Problem With Purchase From Member

[guitarmike]

I just traveled from San Diego to TN with a MIM strat without a case or gigbag . Spent 14 hours in Pheonix fixing a CV joint on our rental car. The coolest it got while on our repair shop vacation was 112 degrees, and there was zero problems with the guitar when I returned home. Hell, it was even still mostly in tune. I am not saying that it's not possible, but I find it hard to believe that that type of bow was due to a truss rod adjustment or from being shipped. It seems like it was more of a UH OH ,I didn't notice that type of situation. The OP is being offered a refund? Just take the refund and be on your way.

Why did the buyer want the hard case?

I'd lay money that the buyer is trying to rip off the seller. If I bought a guitar that was messed up I'd return it and the case it came in.

 

[Moshaholic]

Spunds like the fuckwad buyer switched necks and is trying to pull a fast one.

If that is the case, he must be strung up, drawn and quartered. Who would be so fucking stupid to do something like that over a guitar worth a few hundred bucks or any amount, for that matter?

Dude... i get up to read this thread and then I just end up staring at your avatar...

 

[glip22]

I would do business with Giles. Already have with zero issues. Two things going here which one is very possible. One: The buyer is trying to get over. Two: We all know wood can react in some crazy manners, especially maple. I had a particular guitar once with a maple neck. It would be fine and stable. When it became humid out the neck would twist in one area. Sometimes a guitar can be perfect when it is under tension and when the strings are removed it can twist or have odd areas. Bottom line maple can be very funny. With the heat, etc. the hump appeared after it was shipped. Hope you guys get it sorted. What Giles is offering is beyond reasonable.

 

[steve_k]

Spunds like the fuckwad buyer switched necks and is trying to pull a fast one.

If that is the case, he must be strung up, drawn and quartered. Who would be so fucking stupid to do something like that over a guitar worth a few hundred bucks or any amount, for that matter?

Dude... i get up to read this thread and then I just end up staring at your avatar...

- will take your mind off the rest of it.

 

[tallcoolone]

I dont know why I just wasted 10 minutes of my life reading this whole thread but all I'm going to say is why the fuck would you buy a guitar sight-unseen?

Amen! Never understood how anyone could roll the dice on some thing so personal as a guitar.

 

[cardinal]

Fact is, buyer bought a guitar under the impression there was no hump in the neck. Assuming you can verify that's the same neck, he didn't receive the guitar in the condition described.

My $.02: he needs to take it to a repair shop (not a "tech.". What's a tech? Someone who can change stings and turn a truss rod wrench), and preferably a repair shop that's not his best bud so that they're more objective. Get a quote for a fix, and the seller should probably either pay for the fix or take it back. Maybe this was caused by environment changes, but that seems strange and in any event would seem like an easy fix if that's the case (if heat/humidity cause the hump you should be able to heat it and clamp it straight again, I'd think).

 

[paulyc]

To the OP, TAKE THE OFFER. Ship it back in it's case, but first you must prove that you didn't switch necks, because IF you did you're an ASSHOLE.

 

[threadkiller]

Damn what a mess! I just bought a charvel here and it's on the way. Threads like this make me nervous, ha-ha.

The asking about the neck pocket thing is a little fishy but should be pretty easy to compare neck grain to confirm that it is still the same neck or not. The shipping it back in a gig bag is shady as hell. It looks like this neck is warped, not a truss rod problem so I can understands the buyer's position. I don't think anyone could have caused this kind of warping with the truss rod. Maybe it came from humidity/heat in shipping who knows. If I was in this situation as the buyer I would just return the guitar "in the original HSC" and pay for the shipping back and as seller I would issue a full refund. Problem with that is you guys used paypal gift so now someone has to take a leap of faith. All to save what, $30. Not worth it IMO. If you guys can't work something out, which is probably impossible now with all the shit that's been flung, the buyer might as well bite the bullet and save up for a new neck if that one can't be salvaged. Doesn't look like it can to me but I'm no luthier. Wouldn't be the first $200-300 bucks I had to eat on music gear.

 

[paulyc]

I'm pretty sure the OP could ship that neck to Charvel and they would fix or replace it.

 

[evhfan]

AWESOME...there must be 2 then of the same guitar at that place


https://www.ebay.com/itm/Charvel-USA-San ... 1590035951?


also got an email from Steve saying the original buyer backed out

I saw that Vanilla Shake Charvel on ebay yesterday...I was POSITIVE it was a scam or a duplicate cause said buyer busted a nut on here for 2 days talking about how great it is

I wouldn't call bullshit if I were you...

You will be scraping egg of your face for weeks to come, so I would back off on the "Vanilla Shake" thing again you are a very uninformed

That guitar was delvered to me on 09/04/2014 courtesy of my boy Steve at Custom Metal Guitars and personally signed for by me.



Please feel free to track it...

1Z9X9A04A894507816

 

[Joe-TX]

Spunds like the fuckwad buyer switched necks and is trying to pull a fast one.

If that is the case, he must be strung up, drawn and quartered. Who would be so fucking stupid to do something like that over a guitar worth a few hundred bucks or any amount, for that matter?

To suggest that I or we would do something like that is utterly stupid. I have the guitar with me until Shane returns from his family vacation on Tuesday. If Giles has pics to compare and can prove that it is the same guitar then we can compare the grain on the photos. Bottom line is that the neck on this guitar is fucked and it was from the moment it got here. All that has been done to it is a restring, trying to do anything else with it is pointless.

 

[Moshaholic]

Spunds like the fuckwad buyer switched necks and is trying to pull a fast one.

If that is the case, he must be strung up, drawn and quartered. Who would be so fucking stupid to do something like that over a guitar worth a few hundred bucks or any amount, for that matter?

To suggest that I or we would do something like that is utterly stupid. I have the guitar with me until Shane returns from his family vacation on Tuesday. If Giles has pics to compare and can prove that it is the same guitar then we can compare the grain on the photos. Bottom line is that the neck on this guitar is fucked and it was from the moment it got here. All that has been done to it is a restring, trying to do anything else with it is pointless.

Your stories keep changing like the weather since the guitar landed.

"My tech worked on the entire day", "I never touched it or took it apart", "broken beyond repair", "you can sell it to another discriminating buyer", "If you like your TECH you can him him"... blah blah

"News flash" the neck is not messed up your skill set and integrity level is whats messed up.

My brother in-law took the strings of a fender Japan p-bass and left them off for a week and the bass looked like a damn chiquita banana...

The back bow was so bad you could have made a rocking chair out if it. And it was take to a sold tech and made whole in no time.

Dale B posted a a place to take the guitar, I strongly suggest Shane takes it there today.

 

[Joe-TX]

First of all I do not owe anybody on this forum and explanation on anything on any level and I laugh at the mob mentality and small mindedness of a lot of people around here.
The ball has been in this guy’s court since Tuesday and honestly he would have had his problem solved one way or another or his money back by now if he would step up.
A this point like I said if anyone one wants to take sides or not buy anything from me I honestly could care less because you are uniformed.
That said there is not one person, thread or post made by anyone on this forum that will ever influence my standing in this matter ever or what the final outcome is.

The biggest problem when you write something is people misinterpret what is said and read into everything the wrong way as demonstrated multiple times in this thread already by a few fools. My time is very valuable and I have wasted close to three days dealing with serious nonsense from Shane and this “would be tech” and personal friend of his for 15 years (I was told). I feel like there is a lot of nepotisim going on here as well. I am posting this epistle and I am done and am moving on and am not going to publicly entertain this matter at all. In the future as Tom, Steve, Alex and few other close friends have told me DON’T deal with people who have little or no posting history on this forum and you will avoid much headaches.

