Bad luck with JJ ecc83s

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Environmental considerations aren't even remotely the biggest issue. It's a niche product, being produced in countries with lower labor/production/material costs, on tooling whose R&D costs were recouped decades ago, and even so, margins are razor thin. Just about anyone with experience bringing up a tube production facility is either dead or retired.

I can't imagine a scenario in which you'd ever reach profitability if you're starting from a greenfield. You'd need to acquire the tooling/production from one of the other manufactures, and bring it to the U.S., and then adapt everything for our labor/environmental/distribution/supply chain practices, etc. Oh, and you're probably going to have to import at least some of the materials, because that's one of the many things we started out-sourcing back in the 80s.

Western Electric probably had the best chances of getting their toes into this, and we're STILL waiting. I'm highly dubious that they can make it happen in a way that makes money for them.
 
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MusicIsLife said:
Environmental considerations aren't even remotely the biggest issue. It's a niche product, being produced in countries with lower labor/production/material costs, on tooling whose R&D costs were recouped decades ago, and even so, margins are razor thin. Just about anyone with experience bringing up a tube production facility is either dead or retired.

I can't imagine a scenario in which you'd ever reach profitability if you're starting from a greenfield. You'd need to acquire the tooling/production from one of the other manufactures, and bring it to the U.S., and then adapt everything for our labor/environmental/distribution/supply chain practices, etc. Oh, and you're probably going to have to import at least some of the materials, because that's one of the many things we start out-sourcing back in the 80s.

Western Electric probably had the best chances of getting their toes into this, and we're STILL waiting. I'm highly dubious that they can make it happen in a way that makes money for them.
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I was just thinking Western Electric reading your post.

I thought they put out costs for tubes if they started up American production that were crazy?
Seems like there was a Tone Talk that covered this?
 
The~Kid said:
Not everything is just about money though....... and maybe it seems improbable or impossible but it wouldn't be so bad if anyone did...... even if it meant "failure".

IMO there will still be a need and use for tubes in the future even with advancements in tech now. Maybe we can keep kicking the can down the road perpetually forever on Chinese/Russian/Slovakian tubes..... or everything will just go digital by that point given no other real options..... but something tells me whatever the case tubes will still be relevant.
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As relevant as two strokes and carburetors.
 
dcburn said:
Now lets keep this civilized...
Two stroke motors rule!

Funny side note...
A while ago I mention two strokes damaging my hearing over the years.
A forumite apologized for me having two strokes that damaged my hearing. :unsure:
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Well, you are a fucking stroke!
So theres that...
 
dcburn said:
Now lets keep this civilized...
Two stroke motors rule!

Funny side note...
A while ago I mention two strokes damaging my hearing over the years.
A forumite apologized for me having two strokes that damaged my hearing. :unsure:
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A 4 stroke (gsxr750) damaged mine. But it was from the accident, not the bike. Love 2 strokes have my KDX still and my husband has a 70s H2 750.
 
The~Kid said:
Yeah if your looking for an upgrade the 9th Gen from Ruby Tube or Groove Tubes are a good start gain wise and they are brighter also then either LPS or Tungsol LPS is brighter and Tungsol darker but both pack gain. LPS packs more gain than TungSol though but not as much as a 9th Gen.


Also consider the 9th Gen from The Tube Store at 20 bucks and they match them or whatever too but can't go wrong with either Ruby Tubes at Dougs Tubes or Groove Tubes at Ruby Tubes.
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I went through all my tubes last night and for the first time ever I noticed that each brand had a different construction inside the glass. Tung Sol has a more detailed inside, while Shuguang has a certain look that is exactly the same as the Mesa tubes I own. JJ has a different inside and so does EH. I never even noticed before.
 
Nothing has, or ever will be as cool as a Maico 490.

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MusicIsLife said:
Environmental considerations aren't even remotely the biggest issue. It's a niche product, being produced in countries with lower labor/production/material costs, on tooling whose R&D costs were recouped decades ago, and even so, margins are razor thin. Just about anyone with experience bringing up a tube production facility is either dead or retired.

I can't imagine a scenario in which you'd ever reach profitability if you're starting from a greenfield. You'd need to acquire the tooling/production from one of the other manufactures, and bring it to the U.S., and then adapt everything for our labor/environmental/distribution/supply chain practices, etc. Oh, and you're probably going to have to import at least some of the materials, because that's one of the many things we started out-sourcing back in the 80s.

Western Electric probably had the best chances of getting their toes into this, and we're STILL waiting. I'm highly dubious that they can make it happen in a way that makes money for them.
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This scenerio would presume manufacturing would be done in the US....... and the least successful scenario.......though possible still the least probable......



The US isn't the only viable option for possible tube production and probably the least viable and yeah Vietnam, India or Mexico would probably be a better option given factors and considerations.
 
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