angelspade
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Interesting...Does this (2:50) not sound bright or aggressive enough in the top-end?
RaceU4her
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maybe im a dumbass too cause i agree, this demo to me just sounded like a typical friedman. i have my 3Monkeys jose preamp and treble monster is a good way to describe it
angelspade
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I watched a 3Monkeys amp demo once (no longer posted) that sounded so good I couldn't believe it. That said, that Friedman demo that I just posted (Rocco Pezzin) also sounds pretty killer to me....and very bright.
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itsme
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Yep. Starting with the Marsha, Dave’s made a career out of changing a resistor or two and calling it a new amp
BABMusic
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If I just go by PassonforTone's comparison video, yes -- I can't hear much of a difference. I would expect though that the feel and response of each of them would be different. Is that worth $3800? There's obvoiusly no wrong answer.
Jakem
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Euge is great but I’m not a fan of his tone on any of his vids.
angelspade
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Well...He does tend to boost everything...which isn't for everyone.
Jakem
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Boosted or not.
reignman454
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Not being rude, ever been in the room with a Jose or watched a solid mic’d up video? They’re mosquitos. Angry, vicious mosquitos. (I love the tone but as my ears age I get it….)
I just don’t hear it. Yes it sounds bright, but theirs bright to me and Jose Marshall bright which as race said, I’m not alone. Again, I might be the dumb one.
angelspade
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Yes, I I've experienced a few Jose mod Marshalls...I live in LA. Ok then...there bright and then there's BRIGHT. So question: Bright or not...Does that demo not sound good to you? Maybe it's me that's dumb.
reignman454
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Does it sound good? Absolutely. Does it sound like a modded Marshall? Absolutely.
That amp was touted as Dave’s been in 50-100, nobody knows more or has seen more than him.
Does that amp sound like the best sounding Jose you’ve heard? Does it sound close?
Amps killer… but I’ve got non Jose modded Marshall’s that sound closer to my ears. I hate typing it, I know it sounds dumb but it just doesn’t snarl.
Take he who shall not be named for instance. You hear one of his modded Marshall’s and you instantly know, yup that’s mean. (If that’s your thing)
This to me sounds like another Friedman product. Well made, safe and pleasant. I want aggressive, probably going to break and who stole my wallet.
BABMusic
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What's interesting is that there's been so much praise for this amp, yet if you really think about it, it's not really Dave's work. I mean, yes, he did have to determine the mods and figure it out, but he was mostly taking what was already created by Jose. So in a way, it's not really a "Friedman" Friedman amp.
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Meanjoegreene
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I know it’s doubtful but anyone compared the Jose to the Phil X ?
I’m sure the Jose has more gain but I wonder if the best vs best is similar ?
I’m sure the Jose has more gain but I wonder if the best vs best is similar ?
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BedrockPoster
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Euge always sounds amazing. He does his thing no matter what he's playing.
angelspade
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Understood. I have not played the Friedman Jose, nor have I been in the room while somebody else was playing one.But to my ears it sounds considerably less polished, polite or produced than the Friedmans I have played and watched many demos demos of over the years. In terms of the "snarl" factor, I think I understand what you mean: There is a "ripping" feel in the mids and upper mids...an organic openness that is specific to older Marshalls when cranked that is hard to duplicate by any other means. Would a vintage Marshall Jose Plexi or modded JCM800 beat the Friedman Jose in this category? I think many Marshall "purists" would say yes...And I might agree. That said, I am hearing a lot of that ripping upper mid feel in the Rocco Pezzin demo that I posted.
ChurchHill
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The Jose is considerably less polished than the other Friedmans I've played. Would I trade my 2203 for it? No, but I doubt I'd trade my Jose for my 2203, either. They're different, but both have that ripping upper-mid cut.
I think part of what people are hearing in those videos is the IR (Rocco) or cab + mics (Euge). T75s don't have the upper-mid aggressiveness that Greenbacks or V30s do. Rocco's vid comes a lot closer to what I'm experiencing in the room. When I play my 2203 through T75s, it doesn't have quite the same bite, either.
It's been a while since I've played a vintage Jose Marshall, but the Jose gets there for me. Most vintage Jose Marshalls aren't in the best condition anymore, and even if restored, probably don't sound exactly like what they did when they left his shop. The Friedman Jose is new and healthy. Jose built each one a little differently, too, and the Friedman Jose is meant as a best of collection. It's not supposed to be a copy of a specific vintage Jose.
Are there better sounding vintage Jose Marshalls? Very likely, but it's also likely that there are worse sounding vintage Joses, too. Not to mention that what works for one player may not work for another. I think the point of playing in the first place is to sound like yourself, anyway. The Jose works for me, gets me the sounds I want out of it, and inspires me to play. Anyone else may have a different result, of course.
I do like how Jose's family was involved with Friedman in the development of the Jose.
I think part of what people are hearing in those videos is the IR (Rocco) or cab + mics (Euge). T75s don't have the upper-mid aggressiveness that Greenbacks or V30s do. Rocco's vid comes a lot closer to what I'm experiencing in the room. When I play my 2203 through T75s, it doesn't have quite the same bite, either.
It's been a while since I've played a vintage Jose Marshall, but the Jose gets there for me. Most vintage Jose Marshalls aren't in the best condition anymore, and even if restored, probably don't sound exactly like what they did when they left his shop. The Friedman Jose is new and healthy. Jose built each one a little differently, too, and the Friedman Jose is meant as a best of collection. It's not supposed to be a copy of a specific vintage Jose.
Are there better sounding vintage Jose Marshalls? Very likely, but it's also likely that there are worse sounding vintage Joses, too. Not to mention that what works for one player may not work for another. I think the point of playing in the first place is to sound like yourself, anyway. The Jose works for me, gets me the sounds I want out of it, and inspires me to play. Anyone else may have a different result, of course.
I do like how Jose's family was involved with Friedman in the development of the Jose.
angelspade
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Well said Sir.
Rev
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I have the Jose and it rips. It has that Marshall kerrang to it. Not as much gain than the BE50 I had, but the Jose just has that 80’s modded sound that’s fun to play. It cleans up well with the guitar volume. I’d say the BE is more harmonically rich but the Jose is 80’s in a box. Both awesome. I pair it with the micro pitch and SDE3 and call it a day.
technomancer
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Just got bored and went back and forth between a 1973 Superlead and the Friedman Jose dialed in the same way. Same PS100 settings, same 76 cab, switching back and forth. The Friedman is a hair louder but is not any darker than the actual Marshall.
reignman454
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Appreciate the chime in from someone with experience. Did it leave you wanting considering the hype? If the amp was 2k, I’m in. Approaching 4k, it’s in the grail amp category unless you’re looking at you know who’s. Brad era or not.
