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[DanTravis62]

You and others probably don't want to hear this but you can push back on the stupidity the most by becoming an Orthodox Christian and engaging in the sacraments and an aggressive prayer rule.

I have no issues with your religiosity brother, but no, I'm not religious nor have I any desire to be

The "jesus meek and mild" version of Christianity is literally what got us here so I don't want to hear it

 

[VonBonfire]

I have no issues with your religiosity brother, but no, I'm not religious nor have I any desire to be

The "jesus meek and mild" version of Christianity is literally what got us here so I don't want to hear it

Only 30% of US citizens even attend church regularly. I could just as easily make the argument that people who rejected Christ have lead this country to the state it's in.

 

[DanTravis62]

Only 30% of US citizens even attend church regularly. I could just as easily make the argument that people who rejected Christ have lead this country to the state it's in.

But you would be missing the forest for the trees, because vatican II and WASP moral panic, cucking, and witch hunt syndrome is exactly how the "christ rejecters" got their foot in the door to get them to reject JC in the first place.

Have you ever read "Unqualified Reservations" before? None of this is new. Literally every single "woke" issue is intrinsically a part of Christian culture and tradition that has been co-opted by the secular left. Every single one. Tolerance, controlling speech, moral panics, all of it.

And it's all happened in the past, too - how do you think prohibition happened? Woke. How do you think eugenics and planned parenthood happened? Woke. It just wasn't called woke then - it was called WASP, because it's inherent to white christian culture to cuck to feminism, cuck to "tolerance," cuck to your country being invaded by foreigners with a stiff upper lip.

 

[VonBonfire]

But you would be missing the forest for the trees, because vatican II and WASP moral panic, cucking, and witch hunt syndrome is exactly how the "christ rejecters" got their foot in the door to get them to reject JC in the first place.

Have you ever read "Unqualified Reservations" before? None of this is new. Literally every single "woke" issue is intrinsically a part of Christian culture and tradition that has been co-opted by the secular left. Every single one. Tolerance, controlling speech, moral panics, all of it.

And it's all happened in the past, too - how do you think prohibition happened? Woke. How do you think eugenics and planned parenthood happened? Woke. It just wasn't called woke then - it was called WASP, because it's inherent to white christian culture to cuck to feminism, cuck to "tolerance," cuck to your country being invaded by foreigners with a stiff upper lip.

Well stated. By and large, I can't disagree with you on what you are saying here. It's very insightful and shows you haven't just discarded the idea as something that opposed a self made moral code of your own out of convenience. But it is also why I suggested Eastern Orthodoxy, because in comparison to everything you just mentioned it stands in opposition to it, because it is anti-innovation i.e innovation meaning cucking and folding to leftoid nonsense with bad liberal theology. In essence I am talking about the original, ancient Christianity, which more or less functions as a different religion than the type we as westerners are familiar with.

 

[harddriver]

Ouchies

 

[DanTravis62]

Well stated. By and large, I can't disagree with you on what you are saying here. It's very insightful and shows you haven't just discarded the idea as something that opposed a self made moral code of your own out of convenience. But it is also why I suggested Eastern Orthodoxy, because in comparison to everything you just mentioned it stands in opposition to it, because it is anti-innovation i.e innovation meaning cucking and folding to leftoid nonsense with bad liberal theology. In essence I am talking about the original, ancient Christianity, which more or less functions as a different religion than the type we as westerners are familiar with.

I have lots of eastern orthodox friends, so I'm very familiar.

But i'm just not a believer man, I would be lying to you and god and everyone else if I converted or some shit

I'm what used to be called a "Tragic" atheist back in the day

I see christianity as useful and necessary for civilization, and clearly it works as far as a moral code and social system

I even love the pageantry and aesthetics of christianity

It's the moral framework and the vehicle for the most prosperity and human flourishing that's ever existed

But it also feels silly and like LARPing to me, and I am just one of those people that will never get to where you are

 

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I have no issues with your religiosity brother, but no, I'm not religious nor have I any desire to be

The "jesus meek and mild" version of Christianity is literally what got us here so I don't want to hear it

Christianity itself should not be faulted because its followers have a tendency to twist scripture. Even people who do not believe in Christianity will cherry pick verses, like Jesus would totally be ok with mass migration. Jesus never said let your country be invaded at a mass scale by foreigners who will take advantage of your nation and in many cases commit absolutely heinous crimes lol.