I bought these guitars from Pedro Rodriguez on TGP, they are/were very beautiful guitars and perfect with zero issues when Pedro shipped then to me when I received them, and when I sold them. I posted many pictures of these guitars 5 days prior to receiving them from Pedro. I was very excited about finding such great condition practically new USA Charvel guitars. As a matter of fact Pedro jumped in the thread and proudly said “Your going to love them bro”.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=159216

Also, prior to even paying for them when we are going over the details of the transaction Pedro told me if there was a single thing about these guitars that I did not like it would be no problem to send them back for a full refund. I have this in writing in an email, text or PM.
I bought the guitars on Sunday August 24 and they arrived during the day on Friday August 29th. Those who know me know that I am very picky and trust me when I say that when both these guitars were received they were as Pedro said. Like brand new and they both played FLAWLESSLY. The necks bodies and hardware were all inspected thoroughly from top to bottom. Had there been anything of unrepairable neck issue or neck issues of any kind I would have contacted Pedro and RETURNED as he said I could. In other words I hd an easy out if there were any issues. I spent a good portion of the afternoon playing the guitars - no issues. During the 5 short days I had these guitars in my possession I did not touch the gold guitar in anyway shape or form with any tools or anything, I just played it right out of the case as it came to me.

Later on the evening I noticed Steve from CMC guitars posted on ebay the Vanilla Shake custom shop guitar. I was no stranger to that guitar because Steve was at the Charvel custom shop in early August and took pics of it while it was being built and sent to me from his phone. He said he was buying it and that it was really killer. He mentioned it might be 3-4 week until he gets it though and I know how things can drag out so I had kind of moved on from that guitar until it showed up. I was man I should have been patient. On Saturday the 30th of August I text-ed Steve and against my better judgment ( I had just got two new guitars the day before) I snapped and convinced myself to buy the vanilla shake guitar mainly because I wanted a rosewood board and I had only maple boards ( I think I mentioned this in the thread about the guitar).

During my conversation with Steve on the phone which lasted a while we talked in depth about my new Charvels that I had received from Pedro and I was telling him how amazing they were and I’m probably a total nutcase for buying another Charvel custom shop since I just received these. During our conversation I clearly told him that I was going to most likely sell one or both to help out with the cost of this new unanticipated purchase. He is going to post and verify all this soon as the OP make false accusations in regards to the Vanilla Shake guitar.
The following Monday, September 1st. I put up a for sale thread with both guitars in it.

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=159533

I also had them for sale locally here in Franklin. On Tuesday a really good friend of mine a pro touring musician who made a serious living in a signed touring band for years came over to look at the Gold Guitar in question. I pulled it out of the case and BOTH OF US WANKED ON IT FOR OVER AN HOUR. He loved it ( and so did I ) The guitar as when I got it played and sounded killer, made me think about keeping it. He really wanted it but needed time to get money together.

I told him it would probably sell fast. On the 4th of September I was contacted by Shane and he wanted to buy the guitar. He asked me something in the many years of buying and selling guitars I had never been asked. “How is the neck pocket”. I called him and we talked about it and it really seemed to big a big deal for him. His line of questioning made me feel that he was kind of fussy to some extent or had something in mind. He said he currently owns Charvel he recently bought and the neck had a small tiny gap and didn't fit real tight in the pocket and he was very concerned about this guitar in that respect. I took pictures of the guitars neck pocket area and spoke to him over the phone in great detail about the guitar. Again the guitar was immaculate and I checked the neck myself and is had ZERO humps and actually had a pube of relief in the neck which is what I like. There was no back bow between the 1st and 6th frets at all. (BTW which is beyond easy to fix if you have a clue).

The guitar would have not played at all like it did and there is no way I would ship anything to anyone if the neck needed a tweek without telling him up front. This guitar was in no way shape or form in some un-repairable condition. I was very detailed in describing the neck pocket and taking extra pictures of it and I told him the guitar played great and that the only thing I would do is raise the bridge a bit and put a little heavier gauge string on it if I was going to keep it for myself.

So shipped Shane the guitar and checked the tracking, it was held over the weekend at a fedex location in Cypress, Tx. which I believe is in Southern Texas Houston area, he received it Monday September 8th, I checked the tracking to make sure it was picked up…
This is where the nonsense begins.

I will say this damn guitar was so nice that if you told me I would wasting 3+ day sof my time dealing with nonsense like this I would have laughed.
The last thing I expected to receive was this shocking email from Shane and his personal friend of 15 years or know as the "would be tech”.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Giles,

Received the guitar yesterday
And aesthetically it is great. Brought to my tech ( who is also an avid RT'er) for set up and he alerted me to the issue below. I am gong to be traveling today but he can be reached at (281) 798-2118 or the below email if you need further explanation. Let me know how you would like to handle the return. I will keep the hard case (deduct $50) and send in a charvel gig bag that I have for another guitar if that works for you. Joe will ship it for me as I am gone until the 15th.

Thanks
Shane

Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:
From: Joe Villarreal <jvil2@yahoo.com>
Date: September 8, 2014 at 11:21:59 PM CDT
To: Shane Cormier <Shane1713@gmail.com>
Subject: Charvel So Cal
Shane, there is an issue with the Charvel So Cal. It's got a hump on the high string side from the 1st fret to about the 6th fret and you can't dial it out with the truss rod. The hump is at it's highest point at the 3rd fret and it's on the verge of choking out just playing that note never mind trying to bend it. I can't do anything more with it.

Joe

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Where do I start???

1. Return? What return? You and I have not even had a basic conversation about anything and we have not had the opportunity to come to any mutual agreement or even an understanding about anything.
2. Keep the case??? WTF? Who are you to arbitrarily tell me your sending me a guitar back and your keeping the case and shipping back in a used gig bag you have lying around the house??? This shows little concern for the guitar during transit or me as the seller
3. Why is your tech/friend who did not buy the guitar nor was the person I did business with shipping the guitar back to me?
4. On the subject of Joe, you say your tech an "AVID RIG-TALKER" in your I'm returning the guitar email??? I would hardly call 87 posts “AVID”.
5. I'm getting an email from an unknown third party l who is supposed to be a “TECH” and I am now being notified that the perfect guitar I just bought from Pedro and had at my house for 5 days is now somehow not only broken and unplayable, but is broken BROKEN BEYOND ANY AND ALL REPAIR AND ANY FURTHER TRUSS ROD ADJUSTMENT CANNOT FIX IT EVER???

I was not happy, to me this was questionable several reasons. I called the Joe Tech/Friend expecting to get a repair shop and all I got was a voice-mail “This is Joe Leave a message”. I do not know about you but when a guy says my TECH” that is a strong word like when you hear “Doctor” you assume professional skills and some one who is fully certified and qualified to make these statements and back them up. Especially when you read an email containing frets choking out, cant dial the hump out with the truss-rod, etc. I have been told repeatedly a hump between 1 and 6 can be fixed by any tech wit half a brain. While the guitar did not leave my hands looking like that, it is a straight forward thing and those charvel necks are amazing. This guy needs to take it a real pro and based on the circumstances has been asked to get a second opinion by a real tech who is not his personal friend of 15 years and had real credentials and fender certification. My tech Tom Barkstrom works for "Joe Glaser Guitar" here in Nashville and pretty much is the top shelf of top guitar Luthiers anywhere you can think of. I bought a brand spanking new ibanez RG hardtail to him back in the day when we he worked in south Florida that played bad and I could not dial it in and it had a twist in the neck and this guy in 20 min and that thing playing so good and fixed the twist it was unbelievable. This was a brand new guitar too. There are tons of people who claim to be "techs" because they change strings and do minor setups but are in the pro league at all.

I have tactics I use when I feel things are not right and I was pissed and decided to bust this dude balls hard. The main reaon was I knew what I bought from Pedro and what I shipped this kid.
I called him and ripped him about keeping the case and telling me he is going to throw the guitar in a used gigbag and ship it back to me in that. This in and of itself which is totally wrong and fishy on all levels and put a dent in this guys integrity from the get-go.

I proceeded to ask him asked him about his “tech” and what happened and told him I was totally blown away by everything in the email above, that it made zero sense to me.
Shane quickly defended the email telling me get this “MY TECH WORKED ON THE GUITAR THE ENTIRE DAY AND CANT FIX THE NECK”. My wife of 15 years was standing near and heard this conversation quickly escalate and upon hearing Shane state over the phone to me "his tech worked on the guitar the ENTIRE DAY" I blew up because any good tech should not be working on a neck the entire day period??? This was his exact statement to me over the phone and if Shane says any different he is a stone cold liar period. That single statement that came out of his mouth was resounding in my head for the rest of the day and was the catalyst for my continued busting of his balls.

