Just saw Aerosmith on Idol.....

[thegame]

i havent heard areosmith other than what i hear on the radio and the simpsons

Flaming Moes

 

[IHateRap]

I prefer this:

 

[benduncan]

no,more like this:

 

[jcj]

So uhhhh...."Big Daddy"...it would seem I was the first person who said that performance sounded like shit, so I'll assume you're directing (at least a portion of) your comments at me...(you know..."couch guitar god", etc.).

First of all, I think my comments were objective; Joe's playing was poor. I didn't say the amp sucked, or Joe sucked, but that it was a piss poor showing, on that particular night. It happens.

Secondly, quite a few of the people who appeared to share my opinion are exceptional players; I've not heard you play (that I'm aware of), but I can promise you that Bob, Curt, Ralph, and Steve are not hacks, nor are they prone to participating in the "so and so sucks" type of threads.

I'll take it further; not everyone who posts here has (or ever had) aspiratioms of rock stardom. Some of us are quite happy to be "couch guitar gods" , last I checked, it doesn't preclude us from having an opinion; as a matter of fact, some of the most amazing players I know will never record a single note of music for commercial consumption.

I'm baffled as to why you believe I'm so "sad" for sharing my honest opinion. Sad would be belonging to a forum that dealt in sacred cows; definitely not what Bob and Chris had in mind when this place was started.

 

[bigdaddyd]

So uhhhh...."Big Daddy"...it would seem I was the first person who said that performance sounded like shit, so I'll assume you're directing (at least a portion of) your comments at me...(you know..."couch guitar god", etc.).

First of all, I think my comments were objective; Joe's playing was poor. I didn't say the amp sucked, or Joe sucked, but that it was a piss poor showing, on that particular night. It happens.

Secondly, quite a few of the people who appeared to share my opinion are exceptional players; I've not heard you play (that I'm aware of), but I can promise you that Bob, Curt, Ralph, and Steve are not hacks, nor are they prone to participating in the "so and so sucks" type of threads.

I'll take it further; not everyone who posts here has (or ever had) aspiratioms of rock stardom. Some of us are quite happy to be "couch guitar gods" , last I checked, it doesn't preclude us from having an opinion; as a matter of fact, some of the most amazing players I know will never record a single note of music for commercial consumption.

I'm baffled as to why you believe I'm so "sad" for sharing my honest opinion. Sad would be belonging to a forum that dealt in sacred cows; definitely not what Bob and Chris had in mind when this place was started.

I wasn't going to post anymore, but I wanted to clarify something. First of all my comment was directed at anyone in particular. The fact that you are taking it personally says more about yourself, than me. As for what I said, most of you just read way to much into what I wrote than what was intended. Here is what I said..

"It wasn't his tone. His guitar was out of tune. No amp is going to fix that and he can't stop mid song and go, "Hey sorry...let me start that over for the guys on Rig Talk."

By that I didn't mean that I did or didn't like his tone. I meant that I heard a string or two out of tune, and every time he hit the them it sounded like shit. Additionally, he had floating trem problems and that just made it worse. Sometimes you have to make do. This in no way is a pro Joe comment. He sounded like shit, plain and simple, however, once again what was he supposed to do?

Then after a bunch of more comments, I posted my opinion, which apparently pissed you guys off.

Nothing funnier than this thread of couch guitar gods ripping on an icon for a bad show.

I stand by it. We all do it. I am part of this thread. I think he sounds like shit, however I am not discounting his entire career for being out of tune, which some people were. That is what I was talking about. I get jumped on as if I am not "allowing" people to have an opinion, which is ironic since I share the same opinion as you people. The funny thing is that you guys are mad at me for stating an opinion....and you wonder why I tire of this place at times It's time to take out the tampons and stop being so fucking sensitive.

 

[Bob Savage]

The funny thing is that you guys are mad at me for stating an opinion....and you wonder why I tire of this place at times It's time to take out the tampons and stop being so fucking sensitive.

I haven't seen any posts where someone seemed mad. Perhaps it's time for you to thicken your skin up a bit and participate rationally in the discussion instead of turning to negative comments towards others posting in the thread.

Where's Rodney King when you need him...

 

[crankyrayhanky]

Is it possible to hit notes so bad one can destroy a lifetime of achievement?
Joe P found them on this magical night

 

[redrol]

Dude. That performance was horrific. I closed the vid after about 20 seconds. it's a shame. There's rmany better bands that coud have used that exposure.

this is one i thought would have taken the world by storm if they premiered on the AI final

unreal talent

this is the only good post


FLIPPING WOW!

 

[benduncan]

...."Hey sorry...let me start that over for the guys on Rig Talk."....

 

[TrueTone500]

These guys should have quit in '75

I've consolidated my opinion, and all thing considered - I think they should just quit.

 

[mdc1mdc11]

I think the first mistake some make here is to think that the person that states the opinion does not f'ing care what anybody thinks of the stated opinion. That is when it just becomes a back and forth game of retaliation.

 

[sixstringking713]

lol omg

 

[TrueTone500]

I think the first mistake some make here is to think that the person that states the opinion does not f'ing care what anybody thinks of the stated opinion. That is when it just becomes a back and forth game of retaliation.

That's exactly what most of these people are hoping for!

 

[Chubtone]

The professionals on this forum amaze me with their bullshit.

We have professionals on this forum? And they are the only ones who are full of it?

 

[TrueTone500]

The professionals on this forum amaze me with their bullshit.

We have professionals on this forum? And they are the only ones who are full of it?

