This Girl Will Out Shred You!

[PhloridaMan]

I tend to think that peeps that criticize a young player that obviously practices alot, and say things like, "they don't play with feel, etc." normally aren't that good themselves. They have a delusion that just because they are playing slow, and making a funny face, that they have some magical, soulful, deep, feeling that no one else could even come close to understanding.

Being "soulful," or playing with feeling and dynamics, does tend to come with age, but players have to start somewhere. Having good technical chops and dexterity, isn't a bad place to begin. I wish that I wasn't so lazy when I was younger, and spent more time on technique. I think I play with feel, (feel is just as subjective as "tone" IMO) but I don't have near the speed or dexterity of some of the younger players, and I wish I did sometimes.

I say hats off to them, and hopefully they will write some cool music when they get older. To me writing is the most important thing that I look for as a listener.

I never claimed to be any good... I also never said she couldn't play. I just dont find her interesting. There is 0 emotion on her face. It bores me to watch. I like seeing passion in a player. Is that a crime?

No, just kind of overly judgemental considering her age and ability. If she was my daughter, I would be super proud of how good she was. I think we get caught up trying to compare a teenage girl to professional, seasoned guitar players.

Let's face it, you didn't say something like, not interesting to me, but she has skill. You called her a trained monkey with no soul IIRC. A look on someone's face doesn't = soul. FWIW I my post wasn't specifically targeted towards you, otherwise I would have quoted you. Your statement does fall under the basic topic of my post though. Not trying to start a fight, or be a dick. I just think we need to step back now and then and think before we speak. I'm guilty of speaking too soon/loud myself, but I'm working on it.

I love dogging peeps playing, but I think that sort of criticism should be saved up for making fun of adult, professional or semi-pro players. They are much funner to tease IMO.

Fair Enough There's no doubt she's talented, I'm just an over-opinionated MASSHOLE

 

[Badronald]

Nice.

Oh and she had the same look on her face Steve Vai did in the movie.

 

[moronmountain]

I tend to think that peeps that criticize a young player that obviously practices alot, and say things like, "they don't play with feel, etc." normally aren't that good themselves. They have a delusion that just because they are playing slow, and making a funny face, that they have some magical, soulful, deep, feeling that no one else could even come close to understanding.

Being "soulful," or playing with feeling and dynamics, does tend to come with age, but players have to start somewhere. Having good technical chops and dexterity, isn't a bad place to begin. I wish that I wasn't so lazy when I was younger, and spent more time on technique. I think I play with feel, (feel is just as subjective as "tone" IMO) but I don't have near the speed or dexterity of some of the younger players, and I wish I did sometimes.

I say hats off to them, and hopefully they will write some cool music when they get older. To me writing is the most important thing that I look for as a listener.

I never claimed to be any good... I also never said she couldn't play. I just dont find her interesting. There is 0 emotion on her face. It bores me to watch. I like seeing passion in a player. Is that a crime?

No, just kind of overly judgemental considering her age and ability. If she was my daughter, I would be super proud of how good she was. I think we get caught up trying to compare a teenage girl to professional, seasoned guitar players.

Let's face it, you didn't say something like, not interesting to me, but she has skill. You called her a trained monkey with no soul IIRC. A look on someone's face doesn't = soul. FWIW I my post wasn't specifically targeted towards you, otherwise I would have quoted you. Your statement does fall under the basic topic of my post though. Not trying to start a fight, or be a dick. I just think we need to step back now and then and think before we speak. I'm guilty of speaking too soon/loud myself, but I'm working on it.

I love dogging peeps playing, but I think that sort of criticism should be saved up for making fun of adult, professional or semi-pro players. They are much funner to tease IMO.

Fair Enough There's no doubt she's talented, I'm just an over-opinionated MASSHOLE

It's all good! I am totally good with making fun of Vai, and the whole posing, fan blowing his hair back thing FWIW.

 

[Shawn Lutz]

Q: How many guitar players does it take to screw in a light bulb?

A: 6. One to actually screw in the light bulb and 5 to stand around with their arms folded talking about how it sucked and how they could do it better.

