Diezel Einstein - Anybody using one? Midrange issues

[duesentrieb]

Change its high mid and mid character.

 

[Random Hero]

Interesting. Is this a common mod? Any comparison clips/feedback from people who have done the mod?

 

[FourT6and2]

It's the 1x12, so it has a V30. Still sounds scooped. Tried the deep off thing and it's definitely an improvement but it loses a little... depth, becomes flatter. The deep knob sounds like it's also cranking up the lower midrange to me and along with a boosted presence, it seems to act like a dual band 'loudness' control. Big smiley face.

If you get the sound you like with the mids cranked, what's the problem? Just crank those mids. Or do you have a problem, visually, with the mid knob being higher than the others? If it's on Channel 1, maybe I can understand because it's shared EQ and maybe you want one mode to have more mids and another with less? But regardless, for me, Tte mids are usually maxed out on every amp I use anyway. I have an Einstein Combo as well and I generally run the mids at 100% too. Same thing on Marshalls. Same thing on my Peters.

You could try dropping the bass and deep/depth a bit as well as the gain (maybe 12:00 - 1:00) and you'll get more of a mid-range emphasis.

But that's the Diezel sound. They have lots of low end and low mids. But maybe try these EQ settings:

For high-gain on Channel 1, Mode 3:

Presence: 11:00
Depth: 9:30
Master: To Taste, but at least 10:00
Volume: 12:00
Treble: 11:30 - 1:00
Mid: Maxed Out
Bass: 10:00
Gain: 2:30

Same settings would work on Channel 2 as well. But it will be more compressed and more gain. I'd drop the gain down to like 12:00 on this channel.

Well, various issues with cranking the mids to full. Visually? No. The clean mode doesn't spank in the same way being the obvious one but I tune the amp to the room. What if I'm still not cutting? There's literally nowhere left to go when you max something, which I think is a bit of a concern.

I have no problem cutting with my Einstein 1x12 combo. And my mids are maxed. But we all use our amps in different ways. I use Channel 1 for clean and Channel 2 for my gain. Channel 1, Mode 3 is good. But it's a little thin compared to Channel 2. In your first post you said the amp sounds good with the mdis maxed. So why would you need "somewhere left to go"? I guess I'm just missing what your concern is. Do you use Channel 2? Or is your concern that you switch modes on the fly on Channel 1 and you like the way the gain sounds with maxed mids but not the clean sound? If so, then yeah... that's an issue. But the amp wasn't designed to switch modes like that live. That's where the D-Moll comes in.

Also, my Einstein is an older one and looking at the circuit it appears as though there are some modifications or changes done at the factory. So maybe mine doesn't sound the same, I don't know. But good luck! Maybe an EQ in the loop would help...

Crank the mids. Lower bass. I wonder why guys run their bass so high as it obscures the other frequencies.

Yup!

Isn't that kind of the diezel sound? I know that's supposed to be one of their more versatile amps but I feel you get that with a lot of modern metal high gain monsters the other channels are effected but the overall scooped and dark nature of the amp. I have more experience with engl's in this department but I think the same may apply. The Einstein seems like a killer head though and has intrigued me for awhile

It might be with some high gain amps. However my Triple Rec will slice through any band mix and thump the entire band if I'm not careful. It's certainly a high gain amp.

This seems to be a common topic with Diezel threads though. I couldn't say. I've never used one with a band.

The common topic among Diezel threads is that your Triple Recto works great as a door stop. I do think that's BS because a properly dialed in Recto with a simple TS808 can stomp anything for heavy stuff.

Haha. I can think of hundreds of songs/albums that sound incredible with Boogies.
I have yet to hear something recorded that sounds as good with a Diezel.

Can someone please direct me towards an amazing sounding album recorded with a Diezel? Don't say Tool. Something not mixed with a Marshall. Please. I'd love to hear one.

FYI. I've played a VH4 and I thought it was killer. Great amp.

Adam jones only tracks with the Diezels. (per Peter Stapfer)
Listen to 10'000 days, it's all Diezel.

