Feel difference Rectos Old vs New

[SPRTAN]

I have owned quite a few Rectos in the past (Rev G+MW+RI - Dual and Rev F+MW Triple).

And I have noticed, that the old 2Ch ones feel very different under the Hand than the new ones. Let it be 3ch, MW or the Reissues, doesn’t matter.
The old one feel more organic, a bit stiffer, you can and have to really dig in..kinda like a Mark Series.

So..Does someone maybe know why and what this is? Transformers? Is it a Bias thing? Compression?

Did you guys have the same experience, or am I just a stupidl dork?

 

[FourT6and2]

The old one feel more organic, a bit stiffer, you can and have to really dig in..kinda like a Mark Series.

Those adjectives seem to be at odds with each other. And my experience has been different. The Reissues are stiffer to me. The older ones are looser.

So..Does someone maybe know why and what this is? Transformers? Is it a Bias thing? Compression?

Did you guys have the same experience, or am I just a stupidl dork?

Nope, my experience is different. The older models have all been looser to me. Most likely due to lower filtering from aging electrolytics. I don't know much about the transformers. In 25-30 years, I'm sure the current reissues will sound exactly like how the Rev G/F sound today.

The only differences I can see in the circuits are the lack of LDRs in the RI and a series loop. Everything else looks mostly identical, but I haven't gone through part by part to compare.

 

[skoora]

Every recto I’ve tried or owned, if not using a boost you have to pick pretty hard and cleanly for heavy rhythm work. Leads are the same if you’re on modern red. It’s a big sound on the immediate attack but doesn’t have much sustain to it. More juicy and fluid on vintage gain Orange.

 

[311boogieman]

I have owned quite a few Rectos in the past (Rev G+MW+RI - Dual and Rev F+MW Triple).

And I have noticed, that the old 2Ch ones feel very different under the Hand than the new ones. Let it be 3ch, MW or the Reissues, doesn’t matter.
The old one feel more organic, a bit stiffer, you can and have to really dig in..kinda like a Mark Series.

So..Does someone maybe know why and what this is? Transformers? Is it a Bias thing? Compression?

Did you guys have the same experience, or am I just a stupidl dork?

You are not a stupid dork and welcome to Rig-Talk but I have an OG Dual and stiffness is not a characteristic I would assign to it. Organic? Yes.

 

[SPRTAN]

Thanks guys!

Well, it’s actually more a touch sensivity. I can’t really describe it.
I currently have a Bogner uber ultra wich feels almost the same. Thought maybe it’s sag? You can really feel how deep or not you dig in and the Amps responds very dynamic to it. And that’s something I didn’t experience to a lesser degree with the new ones.

 

[311boogieman]

Thanks guys!

Well, it’s actually more a touch sensivity. I can’t really describe it.
I currently have a Bogner uber ultra wich feels almost the same. Thought maybe it’s sag? You can really feel how deep or not you dig in and the Amps responds very dynamic to it. And that’s something I didn’t experience to a lesser degree with the new ones.

Yep. Touch sensitive for sure. Pick lightly and you can so blues, jazz, soft rock, even country. Pick hard and dig in and it can get brutal. I wish I could try an UU.

 

[SPRTAN]

The UU is a Monster. Its very very good. But i just miss Rectos a bit to much. And well…wife and responsibilities…you know where this goes..

I’m torn between an old Rev E Dual or a Rev F Triple and the RI Trile.
Had the RI Dual for a short time but it was faulty. It didn’t quite click like it did with my triple rev f that I had long ago. It just felt different.
And I’m sooo curious why and what it is…

 

[311boogieman]

@SPRTAN - honestly I just jump into some of the Reissue threads we have going. There are plenty of them. Almost everyone is saying the Reissue is where it is at. Or start your own thread. There are not too many people that even come into this subforum. Good luck.

 

[SPRTAN]

Got a Triple Reissue Blackface for circa 1k under regular Price/MSRP. You just cant say no for that Price.
Im very curious…and will Report.
Learning by doing we say in Germany..

 

[SonVolt]

The old one feel more organic, a bit stiffer

hmmm

 

[311boogieman]

Got a Triple Reissue Blackface for circa 1k under regular Price/MSRP. You just cant say no for that Price.
Im very curious…and will Report.
Learning by doing we say in Germany..

Cool. Pics? Enjoy.

 

[SPRTAN]

Cool. Pics? Enjoy.

picked it up today. New unit.
Currently quite shocked, because it sounds like a blanked over it. Have to crank treble and presence like crazy/dime it. To get a bright enough sound.
Not sure if it might be faulty…

 

[FourT6and2]

picked it up today. New unit.
Currently quite shocked, because it sounds like a blanked over it. Have to crank treble and presence like crazy/dime it. To get a bright enough sound.
Not sure if it might be faulty…

In my experience, the reissue Triple does not sound the same as the reissue Dual... A buddy got one and returned it after a few days. I got the Dual and it sounds great—very different from the Triple he had.

 

[SPRTAN]

Could you please elaborate?

 

[FourT6and2]

Could you please elaborate?

The Reissue Triple I played seemed rather lifeless. It lacked saturation and that classic Rectifer low-mid growl. It didn't seem dark, though. Had a decent amount of clarity. Tried an original Rev G Triple as well and it sounded kinda similar to the Reissue Triple. Overall, didn't like 'em. The Duals seemed better.

 

[SPRTAN]

Alright. I have Returned the Triple RI. Played it in Store against a RI Dual and a Triple MW.
Couldn’t get over the darker and smoother voicing of both RI. Although they have some girth that the MW doesn’t have. - So they are really like the old Revs.
But the MW is like Recto in 4K against them. It’s much more aggressive and bright. Wich I prefer soI took the Triple MW Home.

And still it feels different. My thesis is that it is the amount of Bass frequency’s/Warm Voicing - that above described girth wich causes the difference. If I boost both amps that difference becomes smaller.

 

[FourT6and2]

Alright. I have Returned the Triple RI. Played it in Store against a RI Dual and a Triple MW.
Couldn’t get over the darker and smoother voicing of both RI. Although they have some girth that the MW doesn’t have. - So they are really like the old Revs.
But the MW is like Recto in 4K against them. It’s much more aggressive and bright. Wich I prefer soI took the Triple MW Home.

And still it feels different. My thesis is that it is the amount of Bass frequency’s/Warm Voicing - that above described girth wich causes the difference. If I boost both amps that difference becomes smaller.

I haven't played a MW. But I run my RI with a boost on at all times.

 

[SPRTAN]

I haven't played a MW. But I run my RI with a boost on at all times.

So do i. But that’s not the point.
This behavior tells me that it must be the difference in low end/warmth wich causes the minor difference in feel when you dig in. You really notice it when you play gallops.
This would also explain why my uber ultra had the same thing going on - pretty dark amp.

And you should really try a Multiwatt. It sounds like I personally would describe a Recto sound. Really Raspy, Chainsaw Agressive, Dry and Cutting. Kinda like a Rammstein Record.
But this might not be everybody cup of tea.
If you’re more into really thick, warmer and smoother Tones. Kinda like Korn.
The RI is fantastic. And it’s true to it predecessor in this regard.

 

[JimmyGrim]

You’re definitely not the only one who noticed differences between older and newer Rectos. A lot of players feel the older 2-channel versions have a different response and feel. It could be a combination of transformers, component changes, biasing, and production differences over the years. Sometimes small circuit changes really affect the feel under the fingers.

 

[Techdeth]

hers so recto is so much better despite the non love on here .