SDteve

Saw a new answer to that one. "It takes one guitarist to hold the lightbulb while the whole world evolves around him"

 

[ejecta]

The blank stare on her face reminds me of a trained monkey... Unimpressive to me, sorry... No heart and soul going into that playing...

My thoughts exactly! I don't give a shit what sex they are because while that's impressive technically.... beyond that it's not interesting to me at all.

 

[4406cuda]

I don't think it should make a difference that the player is a female, male, age, hot, chubby, etc.

Close your eyes and enjoy the music, if not, move on.

Warren Haynes is one of my favorite guitarist, love to listen to the emotion in his playing. When I watch a player perform, the only thing I care about is watching how he or she is playing it on the guitar.

 

[Badronald]

Emotion in Eugene's Trick Bag? I hope you people aren't serious......

There are no bends, swing or soul in that piece. It's a series of classically influenced patterns done with a shred guitar flavor.

It's intended to sound awesome and shock the listener with technical difficulty. It does.

Go listen to Billie Holiday if you want to hear soul.

 

[thiswaythatway]

Why is it when a dude is posted playing something shreddy everyone hates it, says they'd rather listen to Billy Gibbons, dime a dozen, stuck in the 80's, etc,etc,etc. But when anyone under 14 or female is posted were supposed to bow down?

I think good playing is good playing, doesn't matter what gender or age you are.

 

[redrol]

How can any guitarist hate that?!!! CROSSROADS RULED!

Vai ruled in that movie too. Love it!

 

[redrol]

Here is another one for you dorks to hate on.

 

[ejecta]

Why is it "hating" or you're "jealous because you can't" when you say you find someones playing unimpressive?

 

[Bob Savage]

Why is it "hating" or you're "jealous because you can't" when you say you find someones playing unimpressive?

You have to admit, there is often a hyper-critical dog pile when clips like that are posted. If you, I or just about anyone else on the forum posted a bid of us doing it the responses would almost certainly be considerably different.

 

[ejecta]

Why is it "hating" or you're "jealous because you can't" when you say you find someones playing unimpressive?

You have to admit, there is often a hyper-critical dog pile when clips like that are posted. If you, I or just about anyone else on the forum posted a bid of us doing it the responses would almost certainly be considerably different.

Don't know Bob.... I just looked back through the thread and seemed me most people were posting positive remarks about the OP's clip. The only dog piling I saw was other people on Phil Jacques for saying he didn't find it that impressive.

I agree with you that if a fellow forum member posted a clip doing the same thing there would probably not be any negative comments. I don't think that has to do with gender or whatever and think that's mostly due to the fact people tend not to be critical to people's face or "forum face".

 

[TrueTone500]

Sounds like a musical sewing machine to me now, but I can see why some would still like that type of thing. I was into this for a short time in the 80's, and even blended some of that with my own style.

 

[Viesczy]

The blank stare on her face reminds me of a trained monkey... Unimpressive to me, sorry... No heart and soul going into that playing...

So if she was aping faces like Joe Cocker it would've meant she was playing with "soul"?

Nicolo's 5th Caprice is devoid emotion as you're ripping through its torrent of notes and its physically demanding challenges?

Lemme guess, you think that this has no emotion either:

Derek

Actually no, she does something other than stare blankly at the fretboard... Don't get all butthurt cause I have an opinion.

I have absolutely zero issue with female players... Have shared the stage with a few in my life. Wish there were more of them honestly... But like was said above... Anyone can learn anything they want... I could learn the same piece if I wanted to devote my time and efforts to it... However I just don't feel that particular music the way I do metal and/or blues... Just personal preference, but you can tell she doesn't feel it the way Eric Clapton or Gary Moore feel a song...

No butt hurt here fwiw.

But how do you "know" she "doesn't feel it" the way that EC or GM feel a song? The hours of put into gettting the passages down, the application of their own style (yes every piece of 'copied' music has the performer's own nuances added to the original piece) to the rehearsed piece, and the look of concentration is a pretty good indication of how much someone feels the music. They'd not learn it if they didn't feel it, right? That blank stare is a face of intensity, alert to the dynamics and interplay of both hands.