Anyway I went off and yelled “The entire day???”...WTF?
I was like my tech could figure out if a neck was bad or had issues in 10 min??? WTF an entire day???
Then I said how the hell did you get the guitar over to and in front of a quality tech so fast you just got it???
I asked how could any tech with a bench load of work mess with a neck the entire day???
So this guy (your friend) or your tech is saying THIS GUITAR IS UN REPAIRABLE??? I was like what are his qualifications? What certifications does he have? I specifically asked Ol’ Shane boy is his tech was Fender/Charvel certified to work on the truss rod of a neck and make a judgment call that the neck was completely unrepairable. Many bad pictures entered my head because of what this kid was saying about a tech working all day, truss rod not working, cant to take the back bow out, etc.

To all of the above "CRICKETS"…

Because I now have an email stating a perfect guitar with a straight neck I shipped this guy is totally broke beyond repair I asked him to produce info about this tech and the repair itself.
I asked for the name of the Repair shop where this tech works.
I asked for a copy of a repair order or work order to be photographed or scanned and photographed with smart phone
I asked for a copy of his payment to this tech for services rendered and a written statement that this guitar is unrepairable
"CRICKETS"….

I said dude, I know what I sent you, “a perfectly playing Charvel USA like brand new in a brand new Charvel hard-shell case and you didn't even play it, took it to someone you call a tech who emails me at 11:21 PM that night stating the guitar is unrepairable and you want to keep the case and throw it in a gig bag, send it back to me and you can’t answer a single question or provide proof of where this guys works or anything about his qualifications?

Shane tells me I should just call his tech. I said I already did and got a voice mail and BTW, I didn't sell the guitar to him, I sold it to you and you need to handle this yourself with me.
I asked him repeatedly to take it to another tech for a second opinion because of his statements about his tech working the entire day on a neck honestly made me think the guys not very capable. ( which me now know is very true) Plus I refuse to hear that this guitar is broken beyond repair as it makes no sense at all as I did not ship a broken beyond repiar guitar to Shane , not even close.

Anyway I beat this guy up all day to take it somewhere else for a second opinion and told him I would need the opinion of a real tech, a preferably certified tech.
Thus far CRICKETS.

I called him out on the carpet right and left to get to the bottom of things because from where I was sitting everything was very fishy and was just unbelievable. Then I get this email from Shane and this was the end of the road…

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
“Giles. I have no desire to rip you off nor take your money and the guitar.
The guitar could still be sold to a less discriminating buyer if you want.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I was like RESELL TO A LESS DISCRIMINATING BUYER???
You and your so called tech’s email said THE GUITAR IS UNFIX-ABLE AND YOU NEED A REFUND???
Now you telling me in an email I can resell it to a less discriminating buyer after your tech said he cant fix it???

Any "Less discriminating buyers" reading this thread want to take Shanes offer???

I said ENOUGH and reading that... I’m done bro with you on all levels, first its unfixable and now I can resell it to another less discriminating buyer... This is fishy beyond fishey sounding.

I demanded that he take it to a real tech that I can trust who is fender certified or that he can enjoy your new Charvel "as is". This situation needs to be Vetted IMO by a real pro since I sent the kid a straight guitar that I could have returned to Pedro no questions asked and the fact I didn't and kept the guitar speaks volumes as too the condition of the neck. I know how to sight a guitar neck and set up a guitar like this after z couple decades guys. This thing was not jacked when it left and nothing makes sense.

I contacted Pedro the original owner I got the guitars from and forward him the “bedroom pics” and emails from “Joe-Blow the wanna be tech who says the guitar chant be fixed (but it can if you’re a pro) and Shane. I even grilled him about the history of the guitars and he said that he bought these and barley played them and that they have never been to a tech. He said he never ever thought there were any issues with these guitars when he had them and sold them to me and neither did I or I would have sent them back to Pedro for an easy refund.
Pedro is a stand up guy and because I only had the guitar but 5 days at my house offered to just shut everything down and refund me to avoid all this mess and I could get the guitar back from Shanus and send it back to him.


To be honest that would have been an easy out for me and we would not all be here. But I feel bad because Shane and his personal friend aand everything that went down is very questionable AFAIC at all and everything from them is hinkey to the max. I have been pushing for these clowns to step up and prove this guitar is broken beyond all repair and “CRICKETS”. Now these guys come on this forums after striking out with paypal and are trying to strong arm me with people here… lol

It won’t work and shows the true character of these guys who are supposed to be AVID rig talkers. 87 posts… very avid indeed!

The fact that Shane does not want to get a second opinion and took this thing to a "bedroom tech" buddy is beyond telling. His whole story and cadence stinks to high heaven since the first email.
Shane was/is offered a repair, refund or a new neck from Pedro if he steps up and he won’t. NOT MY PROBLEM ANY MORE. Pedro and I have exchanged several emails and your door is fast closing.
As stated in the beginning of this epistle I’m done with this thread once posted. Keep it going if you all want and feel free in true forum fashion to misinterpret everything I have just said..

BTW those pics of the neck hump have been in front of a pro tech who laughed hard and said that can fixed very easily even if the neck was heated up and humidified in the south Texas heat at the fedex place over the weekend while it was on hold. (this is the "take the high road" on this debacle possible theory)

At this point I have no clue what to believe from these guys because first and foremost I was told from square one by Shane (unbeknownst to his friend) “My tech” (who is not a tech at all IMO)” worked the entire day trying to fix the neck. All I can say is Shane buddy you buried yourself with that statement. I have asked for technical credentials for the friend of yours who says the guitar is broken beyond repair. The story has gone from "he worked the entire day to level a neck" straight to from Shane's mouth to the tech saying in a post in this thread "I never even took it apart because I wouldn't know how to do anything like that" from the techs post in this thread???

I know what I shipped Shane and what Pedro Rodriguez shipped me just a 5 days earlier, a guitar with a straight perfect neck that was not "unrepairable" ...So ya think about that.

You know how to get a hold of me Shane and out of pure respect for this forum I'm not going to continue this publicly on any level, both Pedro and i have been on stand by for a day and a half for you to "step-up" and "CRICKETS" buddy CRICKETS.... until now and this thread.

IMO it shows a lot of sincere cheesyness in light of the facts to come like and start this crap (like i really care anyway...) I'm thinking "thank GOD this clown" paid with paypal gift

BTW I do wonder a little about why so many questions and the photo-OP of the the neck pocket prior to buying the guitar and nothing else? Hmmmmm.....

Here is the pic I took of the guitar and sent to the buyer in regards to the neck pocket fit to accommodate the buyer in any way I could while discussing the transaction over the phone with. I thoroughly answered all his questions and again this situation is beyond belief to me.

"TRANSPARENCY WAS VERY HIGH ON THIS TRANSACTION". I went over the entire guitar with him and myself... Many times I bwill low off buyers because I can tell from their questions (Does it have tooobz?) that they are are just too "JV" and then all you get is problems from someone who is just not experienced enough to know about anything they are buying and I do not have time for that as the headaches are not worth it. As a 49 year old pro gear nut I know who is good for about 30-40k a year in gear deals since about 1997 (that's when I got a real job.. lol) I totally know all about things getting jacked up with sellers/buyers. Never again with forum unknowns...Tom told me he searches post history of anyone who does a buyer inquiry, sound like a good plan to me from now on.

Peace.

I can't speak for Shane or as to what has transpired between Shane and Giles. Shane is on a family vacation and won't be available until later this evening. I do however need to clarify a few things that clearly Giles is entirely wrong about.

Although I do tech for Shane as he is a good friend I no longer do this as a living, I got out in 1998 and got a real job, a great job that pays me many times over what I used to make then. I will however work on a friends guitar on occasion if time permits.

The only missed call I have was from a Florida number ( 954-612-7258) at 6:47 am on Tuesday and no message was left. I'm not in the habit of calling numbers I don't recognize especially at odd hours of the day. If this was you then how the fuck am I supposed to know if you don't leave a message.

I did not work on the guitar for 8 hours. It doesn't even take an hour to restring and set up for Eb. Again, once I saw what was wrong with the neck there was no point to do anything else to it and I informed Shane through an email which has been posted above.

