Another guitar fakery video, this one about Tim Henson

[VonBonfire]

And now, no one can tell the difference between "modern metal" bands and AI slop - can you believe that?!

Yeah I can man, it really sucks and tbh I think about hanging it up all the time. It's the same situation with blues. You mention blues and people start naming a bunch of blues-rock stuff, which has nothing to do with blues save for pentatonic scales. On the other hand are the guys who insist on playing throwback wanna-be T-Bone stuff. It's cool but damn, I thought the whole point was to find your own path?

I am well aware of this - I played in a cover band for a few years playing awful music and have never been paid more at gigs. It was eye-opening, for sure. Getting paid hundreds or even thousands of dollars to play just complete and utter dogshit at wineries and weddings.

Fortunately I have a couple people that have functioned as patrons that have paid me well enough to have a five piece band once a month, which is something I worked for about ten years at just to find the gigs that would cover the bill plus the personnel that were capable enough to make it worth having them.

As you said, guys under 40....I basically have to hold on the job training for new guys in the band if they are under 40 because of what's happened to blues. The youngest dude in the group is in his late 30's, killer player, but he doesn't know how to play loud because most gigs don't allow it anymore. It's a smaller and smaller market share. I could go on a deep dive about the whole blues scene and why it's so problematic to try and run a band but I suppose metal and punk is not really much different in terms of demographics, logistics, and financials. Not sure if there is really gonna be a way forward. All I can do is my part.

 

[DanTravis62]

Not sure if there is really gonna be a way forward. All I can do is my part.

It's slightly different in that with punk and metal there are generally more "scenes" with a lot more inertia - both culturally and musically. They are used to being in the underground, and doin' it DIY. With blues it seems like there are a couple of cities and scenes but it's just not as ubiquitous.

If you don't have an Austin blues "scene", that would be my goal if I were you. Make friends with like-minded bands. Put on shows together and build it up slowly.

I honestly think every genre of music is going to have to use the punk blueprint, going forward. Do it yourself, locally. Start a scene. Build inertia

 

[VonBonfire]

It's slightly different in that with punk and metal there are generally more "scenes" with a lot more inertia - both culturally and musically. They are used to being in the underground, and doin' it DIY. With blues it seems like there are a couple of cities and scenes but it's just not as ubiquitous.

Yeah maybe so. With blues it's the old heads all aging out or being dead already so less young people are exposed to it. Like a downward spiral. Less active bands, less exposure to younger people, less younger people taking it up as an art form etc etc.

If you don't have an Austin blues "scene", that would be my goal if I were you. Make friends with like-minded bands. Put on shows together and build it up slowly.

Solid suggestion, keep reading. Austin is a lost cause. Could go into great detail but just use your imagination...

The real scene here is down in New Braunfels now. Actual paying gigs, younger people who still like to go out, a business friendly environment, and crowds who aren't jaded by having live music on blast 24/7. I'm hopefully gonna put on a bluesfest down there again this year. It went off pretty good last year. I say I because it has my name on it. Bands I think are worth having. A couple Austin bands, some San Antonio area guys, and possibly some friends from up in Clarksdale. I have to see what kind of sponsorship $ we have to work with.

I honestly think every genre of music is going to have to use the punk blueprint, going forward. Do it yourself, locally. Start a scene. Build inertia

This is 100% the reality.

 

[DanTravis62]

This is 100% the reality.

The (underground, extreme) metal dudes already learned this lesson by necessity, but it's going to start hitting the other genres of softer metal/hard rock, indie, blues, folk, everyone. Even the coffee houses only hire cover acoustic singers here now.

Everyone's gonna have to start doing music like the punks do or else it's gonna die. As you said you were doin.

Put on your own shows/festivals, print out your own fliers, build a local community that appreciates what's going on. The cool part is if you just keep plugging away, eventually the kids get inspired to do it and start their own bands. I think that's what you gotta do with the blues to keep the flame alive. If you can press your own records and cds that really helps - that's what we started doing in my neighborhood, and after a decade or so it actually worked. Now we have kids starting their own bands and tons of people coming to shows, but it was dead at one point.

The only way to keep live original music alive as an artform is to do it forcibly, at this point

 

[VonBonfire]

Even the coffee houses only hire cover acoustic singers here now.

Yeah, the tool on a stool as we call it down here is dominating most venues. It's a 75 song playlist that seems to shrink by five songs every year.

The only way to keep live original music alive as an artform is to do it forcibly, at this point

I question how much longer I should continue to try all the time while simultaneously realizing I'm of the age where I've passed the point of no return. I have 8 years of no real work history other than gigs. I've done just about everything I could, much of what you've already suggested in your post, but I'm starting to get tired of never seeing any real return. At the same time I'm realizing playing goals I've always wanted to reach. Nothing easy about trying to do something real I guess.

 

[DanTravis62]

Yeah, the tool on a stool as we call it down here is dominating most venues. It's a 75 song playlist that seems to shrink by five songs every year.


I question how much longer I should continue to try all the time while simultaneously realizing I'm of the age where I've passed the point of no return. I have 8 years of no real work history other than gigs. I've done just about everything I could, much of what you've already suggested in your post, but I'm starting to get tired of never seeing any real return. At the same time I'm realizing playing goals I've always wanted to reach. Nothing easy about trying to do something real I guess.

You gotta find like minded people to work with, man. I am just one of half a dozen people who did it here. If i tried to do it by myself it would have completely failed.

You gotta have other people, other bands, people to run sound, people to get shit done

 

[VonBonfire]

You gotta find like minded people to work with, man. I am just one of half a dozen people who did it here. If i tried to do it by myself it would have completely failed.

