Stripped Rights
Well-known member
They could get an AR 15 or something and IMO that's bad enough with their mentality.
C
Clig Herdunkachuk
Well-known member
But that is not your call to make.
How do you know they can get an AR? I could easily see a bunch of felons there. As I lke to say “a nexxus of bad decision making”.
Sure they could get one illegally, but that would be true even if you got your dream of an assualt weapons ban.
There are a shit ton of weapons out there on the black market. No law you will pass will have the slightest impact on illegal guns.
And the very idiots you are worried about are precisely the type to be ok with going to an illegal purchase if legal guns are unavailable.
I want legal guns and will grudingly tolerate background checks.
Ben Waylin
Banned
Well-known member
Our system is so fucked up, it's easier to obtain a firearm illegally than it is to do so legally.
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Stripped Rights
Well-known member
And you'd be ok with them owning 1?
C
Clig Herdunkachuk
Well-known member
You have completely missed the point.
Even if you ban all guns it will not take guns out of of the hands of people like this.
Black. Market.
You are so hung up on what you have decided is the “ideal” solution that you completely overlook the fallibilities inherent to your solution.
Stripped Rights
Well-known member
You keep bringing up irrelevant stuff. I'm trying to find out if you'd be ok with those dopes owning ARs and fuckin battleships and shit. Let's just pretend they can afford it and do it legally.
C
Clig Herdunkachuk
Well-known member
Already answered. Yes, if they can pass a background check. Yes. yes. yes. yes.
Doesn’t matter though they can get them regardless. Your wants and whims are ireelevant in fhe face of reality.
You keep putting out irrelevant hypotheticals. “Are you ok with…. Bombers, tanks”. None of it matter because you don’t make the laws.
rsm
Well-known member
Yes. 2A is an inalienable right.
"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson
rsm
Well-known member
What part of yes, 2A and inalienable rights don't you understand?
C
Clig Herdunkachuk
Well-known member
The 2nd in all of its glory
Pretty straight forward. It explicitly grants the right to the people. This has been affirmed by the US Supreme Court. Also “shall not” is very strong and proscriptive language when used in legislation.
Again the “well regulated” has been interpretted by the courts and that interpretation is the law of the land.
You disagree. Your opinion does not matter.
rsm
Well-known member
"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few public officials." - George Mason
Stripped Rights
Well-known member
Saw this recently.
rsm
Well-known member
not hung up on anything except our inalienable rights that you're so willing to throw away and deny.Well if you're so hung up on that you can't rightfully exclude felons and crazies either right?
if you served your time as required and are free, you're Constitutional rights should be restored.
rsm
Well-known member
big fonts, still wrong
Monkey Man
Super Moderator
For many years now this has been my position.
Didn't those kids who perpetrated Columbine break 19 gun laws? Anyone think 20 or more would've made any difference?
rsm
Well-known member
Try to read with comprehension, it helps:
"Well-regulated" as understood by our Founding Fathers meant that an adult male citizen was expected to be knowledgeable and capable in the care and use of their weapons. If you weren't well-regulated, i.e., didn't know how to care for and use your weapons you are of no use to the militia or anyone else.
Every adult male citizen had the freedom and responsibility to "keep and bear arms", that is to own and use arms, and to be well-regulated with their arms.
Every adult male citizen was expected to be the militia, owning, using, caring for their own weapons. This is exactly what the citizens did in Lexington and Concord, the Minutemen assembled in minutes, and confronted a British force on their way from Boston to arrest patriot leaders and confiscate munitions from the colonists.
The idea that only people with knowledge, training and understanding should "keep and bear arms" is consistent with the Founding Fathers because it was expected of every adult male citizen to be "well regulated" - which at the time meant competent with care and use of one's arms and armament.
If you were not "well regulated" you could not be counted as reliable and valuable to the militia - every adult male citizen = the militia. Imagine a platoon of soldiers in the army who did not know how to use or care for their weapons?
That is the original freedom and responsibility intended by the Founding Fathers when they wrote the 2A. If you are going to have the freedom to keep and bear arms as a citizen (the militia) you are responsible for being well-regulated (knowing how to use and care for your arms and armament).
W
WEF Chairman
Banned
Well-known member
In the original English:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
What’s the subject of the sentence?
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
What’s the subject of the sentence?
rsm
Well-known member
"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few public officials." - George Mason
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