Since the guitar is in my possession while Shane is on vacation I offered to ship it back for him if he had something worked out with the seller. I was told that the seller had made no offer to take it back and was met with accusations that he or I had fucked it up.

I'm not here to fight Shane's battle but only tell my side of the story and that is pretty short and simple. Anyone here can see that the neck on this guitar is fucked. It was fucked when it got here and it's still fucked. Now there is a suggestion that we or I switched necks on it. We can compare photos to prove this if that's what it takes and I'll do that as soon as I get home from work.

 

[Moshaholic]

First of all I do not owe anybody on this forum and explanation on anything on any level and I laugh at the mob mentality and small mindedness of a lot of people around here.
The ball has been in this guy’s court since Tuesday and honestly he would have had his problem solved one way or another or his money back by now if he would step up.
A this point like I said if anyone one wants to take sides or not buy anything from me I honestly could care less because you are uniformed.
That said there is not one person, thread or post made by anyone on this forum that will ever influence my standing in this matter ever or what the final outcome is.

The biggest problem when you write something is people misinterpret what is said and read into everything the wrong way as demonstrated multiple times in this thread already by a few fools. My time is very valuable and I have wasted close to three days dealing with serious nonsense from Shane and this “would be tech” and personal friend of his for 15 years (I was told). I feel like there is a lot of nepotisim going on here as well. I am posting this epistle and I am done and am moving on and am not going to publicly entertain this matter at all. In the future as Tom, Steve, Alex and few other close friends have told me DON’T deal with people who have little or no posting history on this forum and you will avoid much headaches.

I bought these guitars from Pedro Rodriguez on TGP, they are/were very beautiful guitars and perfect with zero issues when Pedro shipped then to me when I received them, and when I sold them. I posted many pictures of these guitars 5 days prior to receiving them from Pedro. I was very excited about finding such great condition practically new USA Charvel guitars. As a matter of fact Pedro jumped in the thread and proudly said “Your going to love them bro”.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=159216

Also, prior to even paying for them when we are going over the details of the transaction Pedro told me if there was a single thing about these guitars that I did not like it would be no problem to send them back for a full refund. I have this in writing in an email, text or PM.
I bought the guitars on Sunday August 24 and they arrived during the day on Friday August 29th. Those who know me know that I am very picky and trust me when I say that when both these guitars were received they were as Pedro said. Like brand new and they both played FLAWLESSLY. The necks bodies and hardware were all inspected thoroughly from top to bottom. Had there been anything of unrepairable neck issue or neck issues of any kind I would have contacted Pedro and RETURNED as he said I could. In other words I hd an easy out if there were any issues. I spent a good portion of the afternoon playing the guitars - no issues. During the 5 short days I had these guitars in my possession I did not touch the gold guitar in anyway shape or form with any tools or anything, I just played it right out of the case as it came to me.

Later on the evening I noticed Steve from CMC guitars posted on ebay the Vanilla Shake custom shop guitar. I was no stranger to that guitar because Steve was at the Charvel custom shop in early August and took pics of it while it was being built and sent to me from his phone. He said he was buying it and that it was really killer. He mentioned it might be 3-4 week until he gets it though and I know how things can drag out so I had kind of moved on from that guitar until it showed up. I was man I should have been patient. On Saturday the 30th of August I text-ed Steve and against my better judgment ( I had just got two new guitars the day before) I snapped and convinced myself to buy the vanilla shake guitar mainly because I wanted a rosewood board and I had only maple boards ( I think I mentioned this in the thread about the guitar).

During my conversation with Steve on the phone which lasted a while we talked in depth about my new Charvels that I had received from Pedro and I was telling him how amazing they were and I’m probably a total nutcase for buying another Charvel custom shop since I just received these. During our conversation I clearly told him that I was going to most likely sell one or both to help out with the cost of this new unanticipated purchase. He is going to post and verify all this soon as the OP make false accusations in regards to the Vanilla Shake guitar.
The following Monday, September 1st. I put up a for sale thread with both guitars in it.

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=159533

I also had them for sale locally here in Franklin. On Tuesday a really good friend of mine a pro touring musician who made a serious living in a signed touring band for years came over to look at the Gold Guitar in question. I pulled it out of the case and BOTH OF US WANKED ON IT FOR OVER AN HOUR. He loved it ( and so did I ) The guitar as when I got it played and sounded killer, made me think about keeping it. He really wanted it but needed time to get money together.

I told him it would probably sell fast. On the 4th of September I was contacted by Shane and he wanted to buy the guitar. He asked me something in the many years of buying and selling guitars I had never been asked. “How is the neck pocket”. I called him and we talked about it and it really seemed to big a big deal for him. His line of questioning made me feel that he was kind of fussy to some extent or had something in mind. He said he currently owns Charvel he recently bought and the neck had a small tiny gap and didn't fit real tight in the pocket and he was very concerned about this guitar in that respect. I took pictures of the guitars neck pocket area and spoke to him over the phone in great detail about the guitar. Again the guitar was immaculate and I checked the neck myself and is had ZERO humps and actually had a pube of relief in the neck which is what I like. There was no back bow between the 1st and 6th frets at all. (BTW which is beyond easy to fix if you have a clue).

The guitar would have not played at all like it did and there is no way I would ship anything to anyone if the neck needed a tweek without telling him up front. This guitar was in no way shape or form in some un-repairable condition. I was very detailed in describing the neck pocket and taking extra pictures of it and I told him the guitar played great and that the only thing I would do is raise the bridge a bit and put a little heavier gauge string on it if I was going to keep it for myself.

So shipped Shane the guitar and checked the tracking, it was held over the weekend at a fedex location in Cypress, Tx. which I believe is in Southern Texas Houston area, he received it Monday September 8th, I checked the tracking to make sure it was picked up…
This is where the nonsense begins.

I will say this damn guitar was so nice that if you told me I would wasting 3+ day sof my time dealing with nonsense like this I would have laughed.
The last thing I expected to receive was this shocking email from Shane and his personal friend of 15 years or know as the "would be tech”.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Giles,

Received the guitar yesterday
And aesthetically it is great. Brought to my tech ( who is also an avid RT'er) for set up and he alerted me to the issue below. I am gong to be traveling today but he can be reached at (281) 798-2118 or the below email if you need further explanation. Let me know how you would like to handle the return. I will keep the hard case (deduct $50) and send in a charvel gig bag that I have for another guitar if that works for you. Joe will ship it for me as I am gone until the 15th.

Thanks
Shane

Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:
From: Joe Villarreal <jvil2@yahoo.com>
Date: September 8, 2014 at 11:21:59 PM CDT
To: Shane Cormier <Shane1713@gmail.com>
Subject: Charvel So Cal
Shane, there is an issue with the Charvel So Cal. It's got a hump on the high string side from the 1st fret to about the 6th fret and you can't dial it out with the truss rod. The hump is at it's highest point at the 3rd fret and it's on the verge of choking out just playing that note never mind trying to bend it. I can't do anything more with it.

Joe

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Where do I start???

1. Return? What return? You and I have not even had a basic conversation about anything and we have not had the opportunity to come to any mutual agreement or even an understanding about anything.
2. Keep the case??? WTF? Who are you to arbitrarily tell me your sending me a guitar back and your keeping the case and shipping back in a used gig bag you have lying around the house??? This shows little concern for the guitar during transit or me as the seller
3. Why is your tech/friend who did not buy the guitar nor was the person I did business with shipping the guitar back to me?
4. On the subject of Joe, you say your tech an "AVID RIG-TALKER" in your I'm returning the guitar email??? I would hardly call 87 posts “AVID”.
5. I'm getting an email from an unknown third party l who is supposed to be a “TECH” and I am now being notified that the perfect guitar I just bought from Pedro and had at my house for 5 days is now somehow not only broken and unplayable, but is broken BROKEN BEYOND ANY AND ALL REPAIR AND ANY FURTHER TRUSS ROD ADJUSTMENT CANNOT FIX IT EVER???

