Unpopular Rig-pinions

[Monkey Man]

You're correct of course; the fundamentals of those notes are way-down-there, hence why we notch, duck or both. Thankfully the harmonics are what our brains use to calculate "virtual" fundamentals.

I guess my point is that you're dragging more work down there by partaking in the "downtuning wars", and you get that, and I get you, so...

... and if it's a really-good German brew, maybe a bit of...

 

[rstites]

Yeah, I wasn't disagreeing with you. It just made me think about what those frequencies actually are. I do agree that guitars stumping all over the bass frequencies aren't ideal.

However, I still love those old Sabbath riffs in C# at the same time. I'm putting together another guitar out of spare parts just to jam around on some detuned frequencies like those.

 

[Gitfiddler]

The term "relic" should be replaced with "poser burst"

LOL, this is a good one. Relic'ed guitars are the goofiest shit ever. They never look natural, and what message is it even trying to send?

Maybe car manufacturers will sell new cars that look beat to hell and jack the price. “Looks like your beater from high school.” New ripped/faded jeans are cool. Can we get a beat-to-hell new car? Silly. Not a fan of the relic guitar or the ridiculous pricing

 

[Monkey Man]

Yeah, I wasn't disagreeing with you. It just made me think about what those frequencies actually are. I do agree that guitars stumping all over the bass frequencies aren't ideal.

Indeed.

However, I still love those old Sabbath riffs in C# at the same time. I'm putting together another guitar out of spare parts just to jam around on some detuned frequencies like those.

Man, you must know your shit if you can slap a guitar together just to jam around a bit.

 

[flatheads_4ever]

Not really my style, but that was nicely done. Great job of recreating an 80's vibe with more modern tones.

Ed

 

[maddnotez]

Moving to 7 strings is like graduating from middle school.

The Peavey 5150 is just as good as many amps twice it's price, it is all in the players ears and hands.

Made is USA does not automatically equal a better product.

Rhythm guitar is more important than lead.

Lower volume and control is better than a wall of speakers.

 

[Monkey Man]

Well, 5 of those rig-pinions are popular with me, brother.

I just don't know about the first one 'cause I've never played a 7-string guitar. 6 is intimidating-enough for this luddite.

 

[maddnotez]

Well, 5 of those rig-pinions are popular with me, brother.

I just don't know about the first one 'cause I've never played a 7-string guitar. 6 is intimidating-enough for this luddite.

I always confuse these threads with post your shit opinions. Idk what is popular with the kids these days.

 

[sleewell2]

i love 7s and i fucking suck at guitar. i probably should try a baritone 6 in the same tunings but for now i am really enjoying 7s. you get a 6 string guitar in standard with an extra string... pretty fun!!!


saw a meme about nickleback tuning lower than dying fetus. doesn't mean shit if your riffs are trash.

 

[Monkey Man]

Well, 5 of those rig-pinions are popular with me, brother.

I just don't know about the first one 'cause I've never played a 7-string guitar. 6 is intimidating-enough for this luddite.

I always confuse these threads with post your shit opinions. Idk what is popular with the kids these days.

Me neither, but 7-stringers seem to be all-the-rage in many circles.

I'm too old a dog to learn new tricks anyway. I've a tough-enough time trying to remember the ones I used to know.

 

[maddnotez]

Well, 5 of those rig-pinions are popular with me, brother.

I just don't know about the first one 'cause I've never played a 7-string guitar. 6 is intimidating-enough for this luddite.

I always confuse these threads with post your shit opinions. Idk what is popular with the kids these days.

Me neither, but 7-stringers seem to be all-the-rage in many circles.

I'm too old a dog to learn new tricks anyway. I've a tough-enough time trying to remember the ones I used to know.

To me it just sounds better. Can get much heavier than a 6 string and.......I think a lot of people over look this part.....It actually does have 6 strings

Mine is in Drop G so it is basically D standard for the top 6 and then the lowest string is in G.

But it just feels right. I started playing in like 1993/1994 - got my first 7 string in 2004-2005 maybe. Used it for a couple of years and went back to 6 strings because I wanted to do a hardcore/thrash crossover thing. Just got back into 7s last year and I can't see myself switching again.

 

[Monkey Man]

Ahh.. so it's like my 5-string basses - just the regular-ol' 4 strings I've been used to all my life, but with the extra low one thrown in for when I think I need it. Well, that's how I've always dealt with the bass thing.

That was what I was picturing, TBH; it was the fact that it's an extra string below the six (not 4!) I never seem to get used to (bass player originally)

 

[SpiderWars]

Tan pants are cool...mmmkay.

 

[Monkey Man]

'Specially if they're leggings, but my faves are black, grey, light blue and white.

 

[CornNutz]

That reminds me. I've been thinking about this for awhile.

You know how music (rock, mostly metal) have gone more and more down-tuned, more bass heavy, kick drums, big bass, blast beats, all that? Like since Van Halen started dropping his E string to D or down tuning a half step? I kid. I kid. He wasn't the first.

