I need another unloaded 4x12. Suggestions please?

[VaiSatchAtrucci]

Check out Port City cabs...

 

[lolzgreg]

DiezelMonster has a Splawn 4x12. Its very good but I found the Bogner to have a thicker/denser tone, which I prefer.

I also highly recommend Mills, regardless if Andy Sneap uses one or not

Andy doesn't have to use something for me to approve of it

I owned a Mills, as I said. I liked my other cabinets better for recording.

My favorite topic

IMO all the main players, Mesa, Splawn, Bogner, Diezel, latest zealot flavor of the week........all are very close and well built.

Remember Dave's Marshall cab Greg? Nothing special about the cab, plain jane 70s marshall cab beat up but the speakers were the magic

I do remember the cabinet, and it sounded very very good. I have a Stone Age cabinet that is being Marshallized and loaded with G12M Heritage Speakers this weekend thanks to Dave

The cabinet makes a hell of a lot of a difference, even the smallest dimension or construction technique. As I mentioned before, I had the Mesa Rectifier 4x12 and the Mills Afterburner 4x12 in the same room side by side and reamped my heads through both with nearly identical mic positions. Both cabinets have the same speakers. Both cabinets have 2 inches difference in dimensions. The Mesa sounded richer and clearer than the Mills to me and all of my recording buddies. I'm looking for the best cabinet. I know I like G12K100 speakers, as they are in my Stone Age cabinet now, but that is getting loaded with the G12M Heritage speakers.

Aside from that, I have multiple cabinets, took the speakers out, re-arranged them, swapped speakers into different cabinets, etc, to find the best sound for recording.

The way you really find out what cabinets record best is to find out what recordings they were on and what they were loaded with. G12K100s have a sound that really works for some mixes and styles of music. I just need the right cabinet to load 'em in.

 

[Digital Jams]

My favorite topic

IMO all the main players, Mesa, Splawn, Bogner, Diezel, latest zealot flavor of the week........all are very close and well built.

Remember Dave's Marshall cab Greg? Nothing special about the cab, plain jane 70s marshall cab beat up but the speakers were the magic

He is gonna hear it again this weekend....

Huh???

NJ ampshow?

 

[lolzgreg]

Nah, Dave's house.

I'm bringing my Friedman Windsor there as well. Few people on the East Coast have heard any of Friedman's mods. For some reason I'm having a tough time selling the thing. Maybe another legitimate opinion of the amp's brutality will help move it

 

[Digital Jams]

Nah, Dave's house.

I'm bringing my Friedman Windsor there as well. Few people on the East Coast have heard any of Friedman's mods. For some reason I'm having a tough time selling the thing. Maybe another legitimate opinion of the amp's brutality will help move it

Well if that amp hangs at Dave's house it has to be good

Bring you mobile recording rig

 

[lolzgreg]

I don't know if that rig is very mobile, but if Dave agrees, I can bring it along!

 

[thegame]

The Mesa sounded richer and clearer than the Mills to me and all of my recording buddies.

Thats exactly how I'd describe Mesa V30s vs. regular ones. If you loaded the Mesa V30s into the Mills it might have been the best of both worlds.

 

[lolzgreg]

That's what I figured.

If you ever want to get a small recording rig, I'll help you put it together.

 

[Digital Jams]

I don't know if that rig is very mobile, but if Dave agrees, I can bring it along!

No need to bring it. I dont know if we will have the time....

You guys suck real hard

I have my son's 7th b-day and have to set-up some inflatible castle and battle suger infused yutes

 

[lolzgreg]

Scott, you're welcome to come down to my place any given Saturday afternoon to play the wall of amps. Just let me know when.

 

[thiswaythatway]

Funny, i remember reading all the threads about how the Mills crushes and destroys other cabs, especially Mesa, and when i heard it i thought..........sounds a bit like a decent Mesa cab. Nothing wrong wrong with that, but nothing special either. IMHO

 

[MILLS Acoustics]

Greg, I don't know why you had issues with recording the Afterburner...I wasn't there, so I don't know. But regarding recording, at least 3 successful CD's of the last 18 months featured our cab prominently. Matt Bellamy (Muse) bought 3 additional cabs after producing/recording "The Resistance" with his first cab. Johnny K of GrooveMaster Studios bought an Afterburner after producing and tracking 3 Doors Down. Producer Brendan O'Brien used it heavily on Mastodon's "Crack the Skye". These three bands are radically different in tone and genre yet they ALL used the V30 Afterburner 412. And all of these guys have years of experience and are paid big bucks to deliver quality recorded Major Label sound. I doubt they'd be using our cabs for any other reason. Sure there's "hype" as some still want to believe. But at $1000+ an hour in a Pro Studio, hype doesn't get past the front door.

You described YOUR recording experience and I certainly respect that. I'm describing MINE based on feedback I get and what I hear on my home or car stereo. Apparently it IS possible to get good studio tones with our cab, even though 99.99% of it's design is for "big venue", live performance. But gear is just a part of the "recording equation". I'm not a recording engineer but if I knew what they were doing differently from you, I'd surely tell you. Obviously, you had issues and hopefully just a change of cab and/or speakers will solve them for you. Good luck in your search.

