CAMERON CCV AND FRIEDMAN BE-100 VIDEO CLIP

[jcj]

Man am I glad I didn't trade my Marsha for a CCV.

I pick Friedman for the win.

It's honestly all about the user...I've played both quite a bit, and the CCV is a better fit for me...not sure what your result would be, but there's only one way to find out...play them and dial them yourself

 

[se7en]

I like the CCV better here...both great lead tones, but more going on with CCV rhythm tone, IMHO.

 

[fuzzyguitars]

another vote for the friedman.

but that cab was on the ground, which usually makes the sound fuller due to the increased bass resonance of the floor, unless it was sitting on concrete!

 

[JackTripper]

Overall, I like the Friedman tone in this video. But need to A/B using the same cab. The Scumbacks are superior to the Ann. H30s.

 

[LP Freak]

Overall, I like the Friedman tone in this video. But need to A/B using the same cab. The Scumbacks are superior to the Ann. H30s.

The CCV was voiced with that cabinet and speakers and the Friedman with Scumbacks.

 

[JackTripper]

Overall, I like the Friedman tone in this video. But need to A/B using the same cab. The Scumbacks are superior to the Ann. H30s.

The CCV was voiced with that cabinet and speakers and the Friedman with Scumbacks.

Yeah, the h30s are stock in the Cameron cabs. I've tried a pair in an oversized non-Cameron 2x12 and they didn't work for me with my CCV, not my taste. I'm running my CCV into Scumbacks (H75/M75) and it was a whole new world.

 

[LP Freak]

Overall, I like the Friedman tone in this video. But need to A/B using the same cab. The Scumbacks are superior to the Ann. H30s.

The CCV was voiced with that cabinet and speakers and the Friedman with Scumbacks.

Yeah, the h30s are stock in the Cameron cabs. I've tried a pair in an oversized non-Cameron 2x12 and they didn't work for me with my CCV, not my taste. I'm running my CCV into Scumbacks (H75/M75) and it was a whole new world.

I couldn't agree more but just stating the facts.

 

[50MkII]

The CCV was voiced with that cabinet and speakers and the Friedman with Scumbacks.

Stock for a Friedman 4x12 is (2) Celestion Greenback RI's on top, (2) Celestion Vintage 30's on bottom. That combination with the Friedman BE-100 to my ears was difficult to imagine a better combination. Great balance. The Cameron and Friedman 4x12's dimension specs are identical, with the Cameron maybe being .25" difference in height, if at all. Cameron is stocked with casters. Dave does not like the casters that are available.

 

[RACKSYSTEMS]

Casters are nice to move things but sound bad to me and also all the ones available seem to be junk. This is why my cabs don't have them.

 

[bwgintegra]

I have 3 cabs, the Friedman, Cameron, and Bogner w/v30's. I have tried the amps with all the cabs and for me the Friedman sounded the best with the Friedman cab and the CCV with the Cameron cab. My opinion would be if I used one cab to a/b the amps one amp would suffer. Thanks for everyone watching and the comments!

Brett

 

[FourT6and2]

Both sound good. In this particular clip, and listening with my Bose headphones, the CCV sounded better to me. The Friedman was smoother, more bass, less mids. But both were really good.

It'd be nice to hear each amp through the same cab, loaded with 4 of the same speakers, though.

 

[Gainzilla]

I like the CCV better here...both great lead tones, but more going on with CCV rhythm tone, IMHO.

Im with ya and I cant believe the majority going for the Friedman. The CCV had a snarl where as the Friedman sounded muffled to me..

Im kind of shocked, I thought that I was going to like the Friedman hands down over the CCV...

That said, Im a Fortin modded JVM guy through and through....

 

[War Admiral]

Yup this is the first time I comment on a CCV thread and after listening to this one and the other Atomica thread I always hear the same thing, something going on in the high mids that causes ear fatigue. I too think the Friedman has a better balanced tone.

 

[se7en]

Yup this is the first time I comment on a CCV thread and after listening to this one and the other Atomica thread I always hear the same thing, something going on in the high mids that causes ear fatigue. I too think the Friedman has a better balanced tone.

Well, you can always turn down the mids. I liked that the CCV seemed to have more clarity.

 

[War Admiral]

Yup this is the first time I comment on a CCV thread and after listening to this one and the other Atomica thread I always hear the same thing, something going on in the high mids that causes ear fatigue. I too think the Friedman has a better balanced tone.

Well, you can always turn down the mids. I liked that the CCV seemed to have more clarity.

Yes you can but the voicing does not change, you just make it less apparent.

 

[se7en]

Yup this is the first time I comment on a CCV thread and after listening to this one and the other Atomica thread I always hear the same thing, something going on in the high mids that causes ear fatigue. I too think the Friedman has a better balanced tone.

Well, you can always turn down the mids. I liked that the CCV seemed to have more clarity.

Yes you can but the voicing does not change, you just make it less apparent.

True.

Personally, I like a lot of mids, especially in a band mix, which is something else to consider here. I'd rather an amp show all the flaws along with the parts that I nail...prefer more honest voicings.

 

[War Admiral]

Yup this is the first time I comment on a CCV thread and after listening to this one and the other Atomica thread I always hear the same thing, something going on in the high mids that causes ear fatigue. I too think the Friedman has a better balanced tone.

Well, you can always turn down the mids. I liked that the CCV seemed to have more clarity.

Yes you can but the voicing does not change, you just make it less apparent.

True.

Personally, I like a lot of mids, especially in a band mix, which is something else to consider here. I'd rather an amp show all the flaws along with the parts that I nail...prefer more honest voicings.

I hear ya bro' I too like lottsa of mids...its the values of the tone stack that I cant get along with. Like anything though its hard to tell with just an uploaded clip without playing with it yourself

 

[FUZZboat]

Both sound good. In this particular clip, and listening with my Bose headphones, the CCV sounded better to me. The Friedman was smoother, more bass, less mids. But both were really good.

It'd be nice to hear each amp through the same cab, loaded with 4 of the same speakers, though.

ditto


I'd like to hear each amp thru the same cab/speakers (not at
the same time of course )


for example: my beloved JCM800 2204 sounds down right awesome thru my B52 4x12 - play it thru my buddys Rivera 4x12 and it loses some of its "magic"


FWIW

 

[TX6Strings]

[/quote]the Friedman sounded muffled to me..[/quote]

Agreed...but I'd imagine you could tweak the highs and mids up a bit and fix that. The CCV did sound a little more modern/agressive to my ears where as the Friedman had a bit more of a vintage vibe going on.

Both sounded better than my stock DSL!

 

[Audioholic]

I think the angle of where the cab is at is gonna affect the tone in this video. the Friedman sounds more off axis. Personally I liked the CCV better in this video, but I can't say for sure since they have different volume and axis