 

[DanTravis62]

Christianity itself should not be faulted because its followers have a tendency to twist scripture. Even people who do not believe in Christianity will cherry pick verses, like Jesus would totally be ok with mass migration. Jesus never said let your country be invaded at a mass scale by foreigners who will take advantage of your nation and in many cases commit absolutely heinous crimes lol.

Yeah i'm not faulting christianity as an idea or something, I'm saying that there's a mind virus inherent in the american flavor of christianity that makes it uniquely susceptible to this type of marxist chicanery

 

[VonBonfire]

I have lots of eastern orthodox friends, so I'm very familiar.

But i'm just not a believer man, I would be lying to you and god and everyone else if I converted or some shit

I'm what used to be called a "Tragic" atheist back in the day

I see christianity as useful and necessary for civilization, and clearly it works as far as a moral code and social system

I even love the pageantry and aesthetics of christianity

It's the moral framework and the vehicle for the most prosperity and human flourishing that's ever existed

But it also feels silly and like LARPing to me, and I am just one of those people that will never get to where you are

I appreciate your honesty and can't really fault you for saying as much. Perhaps in the Lord's time!

Yeah i'm not faulting christianity as an idea or something, I'm saying that there's a mind virus inherent in the american flavor of christianity that makes it uniquely susceptible to this type of marxist chicanery

It's susceptible, because it was heresy at it's inception, and the logical conclusion of heresy is what you are seeing today. Anything goes. Woke mind virus. Don't like what your church teaches? Start your own! No humility, only pride, which is at the root of many sins and the one that caused Lucifer to be cast from heaven.

 

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Yeah i'm not faulting christianity as an idea or something, I'm saying that there's a mind virus inherent in the american flavor of christianity that makes it uniquely susceptible to this type of marxist chicanery

Yeah, I get that and you’d definitely get no argument from me. I’ve been saying it and I really hate to say it, but we are at a point where Christianity has become more of a mockery now than any other point in history. Episcopal and Lutheran, and even some Catholic Churches have been absolutely infiltrated and have adopted Marxist bull crap. Those who haven’t, and I feel bad for saying this too, have become something that is borderline a death cult.

I mean my gf and her mom are firm believers in the rapture and they think bombing Iran is part of some end times prophecy, therefore bombing Iran is justifiable to bring about said rapture.

 

[DanTravis62]

Yeah, I get that and you’d definitely get no argument from me. I’ve been saying it and I really hate to say it, but we are at a point where Christianity has become more of a mockery now than any other point in history. Episcopal and Lutheran, and even some Catholic Churches have been absolutely infiltrated and have adopted Marxist bull crap. Those who haven’t, and I feel bad for saying this too, have become something that is borderline a death cult.

I mean my gf and her mom are firm believers in the rapture and they think bombing Iran is part of some end times prophecy, therefore bombing Iran is justifiable to bring about said rapture.

Well, that certainly backs up your "Death cult" idea JFC - that's terrifying that even the "good" americans believe shit like that

It's susceptible, because it was heresy at it's inception, and the logical conclusion of heresy is what you are seeing today. Anything goes. Woke mind virus. Don't like what your church teaches? Start your own! No humility, only pride, which is at the root of many sins and the one that caused Lucifer to be cast from heaven.

Yes, from your perspective I can see how it would be heresy

But from my perspective it's something even worse.... weak. Ineffectual. Cucked. Susceptible to moral manipulation because of obsession with shame, shaming tactics, and feminized interpretations of the moral code.

The Pilgrims were the first cucks. It's funny because looking back, watch how the patterns for moral panics are exactly the same and repeat themselves throughout history.

 

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Well, that certainly backs up your "Death cult" idea JFC - that's terrifying that even the "good" americans believe shit like that

Yeah, it’s actually quite upsetting. They are also self proclaimed zionists and fully support Israel in what they are doing in Palestine and Lebanon, even knowing that I am Palestinian and Lebanese in origin.