Dave Mills

 

[Devilinside]

I second the Port City!! I'm not sure why many people don't mention these more often. Very tight, with lots of bottom, but open sounding and not scooped at the same time

 

[thiswaythatway]

Greg, I don't know why you had issues with recording the Afterburner...I wasn't there, so I don't know. But regarding recording, at least 3 successful CD's of the last 18 months featured our cab prominently. Matt Bellamy (Muse) bought 3 additional cabs after producing/recording "The Resistance" with his first cab. Johnny K of GrooveMaster Studios bought an Afterburner after producing and tracking 3 Doors Down. Producer Brendan O'Brien used it heavily on Mastodon's "Crack the Skye". These three bands are radically different in tone and genre yet they ALL used the V30 Afterburner 412. And all of these guys have years of experience and are paid big bucks to deliver quality recorded Major Label sound. I doubt they'd be using our cabs for any other reason. Sure there's "hype" as some still want to believe. But at $1000+ an hour in a Pro Studio, hype doesn't get past the front door.

You described YOUR recording experience and I certainly respect that. I'm describing MINE based on feedback I get and what I hear on my home or car stereo. Apparently it IS possible to get good studio tones with our cab, even though 99.99% of it's design is for "big venue", live performance. But gear is just a part of the "recording equation". I'm not a recording engineer but if I knew what they were doing differently from you, I'd surely tell you. Obviously, you had issues and hopefully just a change of cab and/or speakers will solve them for you. Good luck in your search.

Dave Mills

I don't want to speak for Greg but i didn't see him say anywhere that he had issues recording the Mills cab, he just said he prefered the Mesa cab. Given the countless number of hit recordings that Mesa cabs have been used on they still remain the favorite cabs for plenty of people.

For me lately, any cab sounds better once it removed of it's V30's. Just IMHO.

 

[lolzgreg]

No, Danny, you can speak for me. You read my post perfectly, and you didn't read between the lines (there was nothing but scribble anyway ).

Mr. Mills,

The Mills Cabinet was a nice cabinet no doubt, one of the better ones I've heard for sure, and I tried it loaded with G12K100s and with V30s, and I preferred my Mesa Rectifier Cabinet for recording. I'm sure you recall our conversations on the phone, which are between us, of course, but I gave the cabinet a few months and I felt like it was a nice alternative to the Rectifier cabinet, but not a replacement for it. The two cabinets are very, very similar under a microphone. Anyone who would tell you otherwise is lying, because I spent a month back and forth comparing the two. I spent several hours having the speakers broken in at Fortinfest in Long Island, and was very critical with my microphone placement in my tests. Most people could barely tell them apart, the consensus on the Andy Sneap forum where I posted my clips was that people preferred the Mesa cabinet (this was a blind test, mind you) to the Mills for recording metal music, or at least the vein of metal that I generally record and play. Your cabinet is a very well built cabinet, which I would prefer for live playing over the Mesa Rectifier cabinet, but not for recording.

I don't doubt that any engineer would enjoy the sound of the Mills cabinet under a microphone, nor do I doubt that it was used and loved on the albums you mentioned, but different strokes for different folks. I didn't state a dislike for your product either, only a preference for the guitar cabinet that remains in my studio.

I think your Afterburner baffle design may be a great idea for neutralizing the phasing issues caused by reflections inside of a guitar cabinet, but I also think that the baffle does not aid in the attenuation of bass frequencies, due to their extremely long wavelengths. The issue that is caused, is that there is an imbalance of highs/high mids to lows/low mids that are being projected from the cabinet, removing some of the detail in the top end of the spectrum, while leaving a slight bit of cloudiness in the low end. I think if you found some powerful low-frequency absorbing product combined with your baffle, your design would be even more effective, but I am only a 21 year old who records music and reamps guitars out of my house. You can take that however you would like.

 

[jerrydyer]

I use lopoline. they actually listen to you when you custom order.

 

[lolzgreg]

Jerry, have you had cabinets built by other people than lopoline? Do you have any professional recordings of your amplifiers that were done with a lopoline cabinet?

Does anyone else have any suggestions?

I am open to an opinion from anyone, but please note if you have experience recording the cabinet/have experience recording in general.

 

[Digital Jams]

I have my son's 7th b-day and have to set-up some inflatible castle and battle suger infused yutes

passing out candy to little kids should be right up your alley welcome to the family....

You don't miss much

Welcome to the family

 

[Digital Jams]

Ah Greg the shit you started by just trying to be cool and record some killer amps and bring your Mills because we were all bitching to bring it

I am with Danyeo as well with his view but anyways for the style of amps there and most of the players style of playing Dave's Marshall cab just killed.

 

[lolzgreg]

I agree that Dave's Marshall sounded better. I think the Meathead sounded great with the Mills and the Marshalls much better with the Recto.

I'll be bringing my Engl V30 front loaded cab for demoing the Natas for the upcoming Fortinfest!