Granted a solo piece on a stringed instrument is the hardest piece to experience emotion as w/o the backing the interplay of the chord progression things often feel/seem like an exercise.

Derek

 

[Bob Savage]

Don't know Bob.... I just looked back through the thread and seemed me most people were posting positive remarks about the OP's clip. The only dog piling I saw was other people on Phil Jacques for saying he didn't find it that impressive.

I agree with you that if a fellow forum member posted a clip doing the same thing there would probably not be any negative comments. I don't think that has to do with gender or whatever and think that's mostly due to the fact people tend not to be critical to people's face or "forum face".

I would agree that many past threads of this type have been far more negative, but without even quoting Jacques, this is a good percentage of negative.

might be tough, but anyone can learn anything they want with enough practice. almost anything.

Well...ok she has the skill of playing fast.Youtube is full of those When i check those stuff i want to hear their own creations and not covers and excersices

It really isn't, at least the really "scalar" parts in the first section

I had the tab for this years ago and was able to make a pretty good go of it when I was younger.

This is not meant to detract from her playing, which is awesome and very precise, but its not the hardest piece, and I was never able to play it that well at all.

She has some decent chops and thought she played it fine, a bit cold but she'll warm up with experience. Only knock I have is her tone. This is Eugene's Bag of Tricks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8eymimAV8k

She should spend more time learning to cook and clean

My thoughts exactly! I don't give a shit what sex they are because while that's impressive technically.... beyond that it's not interesting to me at all.

Sounds like a musical sewing machine to me now, but I can see why some would still like that type of thing. I was into this for a short time in the 80's, and even blended some of that with my own style.

 

[Heritage Softail]

She is a good player. She is pretty. She has the guts to put it out there!

I would have killed a few neighbors and sacrificed them to Satan when I was 16 to be hitting that...

 

[crankyrayhanky]

tip of the hat for fine shredding
wag of the finger for DGilmore lectures from non shredders on a shred thread

 

[PhloridaMan]

You're going to have haters and doubters anywhere you go... Quite honestly it's rare for me to dislike something like this... Just didn't impress me. I've honestly never seen a guitarist stare blank faced at a fret board the way she does... That's what turned me off instantly. She can play... Just wish she had more emotion and body language going on. Would make it more engaging for me as the viewer. It's all good. Ya'll are entitled to think what you think as am I. It's all fair game lol

 

[Black Sabbath]

Don't know Bob.... I just looked back through the thread and seemed me most people were posting positive remarks about the OP's clip. The only dog piling I saw was other people on Phil Jacques for saying he didn't find it that impressive.

I agree with you that if a fellow forum member posted a clip doing the same thing there would probably not be any negative comments. I don't think that has to do with gender or whatever and think that's mostly due to the fact people tend not to be critical to people's face or "forum face".

I would agree that many past threads of this type have been far more negative, but without even quoting Jacques, this is a good percentage of negative.

might be tough, but anyone can learn anything they want with enough practice. almost anything.

Well...ok she has the skill of playing fast.Youtube is full of those When i check those stuff i want to hear their own creations and not covers and excersices

It really isn't, at least the really "scalar" parts in the first section

I had the tab for this years ago and was able to make a pretty good go of it when I was younger.

This is not meant to detract from her playing, which is awesome and very precise, but its not the hardest piece, and I was never able to play it that well at all.

She has some decent chops and thought she played it fine, a bit cold but she'll warm up with experience. Only knock I have is her tone. This is Eugene's Bag of Tricks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8eymimAV8k

She should spend more time learning to cook and clean

My thoughts exactly! I don't give a shit what sex they are because while that's impressive technically.... beyond that it's not interesting to me at all.

Sounds like a musical sewing machine to me now, but I can see why some would still like that type of thing. I was into this for a short time in the 80's, and even blended some of that with my own style.

Woo dood; this post of yours just blew my mind. Bob, please don't post this type of thing again. In the future try to be more original. This post of yours was really not very impressive. me.