how do gibson justify this price???

[bunghole]

meh, Gibsons don't really appeal to me. Tone wise yes, playability wise not really. I like 24 frets, and strat based bodies.

 

[bunghole]

I love a FR on a LP.
Maybe it's all the import charges that inflate the price.
RRBH

I love a FR in general

 

[Zachman]

http://www2.gibson.com/Products/Electric-Guitars/Les-Paul/Gibson-Custom/Les-Paul-Axcess-Standard.aspx

was looking around on some guitar store sites, some guitars have gone up by £400!! how the fuck??? its good to see some have even gone down and all but still, this is wrong. we're in the middle of a fuckin' recession, i know put the price up! aint we good and ethnical!






sorry, pointless rant over

Agreed. A Paul w/ a Floyd...that just ain't right. Looks really weird!!!

nah the fact its floyded and has that cutaway on the back is what makes me really want one, just the price is rediculous when the companies QC is in the shitter!

They are plek'd

 

[RockNRollBabyHead]

I love a FR on a LP.
Maybe it's all the import charges that inflate the price.
RRBH

Import charges? I didn't know Tennessee became it's own Country?



j/k. They're priced high here in the States as well.

China to USA.
Custom Shop guitars are the only ones made/manufactured here(Tenn).
Gibby has outsourced all manufacturing to the China plant.
Most parts are CNC made in China and some assembled in the USA.
RRBH

 

[ranalli]

I don't really give a shit what people say on the internet and I still think that new Gibsons are overpriced for what you are getting. They are capable of making great guitars but I feel you have to play several of them to find that one that is good.

Example....I was in Guitar Center not too long ago and played several new Les Pauls....they were alright but nothing really special IMO...not at those prices. I might have bought one of them. However, when I went over to the used section and I played 9-10 70's & 80's Les Pauls and *every one* was AMAZING...both in tone and feel. Not only were the necks shaped slightly differently(more comfortable IMO) but they just seemed to resonate much like my own Les Paul which is a '71. Those weren't even considered good years(internet hearsay) but I felt they were head and shoulders above their newer stuff.


This is just my experience though. I also bought one of those LP Classics when they came out several years ago....it wouldn't even intonate!!

 

[Shiny_Surface]

China to USA.
Custom Shop guitars are the only ones made/manufactured here(Tenn).
Gibby has outsourced all manufacturing to the China plant.
Most parts are CNC made in China and some assembled in the USA.
RRBH

So Standards and Traditionals are made in China now? That's gold, I can already see a whole new wave of Les Paul elitist threads about how only the custom shops are real Les Pauls now and anything else is just a POS.

 

[Gainzilla]

I don't really give a shit what people say on the internet and I still think that new Gibsons are overpriced for what you are getting. They are capable of making great guitars but I feel you have to play several of them to find that one that is good.

This is my feeling as well but admittedly, the last time that I got to sit down and go through a bunch of LP's was over a year ago, maybe a year and a half and after 10 of them, 2 were OK but nothing I would want to own.

If theyve gotten better, Id love to sit down and run through a bunch again but I still dont think that you get what you pay for with a new Gibson no matter how well it plays, IMHO of course... There is something to be said when you find a good one though, its can be pretty special..

 

[AmpliFIRE]

I love a FR on a LP.
Maybe it's all the import charges that inflate the price.
RRBH

Import charges? I didn't know Tennessee became it's own Country?



j/k. They're priced high here in the States as well.

China to USA.
Custom Shop guitars are the only ones made/manufactured here(Tenn).
Gibby has outsourced all manufacturing to the China plant.
Most parts are CNC made in China and some assembled in the USA.
RRBH

do you have any proof of this theory?

 

[philb]

I love a FR on a LP.
Maybe it's all the import charges that inflate the price.
RRBH

Import charges? I didn't know Tennessee became it's own Country?



j/k. They're priced high here in the States as well.

China to USA.
Custom Shop guitars are the only ones made/manufactured here(Tenn).
Gibby has outsourced all manufacturing to the China plant.
Most parts are CNC made in China and some assembled in the USA.
RRBH

Really? shit! and they still ask for the big bucks....

 

[AmpliFIRE]

China to USA.
Custom Shop guitars are the only ones made/manufactured here(Tenn).
Gibby has outsourced all manufacturing to the China plant.
Most parts are CNC made in China and some assembled in the USA.
RRBH

There was a guy on the Les Paul Forum that was saying this months ago, but he could never mention how he knew this (or provide any proof at all that this is true.) Are you that guy?

These are huge claims and honestly, I don't believe them until I see some sort of proof.

Chris

SteveVHT was saying this a while ago as well...

 

[thiswaythatway]

SteveVHT was saying this a while ago as well...