I was not happy, to me this was questionable several reasons. I called the Joe Tech/Friend expecting to get a repair shop and all I got was a voice-mail “This is Joe Leave a message”. I do not know about you but when a guy says my TECH” that is a strong word like when you hear “Doctor” you assume professional skills and some one who is fully certified and qualified to make these statements and back them up. Especially when you read an email containing frets choking out, cant dial the hump out with the truss-rod, etc. I have been told repeatedly a hump between 1 and 6 can be fixed by any tech wit half a brain. While the guitar did not leave my hands looking like that, it is a straight forward thing and those charvel necks are amazing. This guy needs to take it a real pro and based on the circumstances has been asked to get a second opinion by a real tech who is not his personal friend of 15 years and had real credentials and fender certification. My tech Tom Barkstrom works for "Joe Glaser Guitar" here in Nashville and pretty much is the top shelf of top guitar Luthiers anywhere you can think of. I bought a brand spanking new ibanez RG hardtail to him back in the day when we he worked in south Florida that played bad and I could not dial it in and it had a twist in the neck and this guy in 20 min and that thing playing so good and fixed the twist it was unbelievable. This was a brand new guitar too. There are tons of people who claim to be "techs" because they change strings and do minor setups but are in the pro league at all.

I have tactics I use when I feel things are not right and I was pissed and decided to bust this dude balls hard. The main reaon was I knew what I bought from Pedro and what I shipped this kid.
I called him and ripped him about keeping the case and telling me he is going to throw the guitar in a used gigbag and ship it back to me in that. This in and of itself which is totally wrong and fishy on all levels and put a dent in this guys integrity from the get-go.

I proceeded to ask him asked him about his “tech” and what happened and told him I was totally blown away by everything in the email above, that it made zero sense to me.
Shane quickly defended the email telling me get this “MY TECH WORKED ON THE GUITAR THE ENTIRE DAY AND CANT FIX THE NECK”. My wife of 15 years was standing near and heard this conversation quickly escalate and upon hearing Shane state over the phone to me "his tech worked on the guitar the ENTIRE DAY" I blew up because any good tech should not be working on a neck the entire day period??? This was his exact statement to me over the phone and if Shane says any different he is a stone cold liar period. That single statement that came out of his mouth was resounding in my head for the rest of the day and was the catalyst for my continued busting of his balls.

Anyway I went off and yelled “The entire day???”...WTF?
I was like my tech could figure out if a neck was bad or had issues in 10 min??? WTF an entire day???
Then I said how the hell did you get the guitar over to and in front of a quality tech so fast you just got it???
I asked how could any tech with a bench load of work mess with a neck the entire day???
So this guy (your friend) or your tech is saying THIS GUITAR IS UN REPAIRABLE??? I was like what are his qualifications? What certifications does he have? I specifically asked Ol’ Shane boy is his tech was Fender/Charvel certified to work on the truss rod of a neck and make a judgment call that the neck was completely unrepairable. Many bad pictures entered my head because of what this kid was saying about a tech working all day, truss rod not working, cant to take the back bow out, etc.

To all of the above "CRICKETS"…

Because I now have an email stating a perfect guitar with a straight neck I shipped this guy is totally broke beyond repair I asked him to produce info about this tech and the repair itself.
I asked for the name of the Repair shop where this tech works.
I asked for a copy of a repair order or work order to be photographed or scanned and photographed with smart phone
I asked for a copy of his payment to this tech for services rendered and a written statement that this guitar is unrepairable
"CRICKETS"….

I said dude, I know what I sent you, “a perfectly playing Charvel USA like brand new in a brand new Charvel hard-shell case and you didn't even play it, took it to someone you call a tech who emails me at 11:21 PM that night stating the guitar is unrepairable and you want to keep the case and throw it in a gig bag, send it back to me and you can’t answer a single question or provide proof of where this guys works or anything about his qualifications?

Shane tells me I should just call his tech. I said I already did and got a voice mail and BTW, I didn't sell the guitar to him, I sold it to you and you need to handle this yourself with me.
I asked him repeatedly to take it to another tech for a second opinion because of his statements about his tech working the entire day on a neck honestly made me think the guys not very capable. ( which me now know is very true) Plus I refuse to hear that this guitar is broken beyond repair as it makes no sense at all as I did not ship a broken beyond repiar guitar to Shane , not even close.

Anyway I beat this guy up all day to take it somewhere else for a second opinion and told him I would need the opinion of a real tech, a preferably certified tech.
Thus far CRICKETS.

I called him out on the carpet right and left to get to the bottom of things because from where I was sitting everything was very fishy and was just unbelievable. Then I get this email from Shane and this was the end of the road…

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
“Giles. I have no desire to rip you off nor take your money and the guitar.
The guitar could still be sold to a less discriminating buyer if you want.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I was like RESELL TO A LESS DISCRIMINATING BUYER???
You and your so called tech’s email said THE GUITAR IS UNFIX-ABLE AND YOU NEED A REFUND???
Now you telling me in an email I can resell it to a less discriminating buyer after your tech said he cant fix it???

Any "Less discriminating buyers" reading this thread want to take Shanes offer???

I said ENOUGH and reading that... I’m done bro with you on all levels, first its unfixable and now I can resell it to another less discriminating buyer... This is fishy beyond fishey sounding.

I demanded that he take it to a real tech that I can trust who is fender certified or that he can enjoy your new Charvel "as is". This situation needs to be Vetted IMO by a real pro since I sent the kid a straight guitar that I could have returned to Pedro no questions asked and the fact I didn't and kept the guitar speaks volumes as too the condition of the neck. I know how to sight a guitar neck and set up a guitar like this after z couple decades guys. This thing was not jacked when it left and nothing makes sense.

I contacted Pedro the original owner I got the guitars from and forward him the “bedroom pics” and emails from “Joe-Blow the wanna be tech who says the guitar chant be fixed (but it can if you’re a pro) and Shane. I even grilled him about the history of the guitars and he said that he bought these and barley played them and that they have never been to a tech. He said he never ever thought there were any issues with these guitars when he had them and sold them to me and neither did I or I would have sent them back to Pedro for an easy refund.
Pedro is a stand up guy and because I only had the guitar but 5 days at my house offered to just shut everything down and refund me to avoid all this mess and I could get the guitar back from Shanus and send it back to him.


To be honest that would have been an easy out for me and we would not all be here. But I feel bad because Shane and his personal friend aand everything that went down is very questionable AFAIC at all and everything from them is hinkey to the max. I have been pushing for these clowns to step up and prove this guitar is broken beyond all repair and “CRICKETS”. Now these guys come on this forums after striking out with paypal and are trying to strong arm me with people here… lol

It won’t work and shows the true character of these guys who are supposed to be AVID rig talkers. 87 posts… very avid indeed!

The fact that Shane does not want to get a second opinion and took this thing to a "bedroom tech" buddy is beyond telling. His whole story and cadence stinks to high heaven since the first email.
Shane was/is offered a repair, refund or a new neck from Pedro if he steps up and he won’t. NOT MY PROBLEM ANY MORE. Pedro and I have exchanged several emails and your door is fast closing.
As stated in the beginning of this epistle I’m done with this thread once posted. Keep it going if you all want and feel free in true forum fashion to misinterpret everything I have just said..

BTW those pics of the neck hump have been in front of a pro tech who laughed hard and said that can fixed very easily even if the neck was heated up and humidified in the south Texas heat at the fedex place over the weekend while it was on hold. (this is the "take the high road" on this debacle possible theory)

At this point I have no clue what to believe from these guys because first and foremost I was told from square one by Shane (unbeknownst to his friend) “My tech” (who is not a tech at all IMO)” worked the entire day trying to fix the neck. All I can say is Shane buddy you buried yourself with that statement. I have asked for technical credentials for the friend of yours who says the guitar is broken beyond repair. The story has gone from "he worked the entire day to level a neck" straight to from Shane's mouth to the tech saying in a post in this thread "I never even took it apart because I wouldn't know how to do anything like that" from the techs post in this thread???

I know what I shipped Shane and what Pedro Rodriguez shipped me just a 5 days earlier, a guitar with a straight perfect neck that was not "unrepairable" ...So ya think about that.

You know how to get a hold of me Shane and out of pure respect for this forum I'm not going to continue this publicly on any level, both Pedro and i have been on stand by for a day and a half for you to "step-up" and "CRICKETS" buddy CRICKETS.... until now and this thread.

