SgtThump
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Oh gotcha. I read an "article" recently that said that was the demand. It was probably a fake article. lol
Rackman
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The demands listed were to halt production, recall product, and destroy it. Obviously Suhr (or anyone else) can't do any of that without going under. Which is why I'm thinking this is headed to litigation in the EU.
Of course what might be able to be negotiated is a different question.
SgtThump
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The~Kid
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Rackman
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It seems to say the same thing more or less I did:
But I suspect Fender is not liking the bad PR they got out of this and is trying to find a way to partially walk it back, or at least soften how it appears.
But I suspect Fender is not liking the bad PR they got out of this and is trying to find a way to partially walk it back, or at least soften how it appears.
The~Kid
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From the Article...... Not sure who is against common sense but this doesnt seem like a Big deal if You ask me..... There shouldnt be pirated copies or fakes 
Why are the "Hip" folks getting upset......
Why are the "Hip" folks getting upset......
Rackman
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A Suhr isn't a pirated copy or a fake. They are very clearly marked as to who produced them. But they still got a letter.
You seem very confused here.
You seem very confused here.
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VonBonfire
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wE mUsS cAnCeL fEnDeRFrom the Article...... Not sure who is against common sense but this doesnt seem like a Big deal if You ask me..... There shouldnt be pirated copies or fakes
Why are the "Hip" folks getting upset......
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Fiesta Red
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So was EVH's Frankie, Clapton's Blackie ... those are the two that I can think of immediately. Lots of great guitars are partsocasters.
Love it!
DanTravis62
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Can we hate both influencers AND fender?
Is that allowed?
Suhr and Tom Anderson make better guitars than fender has in years - I would be less worried about the ramifications for this if fender hadnt JUST offshored guitar manufacturing to Indonesia to make cheap unreliable bullshit for their "standard" line or whatever it is called.
In fact, this is the reason why I almost never buy a straight fender strat, but build them from parts.
I trust myself to make a partscaster far more than I trust Starwarsname Biki Bonki to assemble it from bullshit chinesium bridges green ass wood.
I imagine fender doesn't like the PR they're getting from this.
Is that allowed?
Suhr and Tom Anderson make better guitars than fender has in years - I would be less worried about the ramifications for this if fender hadnt JUST offshored guitar manufacturing to Indonesia to make cheap unreliable bullshit for their "standard" line or whatever it is called.
In fact, this is the reason why I almost never buy a straight fender strat, but build them from parts.
I trust myself to make a partscaster far more than I trust Starwarsname Biki Bonki to assemble it from bullshit chinesium bridges green ass wood.
I imagine fender doesn't like the PR they're getting from this.
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VonBonfire
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Step into the future of playability. Step into the future with Tom Anderson
by Fender Guitars.
Fiesta Red
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If these companies have a bottom line that's negatively affected by all of this, who do you think will eventually pay the cost?
The customer
DanTravis62
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Step into the future of playability. Step into the future with Tom Anderson
If fender was smart they would have literally bought out suhr and TA decades ago
Rackman
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This is the key from my perspective. Until very recently Fender was totally unable to compete with Suhr and Anderson on playability. Now with some of the Ultra models with SS frets the picture is more mixed. But overall Fender struggles to compete.
I do not want them putting their superior competition out of business because of some damn litigation in Germany.
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Rackman
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Bought them out an put one of them in charge of the shop.
But Fender's more interested in moving oversees, and moving models down the labor cost ladder from e.g. Mexico to Indonesia then they are in doing quality US models.
That's why we need Suhr and Anderson to keep them honest, and why all this is shit news.
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VonBonfire
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Valley Arts super strats by Fender
super strats by Fender
scottosan
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In Japan there is no trademark enforcement for shapes. They assume people can read a logo.
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VonBonfire
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TheGreatGreen
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"Influencers" are insignificant in this discussion. The word itself is a misnomer. Influencers do not "influence," they just reflect the sentiment of the overall market they're in. They're more like lighting rods. What they are doing here is consolidating the market's overwhelmingly unified collective opinion about what Fender is doing into tangible sentiments like "fuck Fender, these litigation moves are making the world a shittier place for guitar players EVERYWHERE, not just in Europe, and and I won't give them a single dime as long as things stay this way." People arrived at that opinion on their own. The influencers are just broadcasting it.
Funny you mention that. TA has declined all offers for buyout, of which there have been quite a few. He'd also make a lot more money even if he didn't sell out, but just expand, and start letting his quality slip for extra volume. He refuses to do that though, he has intentionally kept his company small and focused because he values building a world class guitar. Same basic story with Suhr.