Pretty sure for that album he used his VH4, Marshall Superbass, a Rivera(not sure which) and I think 4 other amps including a Peavey of some kind? There was a LONG thread about that recorded tone a while ago, not sure which forum though. But either way that tone on 'The Pot' is one of my favorite tones ever...but the consensus from people who have pretty close ties to the engineer was that 7 amps were blended but that the Marshall and Diezel were like 80% of the tone you hear on that album. But I'm just remembering what I read...when I saw them live 2 years ago it was '76 Marshall and VH4..

Yeah. 10,000 Days was recorded with a bunch of amps including Rivera, Peavey, Bogner, Marshall, Diezel... maybe something else, I don't know. But mostly Diezel and Marshall.

 

[Random Hero]

FourT6and2, as I said, I like to have somewhere to go on EQ to suit a room, to whatever. I don't *mind* maxing the mids, it's just less than ideal. Just as cranking volume, gain or bass would be!

 

[ejecta]

Your experience is why I never kept any Diezel I've owned. Sound great on there own but for me and my tastes they got lost in a band situation too much. When I went more towards amps with a more mid forward voice like a Marshall style amp I was much happier.

 

[cardinal]

Too bad turning the deep knob off didn't seem to get you there.

As much as I adored the couple of VH4s I had (including an old Blueface), I'm happier with some door stops (Triple Rec and JCM 2204). Those will make themselves heard no worries there.

 

[Random Hero]

Too bad turning the deep knob off didn't seem to get you there.

As much as I adored the couple of VH4s I had (including an old Blueface), I'm happier with some door stops (Triple Rec and JCM 2204). Those will make themselves heard no worries there.

Closer for sure but ultimately not quite.

 

[PBGas]

I've had 2 Diezels over the years. Both sounded very nice. However, I found them to be not what I was after at the time. Still, amazing sounding and fabulous build quality!

 

[Stramm8]

This may be a dumb question but how do you know for sure your "getting lost in the mix"? Are you listening to live recordings of your shows or are you feeling like you're not cutting through in the stage mix?? I play with another guitar player and when I get out of the sweet spot everything goes to hell. But when I listen to stuff we've recorded from the audience I can hear myself perfectly. The point being, if your set up sounds good on its own, chances are it's sounded pretty good miked up going through a PA.

 

[duesentrieb]

Interesting. Is this a common mod? Any comparison clips/feedback from people who have done the mod?

Common in the sense that I've changed two parts a couple of times with Peter on the phone. And of course there are guys driving to his lab to have this and that changed.

You know, from a builders perspective its the same result: change speakers in the cab or combo or change some parts here and there.

Einstein wasn't designed around 65 speakers, more around 30s. But some guys simply love the smooth mids of 65s while others need the honk of a 30s and the third thinks even that isn't enough.

So I'd either experiment with speakers or change some parts.

Next parameter would be bias. If biased too hot you will lose some edge. While some guys may prefer in their Plexis tohave a pretty hot bias, others may want to have more of it in their Diezel.

Just send Peter an email and if I were you, I'd ask the questions over in the Diezel forum. Thats why it exists, here you will get the same replies from certain members I've already read years ago on HCAF

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[duesentrieb]

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Other than changing tone stack values, NFB, bias or speakers: the fact that your amp is a combo contributes a lot to your sound of course. Ever tried a cab or a fresh V30 for 99 bucks ? My suggestion would be a CL80 or similar in that combo (you may want to keep the bass low then) Well, I'm playing (badly) since >3 decades now and I always have some different speakers in my inventory to try around.

And I had all of the ( what I would call) vintage Diezels (vh4, herb, einstein), played all if them in (amateur) bands, always with rear loaded cabs from Marshall or Diezel (two or four 12) and not a single time got lost in a hardrock typish band with lots of Marshallesque sounds. In rehearsal rooms what was needed was a stand for the 212 to bring it up to ear level, on stage there was mostly an SM 57. And please - if you get lost with a V30s miced with an SM 57 you're either deaf of doing something completely wrong just adjust angle and mic pre level. (Rant over, sorry, had to ) Ok, that won't help you, but I think I gave you some ideas. I remember when the Cent Vint was launched. I instantly got one, put it into my Diezel 212 abd used it during a gig. A friend of mine, a pro, who uses a vh4 with a HK GB cab came up during the first break and asked me to drop the treble of my Herbert. ....