IMO it shows a lot of sincere cheesyness in light of the facts to come like and start this crap (like i really care anyway...) I'm thinking "thank GOD this clown" paid with paypal gift

BTW I do wonder a little about why so many questions and the photo-OP of the the neck pocket prior to buying the guitar and nothing else? Hmmmmm.....

Here is the pic I took of the guitar and sent to the buyer in regards to the neck pocket fit to accommodate the buyer in any way I could while discussing the transaction over the phone with. I thoroughly answered all his questions and again this situation is beyond belief to me.

"TRANSPARENCY WAS VERY HIGH ON THIS TRANSACTION". I went over the entire guitar with him and myself... Many times I bwill low off buyers because I can tell from their questions (Does it have tooobz?) that they are are just too "JV" and then all you get is problems from someone who is just not experienced enough to know about anything they are buying and I do not have time for that as the headaches are not worth it. As a 49 year old pro gear nut I know who is good for about 30-40k a year in gear deals since about 1997 (that's when I got a real job.. lol) I totally know all about things getting jacked up with sellers/buyers. Never again with forum unknowns...Tom told me he searches post history of anyone who does a buyer inquiry, sound like a good plan to me from now on.

Peace.

I can't speak for Shane or as to what has transpired between Shane and Giles. Shane is on a family vacation and won't be available until later this evening. I do however need to clarify a few things that clearly Giles is entirely wrong about.

Although I do tech for Shane as he is a good friend I no longer do this as a living, I got out in 1998 and got a real job, a great job that pays me many times over what I used to make then. I will however work on a friends guitar on occasion if time permits.

The only missed call I have was from a Florida number ( 954-612-7258) at 6:47 am on Tuesday and no message was left. I'm not in the habit of calling numbers I don't recognize especially at odd hours of the day. If this was you then how the fuck am I supposed to know if you don't leave a message.

I did not work on the guitar for 8 hours. It doesn't even take an hour to restring and set up for Eb. Again, once I saw what was wrong with the neck there was no point to do anything else to it and I informed Shane through an email which has been posted above.

Since the guitar is in my possession while Shane is on vacation I offered to ship it back for him if he had something worked out with the seller. I was told that the seller had made no offer to take it back and was met with accusations that he or I had fucked it up.

I'm not here to fight Shane's battle but only tell my side of the story and that is pretty short and simple. Anyone here can see that the neck on this guitar is fucked. It was fucked when it got here and it's still fucked. Now there is a suggestion that we or I switched necks on it. We can compare photos to prove this if that's what it takes and I'll do that as soon as I get home from work.

Shane was CRYSTAL CLEAR.. He told me you worked on it the entire day trying to flatten the neck and could not do it and fianlly threw in the towel. I blew up at hearing such stupidity and asked him over and over again how could a guy take a whole day to work on a guitar??? + Your email is indicative of adjusting the truss rod if you read it.

The guitar needs to go to a Fender certified tech or nothing happens at my end. GOT IT???

 

[Deleted member 21375]

I have to agree with Mosh here. It needs to go to a pro Fender/Charvel certified tech to be checked out. This is just speculation now but maybe the buyer wanted to see if the neck pocket had any finish cracks or not on the side so that he knew enough to be careful when swapping the neck so as not to crack it.

 

[FourT6and2]

I dont know why I just wasted 10 minutes of my life reading this whole thread but all I'm going to say is why the fuck would you buy a guitar sight-unseen?

Unfortunately, not everybody has a good selection of guitars to browse locally. In fact, all of my guitars have been bought sight unseen. It's not ideal. But if you want a certain guitar that is hard to find, buying online is the only way to do it. In fact, I have an LP arriving today that I bought on eBay. Hopefully it works out for me!

I will say that I've only ever picked up one guitar at a store, in person, that I fell in love with. I should have bought it. Best sounding and playing LP I've ever had my hands on. I went back to that store a little while later to grab it. But it was gone...

 

[Lord Toneking]

First of all I do not owe anybody on this forum and explanation on anything on any level and I laugh at the mob mentality and small mindedness of a lot of people around here.
The ball has been in this guy’s court since Tuesday and honestly he would have had his problem solved one way or another or his money back by now if he would step up.
A this point like I said if anyone one wants to take sides or not buy anything from me I honestly could care less because you are uniformed.
That said there is not one person, thread or post made by anyone on this forum that will ever influence my standing in this matter ever or what the final outcome is.

The biggest problem when you write something is people misinterpret what is said and read into everything the wrong way as demonstrated multiple times in this thread already by a few fools. My time is very valuable and I have wasted close to three days dealing with serious nonsense from Shane and this “would be tech” and personal friend of his for 15 years (I was told). I feel like there is a lot of nepotisim going on here as well. I am posting this epistle and I am done and am moving on and am not going to publicly entertain this matter at all. In the future as Tom, Steve, Alex and few other close friends have told me DON’T deal with people who have little or no posting history on this forum and you will avoid much headaches.

I bought these guitars from Pedro Rodriguez on TGP, they are/were very beautiful guitars and perfect with zero issues when Pedro shipped then to me when I received them, and when I sold them. I posted many pictures of these guitars 5 days prior to receiving them from Pedro. I was very excited about finding such great condition practically new USA Charvel guitars. As a matter of fact Pedro jumped in the thread and proudly said “Your going to love them bro”.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=159216

Also, prior to even paying for them when we are going over the details of the transaction Pedro told me if there was a single thing about these guitars that I did not like it would be no problem to send them back for a full refund. I have this in writing in an email, text or PM.
I bought the guitars on Sunday August 24 and they arrived during the day on Friday August 29th. Those who know me know that I am very picky and trust me when I say that when both these guitars were received they were as Pedro said. Like brand new and they both played FLAWLESSLY. The necks bodies and hardware were all inspected thoroughly from top to bottom. Had there been anything of unrepairable neck issue or neck issues of any kind I would have contacted Pedro and RETURNED as he said I could. In other words I hd an easy out if there were any issues. I spent a good portion of the afternoon playing the guitars - no issues. During the 5 short days I had these guitars in my possession I did not touch the gold guitar in anyway shape or form with any tools or anything, I just played it right out of the case as it came to me.

Later on the evening I noticed Steve from CMC guitars posted on ebay the Vanilla Shake custom shop guitar. I was no stranger to that guitar because Steve was at the Charvel custom shop in early August and took pics of it while it was being built and sent to me from his phone. He said he was buying it and that it was really killer. He mentioned it might be 3-4 week until he gets it though and I know how things can drag out so I had kind of moved on from that guitar until it showed up. I was man I should have been patient. On Saturday the 30th of August I text-ed Steve and against my better judgment ( I had just got two new guitars the day before) I snapped and convinced myself to buy the vanilla shake guitar mainly because I wanted a rosewood board and I had only maple boards ( I think I mentioned this in the thread about the guitar).

During my conversation with Steve on the phone which lasted a while we talked in depth about my new Charvels that I had received from Pedro and I was telling him how amazing they were and I’m probably a total nutcase for buying another Charvel custom shop since I just received these. During our conversation I clearly told him that I was going to most likely sell one or both to help out with the cost of this new unanticipated purchase. He is going to post and verify all this soon as the OP make false accusations in regards to the Vanilla Shake guitar.
The following Monday, September 1st. I put up a for sale thread with both guitars in it.

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=159533

I also had them for sale locally here in Franklin. On Tuesday a really good friend of mine a pro touring musician who made a serious living in a signed touring band for years came over to look at the Gold Guitar in question. I pulled it out of the case and BOTH OF US WANKED ON IT FOR OVER AN HOUR. He loved it ( and so did I ) The guitar as when I got it played and sounded killer, made me think about keeping it. He really wanted it but needed time to get money together.