They attend a messianic Jewish (Jews for Jesus) congregation, which is heavily pro Israel. I’ve been to their church on multiple occasions. They do all the Jewish traditions such as Passover and celebrating hannukah, but with Christ thrown in. I typically always do the Passover events, as they need a man to head the table. Last time I did that, April 1st of this year, is when they were justifying bombing Iran. There was also a friend of theirs who attended. That guy told me he fully supports nuking Iran. Then he looked at me and said “no offense to you.”

lol

 

[VonBonfire]

Well, that certainly backs up your "Death cult" idea JFC - that's terrifying that even the "good" americans believe shit like that

I'm not sure if you realize how far gone some of the protestant, even mainline protestants, have gone with this stuff. I saw the evangelicals go for the big churches, sound systems, and money first hand in the late 80's and very early 90's. It was a real shame, but until recently I wasn't made aware of how extreme some of the rank and file believers have gotten with the crazy talk like that. It's like they have become insane in a way.

Yes, from your perspective I can see how it would be heresy

But from my perspective it's something even worse.... weak. Ineffectual. Cucked. Susceptible to moral manipulation because of obsession with shame, shaming tactics, and feminized interpretations of the moral code.

All those things are the fruits of heresy.

The Pilgrims were the first cucks. It's funny because looking back, watch how the patterns for moral panics are exactly the same and repeat themselves throughout history.

It can be traced back historically to Rome's break with orthodoxy (via theological innovations i.e bad) and then luther's break from rome. Now there are 250+ denominations. It starts small.

 

[DanTravis62]

Yeah, it’s actually quite upsetting. They are also self proclaimed zionists and fully support Israel in what they are doing in Palestine and Lebanon, even knowing that I am Palestinian and Lebanese in origin.

They attend a messianic Jewish (Jews for Jesus) congregation, which is heavily pro Israel. I’ve been to their church on multiple occasions. They do all the Jewish traditions such as Passover and celebrating hannukah, but with Christ thrown in. I typically always do the Passover events, as they need a man to head the table. Last time I did that, April 1st of this year, is when they were justifying bombing Iran. There was also a friend of theirs who attended. That guy told me he fully supports nuking Iran. Then he looked at me and said “no offense to you.”

lol

My girlfriend is lebanese as well. her family are full on hezbollah supporters lol

That's absolutely insane man

Zionism is has infected every level of christianity in america and it's honestly terrifying

I honestly don't think the iran thing is a good idea for trump, but I'd much rather have him in office doing that than some insane shitlib destroying western civilization brick by brick

 

[VonBonfire]

Yeah, it’s actually quite upsetting. They are also self proclaimed zionists and fully support Israel in what they are doing in Palestine and Lebanon, even knowing that I am Palestinian and Lebanese in origin.

They attend a messianic Jewish (Jews for Jesus) congregation, which is heavily pro Israel. I’ve been to their church on multiple occasions. They do all the Jewish traditions such as Passover and celebrating hannukah, but with Christ thrown in. I typically always do the Passover events, as they need a man to head the table. Last time I did that, April 1st of this year, is when they were justifying bombing Iran. There was also a friend of theirs who attended. That guy told me he fully supports nuking Iran. Then he looked at me and said “no offense to you.”

lol

I used to attend a Messianic Synagogue decades ago in my search for the truth. I learned a lot, but I learned even more when the rabbit absconded into rabbinical judaism and came to completely deny Christ. It was actually unreal to see and quite sad in a way.

 

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I'm not sure if you realize how far gone some of the protestant, even mainline protestants, have gone with this stuff. I saw the evangelicals go for the big churches, sound systems, and money first hand in the late 80's and very early 90's. It was a real shame, but until recently I wasn't made aware of how extreme some of the rank and file believers have gotten with the crazy talk like that. It's like they have become insane in a way.


All those things are the fruits of heresy.


It can be traced back historically to Rome's break with orthodoxy (via theological innovations i.e bad) and then luther's break from rome. Now there are 250+ denominations. It starts small.

I’ve got an orthodox Bible that explains the whole split which is interesting.

