This amp still gives the Wizard Hellrazor - and the rest of the high-gain elite - a run for their money

[Simon Dorn]

Prove me wrong. With a Clip. Amp doesn't matter. In the end it's a matter of taste, but who cares?

 

[MetalHeadMike]

My stock '82 JCM800 kicked everything to the curb, everything.

 

[Simon Dorn]

My stock '82 JCM800 kicked everything to the curb, everything.

fact

 

[Simon Dorn]

Well, since no one is posting clip i had to make another one.
Same Settings like in the clip above, but with a different Mic position and a bit of equalizer in addition to a bit of tape presence simulation and a Maximizer on the Master. No equalizer on Guitars and Bass.


I'm waiting...

@Techdeth Check this out.

 

[Simon Dorn]

It can be any Clip from the Web. Feel free to post.

 

[311boogieman]

Well, since no one is posting clip i had to make another one.
Same Settings like in the clip above, but with a different Mic position and a bit of equalizer in addition to a bit of tape presence simulation and a Maximizer on the Master. No equalizer on Guitars and Bass.


I'm waiting...

@Techdeth Check this out.

much preferred

 

[Simon Dorn]

much preferred

Yeah, thanks. I think it turned out good.

 

[Soundstorm]

Have you ever tried to get these kind of tones from a 1987X or 1959?

 

[DanTravis62]

IDK never played a hellrazor.

I mean, I like an 800, its a classic for a reason - but here are three amps I like better for various situations and tones playing metal. The recording quality is pretty rough because I did it really quickly without any post... but same speaker, mic and guitar. I guess most of the time I prefer an 800 for a different style than that.

 

[Racerxrated]

I've had 2 Wizards...a MTL 50, and an MC100. Both were great great amps. But, while I was enjoying the MC100 I nabbed an 83 2203...in a trade...and, shortly after scored a MINT 1972 Supertremolo for 2200 shipped. This was pre Covid. As much as I loved the MC100, I sold it since both the 2203 and the 72 kicked an equal amount of ass. And, the Wizard was worth 2500 at the time vs what I paid for the 800, which was maybe 1200....

You aren't giving up much with a healthy early 80s or late 70s 2203 vs a 100w Wizard. No wrong answer really.
All are killer.

 

[Eazy-ESP]

IDK never played a hellrazor.

I mean, I like an 800, its a classic for a reason - but here are three amps I like better for various situations and tones playing metal. The recording quality is pretty rough because I did it really quickly without any post... but same speaker, mic and guitar. I guess most of the time I prefer an 800 for a different style than that.

And what are they? I definitely preferred the first one.

 

[DanTravis62]

And what are they? I definitely preferred the first one.

larry dino, a diezel VH4, and a block letter 5150

And it would make sense that it sounded the best out of the box, its by far my favorite tone and the tone that I am most used to working with - I could certainly make the VH4 and 5150 sound a million times better with some time and effort though, this is more of an illustration of how different the tones are

 

[japetus]

My Marshall 86 Lead 12 hittin harder than ever

 

[Eazy-ESP]

larry dino, a diezel VH4, and a block letter 5150

And it would make sense that it sounded the best out of the box, its by far my favorite tone and the tone that I am most used to working with - I could certainly make the VH4 and 5150 sound a million times better with some time and effort though, this is more of an illustration of how different the tones are

Dammit. I KNEW that was going to be the answer. Unobtanium.

 

[DanTravis62]

Dammit. I KNEW that was going to be the answer. Unobtanium.

I am pretty sure I could get a really great sound out of a wizard, mgl, ground zero, monomyth, headfirst, or a million other amps too

It's more that I think while 800s can do metal it takes some finagling - and even then it's one specific sound that you can get out of it

Don't get me wrong that's a great sound, I just think it's better suited to hard rock and punk

 

[Eazy-ESP]

I am pretty sure I could get a really great sound out of a wizard, mgl, ground zero, monomyth, headfirst, or a million other amps too

It's more that I think while 800s can do metal it takes some finagling - and even then it's one specific sound that you can get out of it

Don't get me wrong that's a great sound, I just think it's better suited to hard rock and punk

Yeah I know, was half joking. I think that Larry sounded best, but that is with your style and fingers. I’ve FINALLY started to realise demos and other people dialling in an amp doesn’t mean it will sound good for me and my style.

Agree on the 2203s. I have an ‘80 and love it, can get a certain metal sound with a pedal, but it is definitely one sound and I wouldn’t want it for probably 90% of what I consider metal.

 

[DanTravis62]

Yeah I know, was half joking. I think that Larry sounded best, but that is with your style and fingers. I’ve FINALLY started to realise demos and other people dialling in an amp doesn’t mean it will sound good for me and my style.

Agree on the 2203s. I have an ‘80 and love it, can get a certain metal sound with a pedal, but it is definitely one sound and I wouldn’t want it for probably 90% of what I consider metal.

I think one of the biggest mistakes people make about tone is either "hands are 100%" or "hands are 0%" arguments

 

[Eazy-ESP]

I think one of the biggest mistakes people make about tone is either "hands are 100%" or "hands are 0%" arguments

For sure, but even ears. I’ve been going through a King’s Z phase and realised Ty Tabor is going to dial in a certain tone. You could give him and George Lynch the same amp head and you are going to get very different sounds. Plus guitars type, etc.

 

[DanTravis62]

For sure, but even ears. I’ve been going through a King’s Z phase and realised Ty Tabor is going to dial in a certain tone. You could give him and George Lynch the same amp head and you are going to get very different sounds. Plus guitars type, etc.

You could even split that hair further - ive met tons of people who can dial in an amp in the room great, but their ears completely stop working once they are listening on monitors in a studio.

 

[Eazy-ESP]

You could even split that hair further - ive met tons of people who can dial in an amp in the room great, but their ears completely stop working once they are listening on monitors in a studio.

Absolutely. This took me a long time. Now I’ve started to prefer the recorded tones and dialling and buying gear with that in mind. To be honest buying a kemper was a great tool for learning about monitored tones.