I told him it would probably sell fast. On the 4th of September I was contacted by Shane and he wanted to buy the guitar. He asked me something in the many years of buying and selling guitars I had never been asked. “How is the neck pocket”. I called him and we talked about it and it really seemed to big a big deal for him. His line of questioning made me feel that he was kind of fussy to some extent or had something in mind. He said he currently owns Charvel he recently bought and the neck had a small tiny gap and didn't fit real tight in the pocket and he was very concerned about this guitar in that respect. I took pictures of the guitars neck pocket area and spoke to him over the phone in great detail about the guitar. Again the guitar was immaculate and I checked the neck myself and is had ZERO humps and actually had a pube of relief in the neck which is what I like. There was no back bow between the 1st and 6th frets at all. (BTW which is beyond easy to fix if you have a clue).

The guitar would have not played at all like it did and there is no way I would ship anything to anyone if the neck needed a tweek without telling him up front. This guitar was in no way shape or form in some un-repairable condition. I was very detailed in describing the neck pocket and taking extra pictures of it and I told him the guitar played great and that the only thing I would do is raise the bridge a bit and put a little heavier gauge string on it if I was going to keep it for myself.

So shipped Shane the guitar and checked the tracking, it was held over the weekend at a fedex location in Cypress, Tx. which I believe is in Southern Texas Houston area, he received it Monday September 8th, I checked the tracking to make sure it was picked up…
This is where the nonsense begins.

I will say this damn guitar was so nice that if you told me I would wasting 3+ day sof my time dealing with nonsense like this I would have laughed.
The last thing I expected to receive was this shocking email from Shane and his personal friend of 15 years or know as the "would be tech”.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Giles,

Received the guitar yesterday
And aesthetically it is great. Brought to my tech ( who is also an avid RT'er) for set up and he alerted me to the issue below. I am gong to be traveling today but he can be reached at (281) 798-2118 or the below email if you need further explanation. Let me know how you would like to handle the return. I will keep the hard case (deduct $50) and send in a charvel gig bag that I have for another guitar if that works for you. Joe will ship it for me as I am gone until the 15th.

Thanks
Shane

Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:
From: Joe Villarreal <jvil2@yahoo.com>
Date: September 8, 2014 at 11:21:59 PM CDT
To: Shane Cormier <Shane1713@gmail.com>
Subject: Charvel So Cal
Shane, there is an issue with the Charvel So Cal. It's got a hump on the high string side from the 1st fret to about the 6th fret and you can't dial it out with the truss rod. The hump is at it's highest point at the 3rd fret and it's on the verge of choking out just playing that note never mind trying to bend it. I can't do anything more with it.

Joe

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Where do I start???

1. Return? What return? You and I have not even had a basic conversation about anything and we have not had the opportunity to come to any mutual agreement or even an understanding about anything.
2. Keep the case??? WTF? Who are you to arbitrarily tell me your sending me a guitar back and your keeping the case and shipping back in a used gig bag you have lying around the house??? This shows little concern for the guitar during transit or me as the seller
3. Why is your tech/friend who did not buy the guitar nor was the person I did business with shipping the guitar back to me?
4. On the subject of Joe, you say your tech an "AVID RIG-TALKER" in your I'm returning the guitar email??? I would hardly call 87 posts “AVID”.
5. I'm getting an email from an unknown third party l who is supposed to be a “TECH” and I am now being notified that the perfect guitar I just bought from Pedro and had at my house for 5 days is now somehow not only broken and unplayable, but is broken BROKEN BEYOND ANY AND ALL REPAIR AND ANY FURTHER TRUSS ROD ADJUSTMENT CANNOT FIX IT EVER???

I was not happy, to me this was questionable several reasons. I called the Joe Tech/Friend expecting to get a repair shop and all I got was a voice-mail “This is Joe Leave a message”. I do not know about you but when a guy says my TECH” that is a strong word like when you hear “Doctor” you assume professional skills and some one who is fully certified and qualified to make these statements and back them up. Especially when you read an email containing frets choking out, cant dial the hump out with the truss-rod, etc. I have been told repeatedly a hump between 1 and 6 can be fixed by any tech wit half a brain. While the guitar did not leave my hands looking like that, it is a straight forward thing and those charvel necks are amazing. This guy needs to take it a real pro and based on the circumstances has been asked to get a second opinion by a real tech who is not his personal friend of 15 years and had real credentials and fender certification. My tech Tom Barkstrom works for "Joe Glaser Guitar" here in Nashville and pretty much is the top shelf of top guitar Luthiers anywhere you can think of. I bought a brand spanking new ibanez RG hardtail to him back in the day when we he worked in south Florida that played bad and I could not dial it in and it had a twist in the neck and this guy in 20 min and that thing playing so good and fixed the twist it was unbelievable. This was a brand new guitar too. There are tons of people who claim to be "techs" because they change strings and do minor setups but are in the pro league at all.

I have tactics I use when I feel things are not right and I was pissed and decided to bust this dude balls hard. The main reaon was I knew what I bought from Pedro and what I shipped this kid.
I called him and ripped him about keeping the case and telling me he is going to throw the guitar in a used gigbag and ship it back to me in that. This in and of itself which is totally wrong and fishy on all levels and put a dent in this guys integrity from the get-go.

I proceeded to ask him asked him about his “tech” and what happened and told him I was totally blown away by everything in the email above, that it made zero sense to me.
Shane quickly defended the email telling me get this “MY TECH WORKED ON THE GUITAR THE ENTIRE DAY AND CANT FIX THE NECK”. My wife of 15 years was standing near and heard this conversation quickly escalate and upon hearing Shane state over the phone to me "his tech worked on the guitar the ENTIRE DAY" I blew up because any good tech should not be working on a neck the entire day period??? This was his exact statement to me over the phone and if Shane says any different he is a stone cold liar period. That single statement that came out of his mouth was resounding in my head for the rest of the day and was the catalyst for my continued busting of his balls.

Anyway I went off and yelled “The entire day???”...WTF?
I was like my tech could figure out if a neck was bad or had issues in 10 min??? WTF an entire day???
Then I said how the hell did you get the guitar over to and in front of a quality tech so fast you just got it???
I asked how could any tech with a bench load of work mess with a neck the entire day???
So this guy (your friend) or your tech is saying THIS GUITAR IS UN REPAIRABLE??? I was like what are his qualifications? What certifications does he have? I specifically asked Ol’ Shane boy is his tech was Fender/Charvel certified to work on the truss rod of a neck and make a judgment call that the neck was completely unrepairable. Many bad pictures entered my head because of what this kid was saying about a tech working all day, truss rod not working, cant to take the back bow out, etc.

To all of the above "CRICKETS"…

Because I now have an email stating a perfect guitar with a straight neck I shipped this guy is totally broke beyond repair I asked him to produce info about this tech and the repair itself.
I asked for the name of the Repair shop where this tech works.
I asked for a copy of a repair order or work order to be photographed or scanned and photographed with smart phone
I asked for a copy of his payment to this tech for services rendered and a written statement that this guitar is unrepairable
"CRICKETS"….

I said dude, I know what I sent you, “a perfectly playing Charvel USA like brand new in a brand new Charvel hard-shell case and you didn't even play it, took it to someone you call a tech who emails me at 11:21 PM that night stating the guitar is unrepairable and you want to keep the case and throw it in a gig bag, send it back to me and you can’t answer a single question or provide proof of where this guys works or anything about his qualifications?

Shane tells me I should just call his tech. I said I already did and got a voice mail and BTW, I didn't sell the guitar to him, I sold it to you and you need to handle this yourself with me.
I asked him repeatedly to take it to another tech for a second opinion because of his statements about his tech working the entire day on a neck honestly made me think the guys not very capable. ( which me now know is very true) Plus I refuse to hear that this guitar is broken beyond repair as it makes no sense at all as I did not ship a broken beyond repiar guitar to Shane , not even close.

Anyway I beat this guy up all day to take it somewhere else for a second opinion and told him I would need the opinion of a real tech, a preferably certified tech.
Thus far CRICKETS.

I called him out on the carpet right and left to get to the bottom of things because from where I was sitting everything was very fishy and was just unbelievable. Then I get this email from Shane and this was the end of the road…

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
“Giles. I have no desire to rip you off nor take your money and the guitar.
The guitar could still be sold to a less discriminating buyer if you want.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I was like RESELL TO A LESS DISCRIMINATING BUYER???
You and your so called tech’s email said THE GUITAR IS UNFIX-ABLE AND YOU NEED A REFUND???
Now you telling me in an email I can resell it to a less discriminating buyer after your tech said he cant fix it???

