Wow a Rockstah mod 5 head is not cheap...

[sivad]

There was another guy (Efrasier) with the Mod 5 in a JCM800 that sounded really good on youtube--anybody else seen that vid? He sounded just as good as Mark to me

 

[AndyK]

There was another guy (Efrasier) with the Mod 5 in a JCM800 that sounded really good on youtube--anybody else seen that vid? He sounded just as good as Mark to me

Yup! He came the closest. If you search for Rockstah on YouTube, my lamer videos come up, and only a handful of others. Mine never sounded like Mark or EFrasier.

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

I've usually done one take, copy it, paste it to the other side and delay it ever so slightly so it finishes just after the prominent side. I then throw some verb and delay on it. Gives it a ping pong sort of thing but ultimately, recording two diff guitars just sounds great if your playing is clean because it naturally is offset due to the fact that we are not machines.

 

[mightymike]

If you do this mod to a 12000 series spec amp, no filtering changes will be needed, and it is very quick and cheap.

Yes, definitely, and I also have seen (and heard Mark record through) mods of his that had higher filtering that he didn't bother to change and they didn't sound different the way he records them.

Mark multitracked his guitar tracks. There's nothing wrong with that. Ed at least double tracked. Many people do this. It makes the recorded amp tone sound huge. Just copy you guitar track, and paste it into 3 other spots, then only add effects to one of them. You'll see what I mean immediately.

I always double track rhythm guitars, however, I don't think the copying and moving tracks thing works very well. I've tried it and it doesn't sound anywhere near as good as actually recording multiple takes on different tracks. It is the (hopefully) small nuances between the takes that makes that huge sound...

Steve

No argument here. Multiple mics and angles is definagely much better. I was just showing a quick and dirty way for anyone with a limited setup to see the difference quickly, and even in this limited way the difference is big.

 

[mightymike]

Mark multitracked his guitar tracks. There's nothing wrong with that. Ed at least double tracked. Many people do this. It makes the recorded amp tone sound huge. Just copy you guitar track, and paste it into 3 other spots, then only add effects to one of them. You'll see what I mean immediately.

I always double track rhythm guitars, however, I don't think the copying and moving tracks thing works very well. I've tried it and it doesn't sound anywhere near as good as actually recording multiple takes on different tracks. It is the (hopefully) small nuances between the takes that makes that huge sound...

Steve

Nope, the copy paste/move thing is useless in my opinion. At least to my ears, the magic of multitracking is in the very slight variations of the performance. For things like needing a specialized effect that requires a destructive edit yeah, copy and paste away, but that's not multitracking and in my opinion, neither is copying and pasting.

Oh and mightymike, Ed was multitracking his rhythms on the early albums? Perhaps there were some rare cases of it, but there's no way he was multitracking on the first few albums as a matter of practice. I'm open to being proven wrong, but I just don't hear it.

I don't know if he was on the Rythms. I could be wrong. Just sounded like Multiple tracks to sound so huge so I've always assumed it was. What Ted T/Landee did after was obviously a lot. You can hear the difference from those ISO tracks. Not really wanting to be a VH clone, I've more focused on the Amp side of things anyways.