Alberta votes to stay in Canada

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You're mistaken here. First of all neither Trudeau or Carney threatened US sovereignty. It would have laughable. And we don't think that way. Trump's attack on Canada via tariffs had an immediate and severe impact on the election that followed. The Liberal party went from being eliminated as an official party (not exaggerating) to winning the election when the Conservative leader was seen as kowtowing to Trump. It was a resounding rejection of far right policies. Resounding. Shocking really.
Again though, you have people there, and not just a tiny percent, who no longer wish to be a part of Canada. If you made the same argument about the US and progressives (and even some people on the right who are dissatisfied with Trump) I would agree with you, because it's just how things are now. There are a lot of people extremely dissatisfied with Canada and the US on both sides.

I've voted Conservative all my life. Most of you here see me as a pink pussy hat wearing commie liberal bagel eater but by Canadian standards I'm right leaning. In the last election I actually voted for Carney. Ya, I was surprised too.
I think your conservative is different from my conservative. Regardless, my appreciation for a given person doesn't hinge on their politics or religion at all.

As to the 25% of Albertans who voted that way, remember, it was a referendum that asked IF we should have a binding referendum on separation, NOT a referendum ON separation. A good number of the 25% were people who wanted to "send a message" but would never actually want to leave. The others, well, we have some stupid, and some uninformed, and some gullible people here too.
I would argue that you're speculating here. Nobody really knows how many Canadians just wanted to "send a message" vs those who actually want out. After that ugly incident with the truckers a few years ago it would seem like a fair share of those 25% are quite serious about leaving.
 
Your government can place certain limits on freedom of speech. You also don't have an explicit guarantee of gun rights. Your use of force laws are also more tightly governed. Judgement by a jury of my peers in a civil lawsuit vs a judge being the arbiter in Canada. As a witness, I can refuse to answer questions in a courtroom under the 5th amendment, as a witness you can be compelled to testify. We have better protections from evidence gained during an illegal search whereas in Canada evidence gained thereby could potentially be used against you. My government cannot take my property without just compensation whereas your government lacks a property rights clause.

Thanks for asking, I just learned how deficient your rights are in comparison, beyond the usual guns and freedom of speech issues I was already familiar with. Would you like me to name some more?
Lol, those are all bullshit man. But thanks for spending the time.
 
Your government can place certain limits on freedom of speech. You also don't have an explicit guarantee of gun rights. Your use of force laws are also more tightly governed. Judgement by a jury of my peers in a civil lawsuit vs a judge being the arbiter in Canada. As a witness, I can refuse to answer questions in a courtroom under the 5th amendment, as a witness you can be compelled to testify. We have better protections from evidence gained during an illegal search whereas in Canada evidence gained thereby could potentially be used against you. My government cannot take my property without just compensation whereas your government lacks a property rights clause.

Thanks for asking, I just learned how deficient your rights are in comparison, beyond the usual guns and freedom of speech issues I was already familiar with. Would you like me to name some more?
You're cherry-picking specific constitutional protections and pretending they represent freedom as a whole. Some of your points are valid, but others are misleading.

Canada guarantees freedom of expression under its Charter, although reasonable limits are permitted. The US also restricts certain forms of speech. Canada has jury trials in civil cases, although their availability varies by province and type of case. Canadians also have protections against self-incrimination, unreasonable searches and seizures, and government expropriation without compensation, although the legal frameworks differ.

You're right that American constitutional protections for firearms, property rights, and some forms of speech are stronger. But stronger protections in a few categories don't automatically make a country freer overall.

Canadians have freedoms Americans don't consistently enjoy, including nationwide legal access to abortion, federally legal cannabis, and more uniform protections against discrimination. And unlike Americans, Canadians don't face the same risk of financial ruin simply because they need medically necessary hospital care.

Here's the interesting part: the Human Freedom Index, published by the libertarian Cato Institute and Canada's Fraser Institute, ranks Canada 12th and the United States 15th in its 2025 edition. Freedom House also ranks Canada considerably higher for political rights and civil liberties.

So yes, you can name more individual rights where American law offers stronger protections. I can name others where Canada does. But if your argument is that Americans are objectively freer overall, the evidence doesn't support that conclusion.
 
Again though, you have people there, and not just a tiny percent, who no longer wish to be a part of Canada. If you made the same argument about the US and progressives (and even some people on the right who are dissatisfied with Trump) I would agree with you, because it's just how things are now. There are a lot of people extremely dissatisfied with Canada and the US on both sides.


I think your conservative is different from my conservative. Regardless, my appreciation for a given person doesn't hinge on their politics or religion at all.


I would argue that you're speculating here. Nobody really knows how many Canadians just wanted to "send a message" vs those who actually want out. After that ugly incident with the truckers a few years ago it would seem like a fair share of those 25% are quite serious about leaving.
There was no ugly incident with any truckers.
 
Ah, yes, they certainly were ugly.
Regardless of what actually took place, it gave people outside your nation the idea that it is no longer the beacon of freedom that you seem you think it is. You know, kind of like how you perceive the USA under Trump. :LOL:

Earth sucks.:LOL:
 
Regardless of what actually took place, it gave people outside your nation the idea that it is no longer the beacon of freedom that you seem you think it is. You know, kind of like how you perceive the USA under Trump. :LOL:

Earth sucks.:LOL:
Yes, events are often misrepresented by the right wing propagandists to push their agenda.
 
The issue is you let your rulers tell you what guns you can have.
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My wife worked in the US for a few years. I spent exactly half of my time THERE during those years.

I cannot count the number of times I have traveled through the US.

It is unfortunate that the politics are what they are, because in general, we really are great neighbour's and friends to each other.
I was absolutely not referring to you, 67mike.

And that happens to you often? You wind up in shootouts?
The nation with no guns is lecturing us yet again.
 
Is a nuke a gun?

Seriously bro, that tired old anti-gun argument doesn't change the language of the 2A nor authorize the government to infringe on my rights.
There are plenty of guns you can't have. So, you also let your rulers tell you what guns you can have.
 
There are plenty of guns you can't have. So, you also let your rulers tell you what guns you can have.
I went down this path before with these guys.

They plug their ears and yell "nah nah nah nah nah nah, muh secund amendmunt bro" Lol.

I lived in LA county. I had to jump thru as many hoops to buy a handgun as I had to here.
 
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