I asked Pat Travers if he ever posts on the internet players forums? He replied; "I guess I might consider it, if I didn't have anything better to do..."

 

[Bob Savage]

I think the first mistake some make here is to think that the person that states the opinion does not f'ing care what anybody thinks of the stated opinion. That is when it just becomes a back and forth game of retaliation.

That first sentence is a hard read for me. Are you saying that a person stating their opinion is mistakenly thinking others care, or that others do not care about their opinion?

If you're saying others really don't care about the opinion of others then that really sucks the whole "discussion" part out of the forums. It's pretty much just self-absorbed babble at that point.

 

[Bob Savage]

The professionals on this forum amaze me with their bullshit.

We have professionals on this forum? And they are the only ones who are full of it?

There are many professionals on this forum, it's just a matter of clarifying what they're a professional at.

 

[Gainzilla]

Im am and always have been a HUGE Aerosmith fanboi. Obviously, The 70's stuff is where its at for me but Ive seen them all throughout there career and have seen them bring it like no ones business on many occaisions, many of them in the last few years. That said, That vid was not one of their better moments.

To me, Aerosmiths appeal isnt based off of any one member of the group. Ive never gone "Wow, that guitar was smoking!!!" It was always about the songwriting. Joe Perry and Steven Tyler just seem to be a bit more photogenic than anyone else in the band. IMHO, Brad Whitford Smokes Perry, something I have seen live many times but is usually hidden from the general listening public.

I still listen to them regularly and will always love them but damn, bad on them for stining it up tht badly in front on millions LOL..

Darin, ya know that I love ya, youre a good friend of mine and I always love hanging with ya. I agree with alot of what was said here and I dont think that anyone is writing off his entire career. I think the smart move would have been to switch the levels on Whitford and Perry. Let the people see Perry but hear Whitford and everything would have been ducky!!!

Kage

 

[TrueTone500]

Im am and always have been a HUGE Aerosmith fanboi. Obviously, The 70's stuff is where its at for me but Ive seen them all throughout there career and have seen them bring it like no ones business on many occaisions, many of them in the last few years. That said, That vid was not one of their better moments.

To me, Aerosmiths appeal isnt based off of any one member of the group. Ive never gone "Wow, that guitar was smoking!!!" It was always about the songwriting. Joe Perry and Steven Tyler just seem to be a bit more photogenic than anyone else in the band. IMHO, Brad Whitford Smokes Perry, something I have seen live many times but is usually hidden from the general listening public.

I still listen to them regularly and will always love them but damn, bad on them for stining it up tht badly in front on millions LOL..

Darin, ya know that I love ya, youre a good friend of mine and I always love hanging with ya. I agree with alot of what was said here and I dont think that anyone is writing off his entire career. I think the smart move would have been to switch the levels on Whitford and Perry. Let the people see Perry but hear Whitford and everything would have been ducky!!!

Kage

To say that he "blows away Joe Perry" is simply ridiculous. Please point me to Brad Whitford's solo material that is so much "better" than Joe's. I'm submitting "Draw The Line" (since most of the material was taken from Joe's personal demo tapes) + all of Joe's solo work defending my position. Joe Perry's "Let The Music Do The Talking" is a must for any respectable collection. I saw Whitford-St. Holmes open for Sabbath on the "Heaven And Hell" tour, which was less than mildly impressive.

Rolling Stone review of Joe's debut album:
If Steven Tyler is Aerosmith's big mouth, then hawk-nosed guitarist Joe Perry was the band's main muscle. Now, on Perry's first LP since leaving the group last year, he flexes that muscle like a champ. Let the Music Do the Talking overflows with molten riffs and the kind of smoking guitar solos that made Get Your Wings and Toys in the Attic such head-banger delights. The Joe Perry Project delivers all of the rock & roll moxie that Aerosmith couldn't manage on their last album with him, the prophetically titled Night in the Ruts.

At only 2:06, the instrumental "Break Song" is Let the Music Do the Talking's pivotal raver, a microcosmic demonstration of the chops that Perry deploys throughout the record. Against bassist David Hull and drummer Ronnie Stewart's manic rhythms, Perry trots out his entire bag of tricks – feedback, fuzztone harmonics, vibrato wails, hammer-on-anvil power chords–but with a practiced musicianly class that further fuels the guitar-star cool with which he slams on his strings.

The LP's eight other blitzkriegs crackle with similar electricity. Jack Douglas, Perry's coproducer and former Aerosmith mentor, has done a good job. "Shooting Star" and the title track bristle with double-time heavy-metal tension, while "Life at a Glance" kicks to a punkier beat. "Rockin' Train" and "Discount Dogs" are effectively funked-up James Brown-style numbers.

The only weak link in this chain of churning jock-rock is lead singer Ralph Morman, who can howl with the best of the hard-rock hounds but whose voice lacks the cutting edge that would distinguish him from the rest of the pack. Joe Perry takes a few unspectacular turns at the vocal mike, too, but any singer might feel intimidated by the locomotive pace and guitar-army sound of this album. Any singer except maybe one. If Steven Tyler were here, Let the Music Do the Talking would probably be the finest record Aerosmith never made. (RS 318)


DAVID FRICKE

 

[carlygtr]

I'd say Whitford is the more fluid player. Perry has his moments though. That's why I dig the live shows from '74 so much. They were raw in a good way. Both guys kicking ass in their own style.

Big Joe Perry Project fan. The first incarnation of the band was awesome, IMO. Perry, in a trio setting, when he was on, was the shit. Got tons of JPP shows, the highlight being live at My Father's Place in '80.