Any "Less discriminating buyers" reading this thread want to take Shanes offer???

I said ENOUGH and reading that... I’m done bro with you on all levels, first its unfixable and now I can resell it to another less discriminating buyer... This is fishy beyond fishey sounding.

I demanded that he take it to a real tech that I can trust who is fender certified or that he can enjoy your new Charvel "as is". This situation needs to be Vetted IMO by a real pro since I sent the kid a straight guitar that I could have returned to Pedro no questions asked and the fact I didn't and kept the guitar speaks volumes as too the condition of the neck. I know how to sight a guitar neck and set up a guitar like this after z couple decades guys. This thing was not jacked when it left and nothing makes sense.

I contacted Pedro the original owner I got the guitars from and forward him the “bedroom pics” and emails from “Joe-Blow the wanna be tech who says the guitar chant be fixed (but it can if you’re a pro) and Shane. I even grilled him about the history of the guitars and he said that he bought these and barley played them and that they have never been to a tech. He said he never ever thought there were any issues with these guitars when he had them and sold them to me and neither did I or I would have sent them back to Pedro for an easy refund.
Pedro is a stand up guy and because I only had the guitar but 5 days at my house offered to just shut everything down and refund me to avoid all this mess and I could get the guitar back from Shanus and send it back to him.


To be honest that would have been an easy out for me and we would not all be here. But I feel bad because Shane and his personal friend aand everything that went down is very questionable AFAIC at all and everything from them is hinkey to the max. I have been pushing for these clowns to step up and prove this guitar is broken beyond all repair and “CRICKETS”. Now these guys come on this forums after striking out with paypal and are trying to strong arm me with people here… lol

It won’t work and shows the true character of these guys who are supposed to be AVID rig talkers. 87 posts… very avid indeed!

The fact that Shane does not want to get a second opinion and took this thing to a "bedroom tech" buddy is beyond telling. His whole story and cadence stinks to high heaven since the first email.
Shane was/is offered a repair, refund or a new neck from Pedro if he steps up and he won’t. NOT MY PROBLEM ANY MORE. Pedro and I have exchanged several emails and your door is fast closing.
As stated in the beginning of this epistle I’m done with this thread once posted. Keep it going if you all want and feel free in true forum fashion to misinterpret everything I have just said..

BTW those pics of the neck hump have been in front of a pro tech who laughed hard and said that can fixed very easily even if the neck was heated up and humidified in the south Texas heat at the fedex place over the weekend while it was on hold. (this is the "take the high road" on this debacle possible theory)

At this point I have no clue what to believe from these guys because first and foremost I was told from square one by Shane (unbeknownst to his friend) “My tech” (who is not a tech at all IMO)” worked the entire day trying to fix the neck. All I can say is Shane buddy you buried yourself with that statement. I have asked for technical credentials for the friend of yours who says the guitar is broken beyond repair. The story has gone from "he worked the entire day to level a neck" straight to from Shane's mouth to the tech saying in a post in this thread "I never even took it apart because I wouldn't know how to do anything like that" from the techs post in this thread???

I know what I shipped Shane and what Pedro Rodriguez shipped me just a 5 days earlier, a guitar with a straight perfect neck that was not "unrepairable" ...So ya think about that.

You know how to get a hold of me Shane and out of pure respect for this forum I'm not going to continue this publicly on any level, both Pedro and i have been on stand by for a day and a half for you to "step-up" and "CRICKETS" buddy CRICKETS.... until now and this thread.

IMO it shows a lot of sincere cheesyness in light of the facts to come like and start this crap (like i really care anyway...) I'm thinking "thank GOD this clown" paid with paypal gift

BTW I do wonder a little about why so many questions and the photo-OP of the the neck pocket prior to buying the guitar and nothing else? Hmmmmm.....

Here is the pic I took of the guitar and sent to the buyer in regards to the neck pocket fit to accommodate the buyer in any way I could while discussing the transaction over the phone with. I thoroughly answered all his questions and again this situation is beyond belief to me.

"TRANSPARENCY WAS VERY HIGH ON THIS TRANSACTION". I went over the entire guitar with him and myself... Many times I bwill low off buyers because I can tell from their questions (Does it have tooobz?) that they are are just too "JV" and then all you get is problems from someone who is just not experienced enough to know about anything they are buying and I do not have time for that as the headaches are not worth it. As a 49 year old pro gear nut I know who is good for about 30-40k a year in gear deals since about 1997 (that's when I got a real job.. lol) I totally know all about things getting jacked up with sellers/buyers. Never again with forum unknowns...Tom told me he searches post history of anyone who does a buyer inquiry, sound like a good plan to me from now on.

Peace.

I can't speak for Shane or as to what has transpired between Shane and Giles. Shane is on a family vacation and won't be available until later this evening. I do however need to clarify a few things that clearly Giles is entirely wrong about.

Although I do tech for Shane as he is a good friend I no longer do this as a living, I got out in 1998 and got a real job, a great job that pays me many times over what I used to make then. I will however work on a friends guitar on occasion if time permits.

The only missed call I have was from a Florida number ( 954-612-7258) at 6:47 am on Tuesday and no message was left. I'm not in the habit of calling numbers I don't recognize especially at odd hours of the day. If this was you then how the fuck am I supposed to know if you don't leave a message.

I did not work on the guitar for 8 hours. It doesn't even take an hour to restring and set up for Eb. Again, once I saw what was wrong with the neck there was no point to do anything else to it and I informed Shane through an email which has been posted above.

Since the guitar is in my possession while Shane is on vacation I offered to ship it back for him if he had something worked out with the seller. I was told that the seller had made no offer to take it back and was met with accusations that he or I had fucked it up.

I'm not here to fight Shane's battle but only tell my side of the story and that is pretty short and simple. Anyone here can see that the neck on this guitar is fucked. It was fucked when it got here and it's still fucked. Now there is a suggestion that we or I switched necks on it. We can compare photos to prove this if that's what it takes and I'll do that as soon as I get home from work.

So you were a tech for many years? So how in the world would you not notice that big ass hump while even taking off the first string?? I mean seriously....How could you re-string the entire guitar THEN notice that big ass bulge in the neck??

I'm sorry, I dont get it...nor believe it. I'm just a 47 yr old player who has been tinkering on guitars my whole life. I'm certainly not a pro but I havent paid a tech for YEARS beacuse I can set up my own guitars. I mean in all honesty it's very simple and highly overpriced imo (unless you're into re-frets). The second you string up that first low E string and bring it to pitch that sucker wouldve been fretting out like a mother

Oh well, I wasnt gonna take sides in this matter but I'd be lying if I wasnt thinking that Shane swapped necks

just my $.02

 

[sgill72]

Just take the guitar to the qualified tech. I'm sure if it can be fixed, Mosh will handle the issue. You'll have your guitar to play. If it can't Mosh will take it back.

It isn't rocket science.

Mosh, I'd buy something from you. I appreciate the fact your willing to work with the guy on it and gave him options.

 

[Deleted member 21375]

I have to agree with Mosh here. It needs to go to a pro Fender/Charvel certified tech to be checked out. This is just speculation now but maybe the buyer wanted to see if the neck pocket had any finish cracks or not on the side so that he knew enough to be careful when swapping the neck so as not to crack it.

THIS!!!!
This is so incriminating. And the case thing.

So shady. Hey Mosh...I'm gonna go ahead and say I think your in the clear here.
These two guys are trying to rope a dope you.

Looks totally fishy in everyway.

Now the guy is on a family vacation?

So he doesn't have a phone?
He doesn't have internet?

He leaves it for his buddy to come and draw some fire?

Lots of bullshit in this thread , but the neck pocket game and the "I'll take the case" game all smell of a resell attempt by the buyer.

He is gonna get a free neck and a cheap case, turn around and sell it to another buyer he's got lined up.

That's what it looks like now...

Bingo

 

[Joe-TX]

Ok, folks. Giles and I have spoken by phone for and cleared up a lot of the miscommunication and misunderstanding between Shane and Giles. For the time being everything is all good and we are moving forward to come to a resolution for all involved.