When I went to the ACTS retreat for my friends Catholic Church, they had told us not to speak about the retreat. However, there are a couple things that I always felt I needed to speak about.

One. There was absolutely no Bible study. I had brought my orthodox Bible with me and they actually told me to put it away. Was bothered by that.

The second thing is that this particular Catholic church is on the woke side of things. There were a few homosexuals at the retreat, one who actually spoke about his husband during one of his speeches which garnered tons of applause. That just weirded me out.

 

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My girlfriend is lebanese as well. her family are full on hezbollah supporters lol

That's absolutely insane man

Zionism is has infected every level of christianity in america and it's honestly terrifying

I honestly don't think the iran thing is a good idea for trump, but I'd much rather have him in office doing that than some insane shitlib destroying western civilization brick by brick

I actually do not support hezbollah in Lebanon nor Hamas in Palestine. They are Islamist groups, and I forever fault Islam for making the Middle East what it is. Personally I think Islam should be relegated to Arabia. Islam tries to erase the past of a people. Arabization is the nail in the coffin. Most Arabized Muslims quite literally believe they’ve been Arab and muslim since the beginning of time lol.

The Iran war would have happened even with a democrat president. I don’t think it was really avoidable.

 

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I used to attend a Messianic Synagogue decades ago in my search for the truth. I learned a lot, but I learned even more when the rabbit absconded into rabbinical judaism and came to completely deny Christ. It was actually unreal to see and quite sad in a way.

That’s actually really sad… my girlfriend’s congregation is mostly people who aren’t even ethnically Jewish. Like 99% of them lol. I had always found that strange. Her rabbi was also imprisoned in Israel at one point for preaching the gospel. So I’m not sure why he’s so pro Israel even after being subjected to imprisonment….

 

[VonBonfire]

One. There was absolutely no Bible study. I had brought my orthodox Bible with me and they actually told me to put it away. Was bothered by that.

Wow. I probably would've bounced based on that. I probably have too much pride for my own good though.

The second thing is that this particular Catholic church is on the woke side of things. There were a few homosexuals at the retreat, one who actually spoke about his husband during one of his speeches which garnered tons of applause. That just weirded me out.

That's messed up too. Orthodoxy will likely accept someone struggling with homosexuality but not one who admits to be actively practicing it.

That’s actually really sad… my girlfriend’s congregation is mostly people who aren’t even ethnically Jewish. Like 99% of them lol. I had always found that strange. Her rabbi was also imprisoned in Israel at one point for preaching the gospel. So I’m not sure why he’s so pro Israel even after being subjected to imprisonment….

Yeah it's weird. I have read and re-read the Torah many times and it's crystal clear as a nation they violated the terms of the agreement laid out in Deuteronomy and suffered the curse therein. And there is no temple so not all 613 commandments can be followed. I could go into detail about it more but not sure it would really benefit either of us, or anyone else I guess.

 

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Wow. I probably would've bounced based on that. I probably have too much pride for my own good though.


That's messed up too. Orthodoxy will likely accept someone struggling with homosexuality but not one who admits to be actively practicing it.


Yeah it's weird. I have read and re-read the Torah many times and it's crystal clear as a nation they violated the terms of the agreement laid out in Deuteronomy and suffered the curse therein. And there is no temple so not all 613 commandments can be followed. I could go into detail about it more but not sure it would really benefit either of us, or anyone else I guess.

I had gotten a ride there with multiple people so I wouldn’t have been able to bounce even if I wanted to lol. I wasn’t sure if they were bothered with the Bible being an orthodox bible, but we didn’t read anything from the bible at any point during the retreat so

At the end of the day, I had a pretty good experience at the retreat. I was actually really depressed when I first got there. Was kind of a last minute decision for me to go, and I’m not all that used to being away from home for so long. However, I did confession and received the priest’s blessing. My mood changed completely for the better. Really was a blessing. I ended up really enjoying the time there, met some truly great people.

Well, although my gf and I disagree on a lot, she is a great woman. She is a very devout Christian and I love her for that. Last disagreement we had was about her saying “Yeshua.” That had always bothered me. I think she finally sees my point at least in that regard lol.