You gotta have other people, other bands, people to run sound, people to get shit done

Yeah I hear you. I have all that and feel pretty spoiled in a way because a lot of guys never make it to the lowly stage I'm at cause it's such a mess getting there. I mean...I've moved my whole family cross country about six times at this point chasing gigs and glory, LOL. But for real I've had the same group of guys going for quite a few years now. The core unit since 2018. Guys who actually WANT to work and guys who don't cry about rehearsal. If we didn't love it I guess we would've folded up shop a long time ago amirite?

 

[RaceU4her]

Isn't that what the Monkees were? A media corporation that somewhat "invented" a band? I would bet there are more examples of this but I don't spend a lot of time looking into it.
Just knowing how the corporateduschers operate. I wouldn't be suprised if there are a few more "invented" propped up, or otherwised hyped acts out there. Especially in the more electronic music styles like hip hop / pop singer with dancers, etc.

They were that at the beginning at least, then I think eventually started actually writing and recording their own stuff. I thought that was common knowledge though, I’m more talking like what I read recently with Aerosmith, where it’s actually studio guys on a lot of those first few classic albums, or Beau Hill calling in session guys to play Ratt songs, or the wrecking crew apparently recording Motley Crue songs.

I hate the thought of “faking” or even editing of any kind, I record everything I do in one take. Trying to call out a dude like Tim Henson though, for the sole purpose of making money through the views he knows he gonna get by using his name, is just sleazy.

 

[nightlight]

When AI picks up and learns more, there won't be anything left. Just robot DJs playing blues numbers in a smoky bar based on prompts.

There are a lot of festivals shutting down nowadays as well. Fewer places to play live all the time. And on top of everything else, the ticket prices have become unreasonable along with everything else.

My guess is once the old bands like ACDC, GnR and Metallica are gone, there won't be any hard rock or heavy metal. Can only imagine the twat that pays $700 to watch Polyphia.

What really hurts is that the old bands have already sold out to whatever master plan is being enacted. I can't stand new Metallica, or Maiden, or Megadeth. The albums just don't live up to the hype anymore.

RIP live music and heavy music.

 

[Techdeth]

It’s even worse; when I was backstage at a Polyphia concert, Tim faked his orgasm

You can tell with your buthole huh ?

 

[pipelineaudio]

I dont get this serge guy. I want to give him massive leeway as he is from the superior Arizona race but he just seems to be trolling like that sor hands guy.

 

[thegame]

You can tell with your buthole huh ?

Yes because all the while he kept on saying, “that’s what you get for making Techdeth the butt of your jokes all the time!”

 

[Fiesta Red]

Out of curiosity, who is in the audience at at Polyphia concert? Is it a sausage fest? Mostly guitar players? Age? Wonder what percent of the audience is female.

Anyone see them live?

 

[thegame]

Out of curiosity, who is in the audience at at Polyphia concert? Is it a sausage fest? Mostly guitar players? Age? Wonder what percent of the audience is female.

Anyone see them live?

The average age is probably 25 but their sausages are no older than 10

 

[RaceU4her]

When AI picks up and learns more, there won't be anything left. Just robot DJs playing blues numbers in a smoky bar based on prompts.

There are a lot of festivals shutting down nowadays as well. Fewer places to play live all the time. And on top of everything else, the ticket prices have become unreasonable along with everything else.

My guess is once the old bands like ACDC, GnR and Metallica are gone, there won't be any hard rock or heavy metal. Can only imagine the twat that pays $700 to watch Polyphia.

What really hurts is that the old bands have already sold out to whatever master plan is being enacted. I can't stand new Metallica, or Maiden, or Megadeth. The albums just don't live up to the hype anymore.

RIP live music and heavy music.

So to combat guitar music supposedly going away, which its not, we should combat the master plan by trying to tear down dudes like Tim, who like him or not are one of the few players in recent times doing something unique that inspires others to play?? im really confused?

 

[DanTravis62]

So to combat guitar music supposedly going away, which its not, we should combat the master plan by trying to tear down dudes like Tim, who like him or not are one of the few players in recent times doing something unique that inspires others to play?? im really confused?

Guitar music isn't going away, we have guitar music at home

(the guitar music at home); faggot tim hansen music, fake influencer tripe, demilich skinsuits like GNR and Metallica that wont die and get out of the way for anyone else

 

[nightlight]

So to combat guitar music supposedly going away, which its not, we should combat the master plan by trying to tear down dudes like Tim, who like him or not are one of the few players in recent times doing something unique that inspires others to play?? im really confused?

Listener numbers may paint a picture of a very healthy metal movement and rising streams, but that does not translate into cash for most bands. There simply is no money in it except for the "creme de la creme", and let's not forget Dan's skinsuit comment just above this if one wants to know who I think are the creamy layer.

It's incredibly unsustainable and we'll see a rising number of regular bands made up of normal people that don't eat children quit in pursuit of alternate occupations rising as other genres and AI music eats up more of listeners' time.

No one's trying to tear down anyone other than the Youtuber. I saw the video and thought it was interesting how bad they sounded. I didn't do a deep dive and listen to 45 minutes.

My reaction was that it sucked, and I have heard Polyphia a few times and found it sounded like pop metal, and I'd rather listen to something else than that.

For all we know about the Vai video, it could have been punishment for damaging his expensive monitors when one of their tracks clipped when they played one of their tracks at his house.

The YTer probably is another demilich for all I know, he's got 150k or so hits and won't have to work for a year now after sharing his cut with the circle above him.

If he's not from a circle, my condolences to his wife and kids, we may never see him again.

As to my grievance with Tim, I find he has way too many tattoos. Like way too many. I'm quite old school in that way, and honestly believe that so many of the metal musicians now sport them, it's because they're gangland colours and signs by a very elite club that is begging for attention.