Well my Rig-pinion is that this trend has loosely coincided with better speakers, better drivers, better amplification, better recording tools etc. Imagine trying to play Korn on an old stereo from the early 80's or even a boom box. Speakers we use today are so much better and can handle the lower frequencies better. Right? Or am I just making this up?

Was the equipment allowing for lower frequencies or were the lower frequencies pushing equipment to get better?

Initially I think it was the lower frequencies pushing the equipment. Vai tried the 7 string route with a model that never took off within his genre, Korn came up with a clever and massively popular twist on the idea and the boom really started.

Over time, everything has gotten more bass centric, not just metal though that's where you get more of the de-tuning as well. Pop, rap/hip-hop, electronic...more bass than ever. So I think to that extent de-tuned metal has been able to take advantage of the tech and that kind of helps perpetuate it as well.

Though back to the "unpopular opinions" theme...I don't think a lot of the gear trends are necessarily "better" today, but rather far more efficient. Honestly, most modern amps don't wow me, and many recordings to me sound way too sterile with bad eq. But the trade-off being astronomically easier than ever to get stuff recorded/collaborate, or carry much less gear to perform and still get pretty decent tones and much better reliability.

And hey, it wasn't Korn level low, but we listened to those old "de-tuned" Sabbath albums on those old stereos just fine!

You know, interestingly I remember when the original JEM 7 string Ibanez showed up at guitar center. I saw it hanging up on the wall for years, I tried it, (I'm sure a ton of other people did too) I'm pretty sure they never sold one, the one one hanging was the same one for years.

Well the thing, after years went on clearance, it was a really deep discount, IIRC wan't to say it was less than $500. I'd be willing to bet monkey from Korn picked one up for dirt cheep because nobody wanted them, then started experimenting.

 

[CornNutz]

Anyway here's my unpopular rig-pinion: You don't have to have expensive gear to sound good.

I've heard people make really expensive gear sound like shit, and I've heard people make really cheap gear sound really great.

 

[japetus]

The 80’s ruled. Period. If you missed it I’m sorry. There just was no other period like it. Almost everyone was into rock. Every town had a local guitar hero. All the clubs had live music. Every tune had a guitar solo. It was just the best era, no question.

You say that because that was the prime of your life. What if you aren't into rock music, and don't like hanging out with a bunch of guys dressed up like women wearing makeup, all playing the same sounding music, formulaic music. Glamorizing drugs and booze, and pure degeneracy. Oh man every tune had a guitar solo, we all know here that makes it great every time. Personally it all seemed pretty cheap, tacky and degenerate to me.

 

[maddnotez]

The 80’s ruled. Period. If you missed it I’m sorry. There just was no other period like it. Almost everyone was into rock. Every town had a local guitar hero. All the clubs had live music. Every tune had a guitar solo. It was just the best era, no question.

You say that because that was the prime of your life. What if you aren't into rock music, and don't like hanging out with a bunch of guys dressed up like women wearing makeup, all playing the same sounding music, formulaic music. Glamorizing drugs and booze, and pure degeneracy. Oh man every tune had a guitar solo, we all know here that makes it great every time. Personally it all seemed pretty cheap, tacky and degenerate to me.

Shots fired!!!

I have to admit the whole makeup thing to me was ehhhh. However I guess hypocritically the first cassette tape I ever bought I believe was Twisted Sister. I wasn't "into" the whole make up thing but I guess it did have some appeal. I just thought they were pretty awesome because they just weren't gonna take it and wanted to rock.

On the flipside, I love certain black metal bands and most if not all of them paint their faces too which I am still not into but more like kiss and less like miss.

 

[thenine]

The 80’s ruled. Period. If you missed it I’m sorry. There just was no other period like it. Almost everyone was into rock. Every town had a local guitar hero. All the clubs had live music. Every tune had a guitar solo. It was just the best era, no question.

You say that because that was the prime of your life. What if you aren't into rock music, and don't like hanging out with a bunch of guys dressed up like women wearing makeup, all playing the same sounding music, formulaic music. Glamorizing drugs and booze, and pure degeneracy. Oh man every tune had a guitar solo, we all know here that makes it great every time. Personally it all seemed pretty cheap, tacky and degenerate to me.

You are right. It was the prime of life.

I think the rest of your comments are rather incorrect and do not describe the time accurately. Master of Puppets, Somewhere in Time, Mechanical Resonance and Look What the Cat Dragged in were all released in 1986. So not everybody was wearing makeup. Definitely not the same sounding, formulaic music IMO. There was something for everybody. Again - because everybody was into rock music back then.

There was tackiness if you wanted it, or not. Bands in leather and studs, bands in jeans and t-shirts, along with bands in spandex. Something for everybody! Eddie played on a Michael Jackson song!

 

[SpiderWars]

This is an unpopular Rig-pinion thread. All that glam/hair metal is what damn near kilt it!