that her music is pleasing and correct. When I try and show her a few tips she scolds me and tells me that I'm doing it wrong and this is how "she" plays it. lol

I guess I'm not smart enough to see the beauty in this type of music - it's too far removed from western sounding music to me. For the record, I'm sure the guy probably has mastered many styles before moving on to this type of music, since he seems to sit there with conviction and play the hell out of it. I imagine that if I listened to it enough, eventually it would start to sound ok and I'd "get" it, not unlike other styles that I like. For instance, how many guys here have tried to listen to Malmsteen when the wife is around and gotten a great response? Sort of an extreme version of the same thing. If someone will listen then he should just keep on it.

 

[thiswaythatway]

And some of you guys make fun of Slayer???

Not Slayer as a band but rather Kerry Kings solos which sound like an out of key turkey fight. Yes, that one never gets old.

 

[headlessdeadguy]

And some of you guys make fun of Slayer???

Not Slayer as a band but rather Kerry Kings solos which sound like an out of key turkey fight. Yes, that one never gets old.

 

[stephen sawall]

Is it me or does Jake come off as a hack in this .....

 

[JTyson]

Jake E. Lee 1 > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HhDNlSvqJU
Jake E. Lee 2 > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpNLKQ2ABV8

I mean, just listen to that. I'm not gonna go into a "oh my gosh, he's the second coming" routine. But you have to admit that what he's playing is kinda unique compared to other guys at that time. It's weird sounding, but not crazy weird like this other stuff. Different, but still pleasing to my ear.

That's about as far from "normal" as I can go without getting annoyed.

I agree, I think Jake was a little bored with what was going on at the time, and was trying to do somthing a little different

 

[Anonymous]

this is nothing new. jeck beck and jan hammer were doing this 35 years ago.