It's my opinion that you have to be careful about believing claims like this when you read them on the web. Of course it COULD be true and just not leaked yet. But I wait until more "proof" comes out before I can believe this stuff.

I believe it's BS. You can show people the machines in Tennessee cutting the bodies and STILL, someone will come up with a conspiracy theory.

At Kramer, we did in fact receive guitars from Korea and remove all the Made In Korea stickers, and replace them with Made In America. And we tags on the guitars that said, "Kramer. Proud To Be An American Company"

 

[gibson5413]

They should deduct at least $800 off ANY Les Paul that they install a Floyd on if anything.

And most new Gibson's I've played have been flawless. The new Traditional LP's are KILLER. Don't blame guitars tuned down 5 octaves on Gibson.

+1

The Traditional's are fantastic for the price point. I agree on your last point. I tune down on my Schecter but I would never tune a Les Paul lower than a 1/2 step down. Just my opinion.

In regards to the quality, I think they are fine. When you mass produce the amount of guitars Gibson does you are bound to have a dud here and there. You tend to hear more from Gibson just for the sheer amount of guitars sold. EVERY company produces duds (maybe with the exception of custom made guitars and boutiques)! A lot of the crap Les Pauls I play at GC have been obliterated by individuals who do not care about the floor models. They get handled everyday by people who don't care about the instrument. It's too bad!

 

[RockNRollBabyHead]

On a business trip I toured the plant in Qingdao.
The majority of guitars were epiphone, but there was a warehouse full of raw bodies and necks with Gibson on them.
No actual proof, just my experience.
RRBH

 

[vultures]

Never really got into Gibson gear because of the price, but also because of the condition and tuning of the guitars available in stores. Go to any GC/Samash and majority of the guitars have bad action/setup and are out of tune from people drop tunning them or trying to tune the guitars themselves. So you can't get a real accurate feel for them (IMHO) in stores.

That being said, I'm sure I would really dig a Gibson set up with low action in C standard. I'm sure any reasonable person would like them if they were set up to their own standards.

 

[chunktone]

...when the companies QC is in the shitter!

I don't think that's true at all. I think Gibson is putting out killer guitars right now, but I know I'm just about the only person that thinks that.

No you're not. I think Gibson makes killer stuff. I rarely ever play one that has any problems at all. In fact I can't even remember the last time I played a "bad" one. I think a lot of people just say that they have bad QC because they read about it on random Internet forums and want to try and sound intelligent.

Having dealt first hand with their QC people, and others I can verify that their quality is inconsistent. They did address some of this when they started PLEKing some of their quitars. Their fret work is something I talked to them about several times. If you think the price is high on the Les Paul Access, you would freak if you knew what it costs them to build one!

 

[mrp5150]

If you buy Gibson stuff used, I don't think the prices are high at all. I've owned a bunch of Explorers and got them all for under $800. I've had a Flying V I got for $550 and some Les Pauls I paid $1500 for. I don't see anything unreasonable about those prices, especially considering how great they sound.

 

[duodecim]

...when the companies QC is in the shitter!

I don't think that's true at all. I think Gibson is putting out killer guitars right now, but I know I'm just about the only person that thinks that.

I think it depends where you shop. I'm sure some places see better quality guitars pass than others. And Finland probably sees all the discarded failures, not just only Gibson, really...

 

[Gainzilla]

I think it depends where you shop. I'm sure some places see better quality guitars pass than others. And Finland probably sees all the discarded failures, not just only Gibson, really...

You know, I think that there may be some truth to this.. theres a place by me in the village call Matt Umanov Guitars( affectionately known for years as Matt RipmOffs) and Ive heard from a bunch of people that he gets to handpick everything that he sells..

 

[mysticaxe]

I think it depends where you shop. I'm sure some places see better quality guitars pass than others. And Finland probably sees all the discarded failures, not just only Gibson, really...

You know, I think that there may be some truth to this.. theres a place by me in the village call Matt Umanov Guitars( affectionately known for years as Matt RipmOffs) and Ive heard from a bunch of people that he gets to handpick everything that he sells..

I've heard Wildwood Guitars does their own receiving QC and sends ones that they don't like back...

 

[thiswaythatway]

I think it depends where you shop. I'm sure some places see better quality guitars pass than others. And Finland probably sees all the discarded failures, not just only Gibson, really...

You know, I think that there may be some truth to this.. theres a place by me in the village call Matt Umanov Guitars( affectionately known for years as Matt RipmOffs) and Ive heard from a bunch of people that he gets to handpick everything that he sells..

I've heard Wildwood Guitars does their own receiving QC and sends ones that they don't like back...

If the stores near me used their knowledge of judging gear to decide what they sold, then as long as it had the Gibson name on it then they would sell it. Meaning we'd literally have piles of steamy shit with a Gibson flag sticking out of them selling for $4000.