Techdeth
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I actually like this. I now 3 like songs by them !
By this is cool af imo
By this is cool af imo
metalmaniac93
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Killer stuff!!!! Seen them back in the day!!!
SonVolt
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Only 3 songs? Their debut album Mer de Noms was a banger start to finish.
Fusionbear
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I'm a huge fan and really liked the tune!
SonVolt
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I saw APC at the Tabernacle in Atlanta during their first tour back in 2000. One of the best concerts I've ever went to.
skoora
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Even though it wouldn’t be considered, technically modern now, due to it’s age, I think Judith is a perfectly executed modern, heavy rock song.
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Nigel
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They were amazing on 13th Step tour in ‘04. In 2018, not so much.
Heard Starless the other day, was not impressed on first listen.
Heard Starless the other day, was not impressed on first listen.
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Sixstringflannel
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I liked it. Not the biggest fan of Billy’s tone these days and haven’t liked anything after 13th step. Hopefully this album is a bit more aggressive than the last one but I’ve got low hopes for Puscifer pt.2.
LPMojoGL
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I'm not a big fan of anything Maynard has done post Lateralus and Mer de Noms.
I hear this tune, and wonder what 90s Maynard would do with it.
The stuff he's done since 2001ish is too sedate and formulaic for my tastes.
I hear this tune, and wonder what 90s Maynard would do with it.
The stuff he's done since 2001ish is too sedate and formulaic for my tastes.
Techdeth
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He’s tones always is good but I never understood like when people said it was great . It’s cool but is Judith the tone people are talking about when they say check his tone out ? Like what’s his best tone ?
Dale B
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Me either. I did like the second and third songs off the last Tool album, but it's all the same schtick.
Dale B
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He used a lot of heavy processing on Mer de Noms. His amp created a lot of questions back in the day before Dave Friedman popped up on the internet at Huge Racks INC back in the mid-2000's. I had Dave do the APC mod on a 78 JMP back then. Those amps sound good for detuned stuff, but I thought it sucked ass for anything above C#. That amp became the Naked. Billy has 2 or 3 of them, and he was tuned down 1 and a half steps.
The Naked is based on the Naylor Duel 60 preamp (Dave designed simple clean for Kyle Kurtz after he bought Naylor) and has a Marshall JMP 2203 power section. The original amp was just mods to the existing Marshall PCB. Dave built maybe a dozen from the ground up, but most went to Japan back then.
Billy used a Gibson Les Paul Classic Plus from 1994 in Cinnamon Burst that used to belong to Trent Reznor. Mike Patton from Faith No More wound up with one the band bought for their KFAD tour that Dean Menta played live. I have one as well. Billy used the Tom Anderson H3+ and H1- or H1+ on Mer De Noms. I think I read he swapped to the H2+ on 13th Step. I have both. The H3+ feels and sounds better. The H2+ has more of a boxier tone. They're both huge sounding pickups though.
I like everything on Mer de Noms and some of the stuff on 13th Step. "Thomas" and "Sleeping Beauty" off of Mer de Noms is about as dry as it gets on that album. I think "The Outsider" on 13th Step is a fairly dry guitar tone. I haven't really listened to anything past that.
Ashes Divide was his first solo album. He used his Naked and some old Gibson amp he likes a lot on that one. There are a few songs on that album that were all right.
Anyway, I like the Naylors better than the Naked. I've had about 10 Naylors, and I still have a Duel 100. Unless someone else buys Naylor from Dave King, there won't be anymore 100 watt Naylors. There aren't very many 60 and 38 watt amps making it out of Dallas these days either. It's a shame because those amps are great. I love them for Hard Rock. The TGP crowd plays their 3 note blues bend bullshit on them.
Sixstringflannel
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Dale pretty much nailed it. Admittedly I have a nostalgia lock. Yes Judith is probably the one people recommend because thats how most people got introduced to them. 3 Libras was the first song I heard from them on a random mix cd that my brother left behind when he went to college. The Hollow was one of my favorite songs and I was new to guitar and I remember probably thinking the same thing people thought when EVH came out as in “wtf is that! how do you do that!”.
His tone I preferred was more of an amalgamation of the gear of the time. I loved his atmospheric stuff which had that 2000’s rack gear sound and the rawness of the Naylor/Naked, and when I flip on my MPX-1 I get reminded of that, whatever THAT is.
I’m a pretty big Tool fan as well, but not so much Puscifer, though I like a few of their songs. At the end of the day I’m probably a bigger fan of the guitar parts in Mer De Noms and the Bass parts in 13th Step.
Techdeth
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I’ll check out the stuff you mention . I like a few songs and is time is good . I just unsure what people say was his great classic tone .
I kinda ignored them but like them more these days
Techdeth
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I loved my mpx 1 . Miss it
But thanks . I’ve always kinda ignored them . Probably because I didn’t even like tool until like 2006 . I’m a late bloomer with Maynard
romanianreaper
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Good stuff! Man that song is solid. I'm one of the rare metal heads that doesn't like Tool but i've always liked A Perfect Circle
Devin
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Didn't really do anything for me tbh - 4 and a half minutes of the same thing over and over with a cleaner break in the middle
LPMojoGL
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It's too bad about Dave King. He seemed to have become unreliable and unproductove about the time Naylors kind of had a resurgence.
Dale B
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Yeah, he needs to sell it.