Guys like Meniketti or from CCR (shit, I'm old, Forgerty or so) are using Diezels now. How would they not get a good, non-lost sound?

 

[Bato]

Isn't that kind of the diezel sound? I know that's supposed to be one of their more versatile amps but I feel you get that with a lot of modern metal high gain monsters the other channels are effected but the overall scooped and dark nature of the amp. I have more experience with engl's in this department but I think the same may apply. The Einstein seems like a killer head though and has intrigued me for awhile

It might be with some high gain amps. However my Triple Rec will slice through any band mix and thump the entire band if I'm not careful. It's certainly a high gain amp.

This seems to be a common topic with Diezel threads though. I couldn't say. I've never used one with a band.

The common topic among Diezel threads is that your Triple Recto works great as a door stop. I do think that's BS because a properly dialed in Recto with a simple TS808 can stomp anything for heavy stuff.

Haha. I can think of hundreds of songs/albums that sound incredible with Boogies.
I have yet to hear something recorded that sounds as good with a Diezel.

Can someone please direct me towards an amazing sounding album recorded with a Diezel? Don't say Tool. Something not mixed with a Marshall. Please. I'd love to hear one.

FYI. I've played a VH4 and I thought it was killer. Great amp.

Alter Brigde - AB III, Fortress
Bon Jovi - Have a nice Day, Lost Highway

 

[Tone Monster]

Dekompression mod. Made my VH4 perfect. It was already my favorite amp. Now it's ridiculous.

 

[moltenmetalburn]

The Einstein was amazing and I did crank the mids. Turn them up, problem solved.

 

[thiswaythatway]

Isn't that kind of the diezel sound? I know that's supposed to be one of their more versatile amps but I feel you get that with a lot of modern metal high gain monsters the other channels are effected but the overall scooped and dark nature of the amp. I have more experience with engl's in this department but I think the same may apply. The Einstein seems like a killer head though and has intrigued me for awhile

It might be with some high gain amps. However my Triple Rec will slice through any band mix and thump the entire band if I'm not careful. It's certainly a high gain amp.

This seems to be a common topic with Diezel threads though. I couldn't say. I've never used one with a band.

The common topic among Diezel threads is that your Triple Recto works great as a door stop. I do think that's BS because a properly dialed in Recto with a simple TS808 can stomp anything for heavy stuff.

Haha. I can think of hundreds of songs/albums that sound incredible with Boogies.
I have yet to hear something recorded that sounds as good with a Diezel.

Can someone please direct me towards an amazing sounding album recorded with a Diezel? Don't say Tool. Something not mixed with a Marshall. Please. I'd love to hear one.

FYI. I've played a VH4 and I thought it was killer. Great amp.

Alter Brigde - AB III, Fortress
Bon Jovi - Have a nice Day, Lost Highway

Tremonti uses a shit load of amps both in the studio and on tour. Here he mentions Cornford, Bogner, Mesa, Dumble, and no mention of Diezel for the Fortress album.

http://www.musicradar.com/us/news/guita ... rig-580252

 

[tripstan]

I'm a mid freak and I use a Einstein with a KoKo boost as my main gig rig. It's a nice amp with out it the koko, but it's AMAZING with it.

Speaker/cab mix and using some type of EQ out front or in the loop makes a world of difference with any amp.
I don't care how good the amp is, 90% of the time I'm using a boost or EQ to get it to sound like me.

 

[Faxanadu]

Tremonti uses a shit load of amps both in the studio and on tour. Here he mentions Cornford, Bogner, Mesa, Dumble, and no mention of Diezel for the Fortress album.

http://www.musicradar.com/us/news/guita ... rig-580252

I think Myles Kenedy uses a Herbert... Yes he plays guitar also !

 

[Bato]

Thank you!

 

[FourT6and2]

My bands last album was recorded with ONLY a VH4.
I think it sounds fuckin great.
http://theshadowprinciple.bandcamp.com/track/the-rift

Sounds great to me

 

[Random Hero]

Couple of weeks later, I've resorted to turning the deep and presence all the way off to try to get rid of some of the more hi-fi aspects of the tone. Seems to be a little less scooped but I'm still feeling it is, even with the mids almost all the way up!