The crazy thing is that both of those guys say they should not need to exist, but the market has a place for them because Fender will not / cannot make a guitar at that quality with the breadth of custom options Tom and John provide. Case in point, for fucking years I waited for Fender to make the following guitar: strat, silver color, dark board, hardtail, humbucker in the bridge. That's it. I wasn't asking the world. And Fender just would not fucking do it. They still have not done it. I must have waited like 5 years. Every single year I watched their features stay the same, and their colors get shittier. Oh you want Lake Placid Blue? Inca Silver? Go fuck yourself. Those colors are locked in the "vault" so our favorite demographic, 80+ years old dudes who already have vintage Fenders in those colors, who like that the the ladder has been pulled up behind them, will see their guitars increase in value and like us more, so they'll buy more of our stuff. As for you? Here have a Cumburst finish instead, wood grain inside, white burst outside. Amazing. Oh what, you don't love that? How about Electric Purple like you'd see on a 90's El Camino? No? Ok fine how about you just pick from 18 different shades of beige, idiot.
So finally I threw my hands up and went to a Tom Anderson dealer because I knew they made custom guitars, researched all that stuff, and had a blast speccing out the s-style guitar I've always wanted. It sucked paying for it, but wouldn't you know it, it's exactly what I wanted in my head and now I'm good for hardtail strats from here on out. And after playing this thing I realize it was a good move because Fender couldn't have made a guitar this good even if they wanted to.
But instead of trying to do something cool and respectable, filling a gap in the market, Fender would rather just use the law as a weapon to push out competitors so they can stay lazy. That is the reason these other companies exist, because they give the market everything it wants that Fender flat out refuses to provide. The world will be a worse place for guitar players if Fender gets their way.
Funny you mention that. TA has declined all offers for buyout, of which there have been quite a few. He'd also make a lot more money even if he didn't sell out, but just expand, and start letting his quality slip for extra volume. He refuses to do that though, he has intentionally kept his company small and focused because he values building a world class guitar. Same basic story with Suhr.
The crazy thing is that both of those guys say they should not need to exist, but the market has a place for them because Fender will not / cannot make a guitar at that quality with the breadth of custom options Tom and John provide. Case in point, for fucking years I waited for Fender to make the following guitar: strat, silver color, dark board, hardtail, humbucker in the bridge. That's it. I wasn't asking the world. And Fender just would not fucking do it. They still have not done it. I must have waited like 5 years. Every single year I watched their features stay the same, and their colors get shittier. Oh you want Lake Placid Blue? Inca Silver? Go fuck yourself. Those colors are locked in the "vault" so our favorite demographic, 80+ years old dudes who already have vintage Fenders in those colors, who like that the the ladder has been pulled up behind them, will see their guitars increase in value and like us more, so they'll buy more of our stuff. As for you? Here have a Cumburst finish instead, wood grain inside, white burst outside. Amazing. Oh what, you don't love that? How about Electric Purple like you'd see on a 90's El Camino? No? Ok fine how about you just pick from 18 different shades of beige, idiot.
So finally I threw my hands up and went to a Tom Anderson dealer because I knew they made custom guitars, researched all that stuff, and had a blast speccing out the s-style guitar I've always wanted. It sucked paying for it, but wouldn't you know it, it's exactly what I wanted in my head and now I'm good for hardtail strats from here on out. And after playing this thing I realize it was a good move because Fender couldn't have made a guitar this good even if they wanted to.
But instead of trying to do something cool and respectable, filling a gap in the market, Fender would rather just use the law as a weapon to push out competitors so they can stay lazy. That is the reason these other companies exist, because they give the market everything it wants that Fender flat out refuses to provide. The world will be a worse place for guitar players if Fender gets their way.
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DanTravis62
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Yep completely agree. Suhr/TA/etc are what's forced Fender to keep up.
Which they've done a little bit, but it definitely hasn't trickled down into their "standard" and basic US models which is the rub I think. The ultra models and stuff like that look really nice, but this is all stuff they should have done years ago
I've had more of those god-forsaken indonesian fenders dropped off for work and repair than any series of guitars in the last couple years it's nuts. They are complete crap.
Right? They should have put those guys in charge of both the custom shop and the US production. Can you imagine how much better Fender would be as a brand? Both their guitars and their reputation would have skyrocketed.
Instead we get a million obnoxious youtube commercials of suspiciously "diverse" beginner guitar players, dozens of insane signature models of artists no one has heard of, and outsourcing the mexican guitars to indonesia where the quality took a righteous dump.
