Hetfield is a talentless low IQ prick

[DanTravis62]

If I was his age with his money the last thing I'd want to do is go on tour or make more depressing suicide inducing music. I'd be seaside on some Greek island sipping muscat and eating olives wondering which murphy lab or private reserve I was going to order this week and then hit vespers at sunset. Maybe open a studio and offer services to local musicians who could use a helping hand.

He is never going to do that because he's a perpetual teenager.

When you strip away the massive stadium production and the musical talent of David Gilmour and Richard Wright, the underlying themes of the actual words Roger Waters wrote about are insanely childish, heavy-handed, and simplistic.

His lyrics endlessly rely on black-and-white, squealing teenager anti-establishmentarianism. His lyrics have almost no nuance, presenting the world through a rigid lens of corrupt authority figures versus helpless victims. Pink Floyd's music having any narrative weight relies on a listener being at an age (teenage retards) or in a state of mind (stoned off your ass) where basic, childish anti-war, anti-greed slogans feel incredibly profound and like, soooo deeep maaaaan.

The media's framing of these idiotic ideas as "grand" has nothing to do with the intellectual depth of the lyrics, and a lot to do with the scale of the presentation. The press conflated the theatrics and the sonic atmosphere created by the rest of the band with intellectual brilliance on Waters' part.
When you separate his childish, basic lyrics from the rest of the band and the expensive stage props, the illusion of the "genius auteur" falls apart pretty quickly. It reveals an angry, technically limited musician leaning on the talent of his bandmates to prop up his very simple, very childlish personal political grievances.

 

[rstites]

By not voting, you made everyone else's vote proportionally more consequential. Therefore you ceded your agency to those who cared enough to vote.

True. I've always voted, and while I've frequently lived in areas where my individual vote had no chance of swinging anything, I still participate.

The lack of that ability to make a difference makes me more vocal about getting rid of first-past-the-post voting and doing some proportional than anything else........and that's my entire political aside!

 

[VonBonfire]

He is never going to do that because he's a perpetual teenager.

When you strip away the massive stadium production and the musical talent of David Gilmour and Richard Wright, the underlying themes of the actual words Roger Waters wrote about are insanely childish, heavy-handed, and simplistic.

His lyrics endlessly rely on black-and-white, squealing teenager anti-establishmentarianism. His lyrics have almost no nuance, presenting the world through a rigid lens of corrupt authority figures versus helpless victims. Pink Floyd's music having any narrative weight relies on a listener being at an age (teenage retards) or in a state of mind (stoned off your ass) where basic, childish anti-war, anti-greed slogans feel incredibly profound and like, soooo deeep maaaaan.

The media's framing of these idiotic ideas as "grand" has nothing to do with the intellectual depth of the lyrics, and a lot to do with the scale of the presentation. The press conflated the theatrics and the sonic atmosphere created by the rest of the band with intellectual brilliance on Waters' part.
When you separate his childish, basic lyrics from the rest of the band and the expensive stage props, the illusion of the "genius auteur" falls apart pretty quickly. It reveals an angry, technically limited musician leaning on the talent of his bandmates to prop up his very simple, very childlish personal political grievances.

I get it but it's irrelevant to me because I hate Floyd more than any other actual band I have ever heard. The debut Syd Barret album is a different matter. I found it weird how the average Floyd fan's first remarks to me about their favorite band was "their laser show is amazing". I don't give a crap about lasers and light shows. I should've told them that I don't believe lasers are real.

 

[DanTravis62]

I get it but it's irrelevant to me because I hate Floyd more than any other actual band I have ever heard. The debut Syd Barret album is a different matter. I found it weird how the average Floyd fan's first remarks to me about their favorite band was "their laser show is amazing". I don't give a crap about lasers and light shows. I should've told them that I don't believe lasers are real.

I am with you, but in a slightly different way

mostly because my entire teenage years were stoned mouthbreathing idiots asking me "maaaan have you seeen the waalll maaaan its a triiiipp broooooo"

and also because roger waters is a complete fucking clown who bought into his own hype after the media built him up as a genius in their heyday, and fell on his face where the rubber met the road

 

[MadAsAHatter]

How did we end up with a thread that started with Metallica then jumped to Roger Waters for 15 pages? And it's still going.

 

[DanTravis62]

How did we end up with a thread that started with Metallica then jumped to Roger Waters for 15 pages? And it's still going.

because the thread is literally about roger waters calling metallicas james hetfield a dunce because he doesn't want to yell commie propaganda from the rooftops

 

[MadAsAHatter]

because the thread is literally about roger waters calling metallicas james hetfield a dunce because he doesn't want to yell commie propaganda from the rooftops

Threads go off track so often here I can't tell what's happening half the time.

 

[VonBonfire]

mostly because my entire teenage years were stoned mouthbreathing idiots asking me "maaaan have you seeen the waalll maaaan its a triiiipp broooooo"

I would never let a rando Floyd fan harsh my mellow by suggesting I watch some animated kiddie crap. I hate cartoons.

Unfortunately I was a teenage kid working in a kitchen with 5 cooks, 3 of whom named Pink Floyd as their all time favorite band, and the other dude was into Phish and the Dead. In that horrible musical environment, I grew to relish the skeletons in the closet cassette.

 

[DanTravis62]

I would never let a rando Floyd fan harsh my mellow by suggesting I watch some animated kiddie crap. I hate cartoons.

Unfortunately I was a teenage kid working in a kitchen with 5 cooks, 3 of whom named Pink Floyd as their all time favorite band, and the other dude was into Phish and the Dead. In that horrible musical environment, I grew to relish the skeletons in the closet cassette.

That honestly sounds like my version of super-Hell

 

[VonBonfire]

That honestly sounds like my version of super-Hell

Why do you think I hate Pink Floyd so much?

I made up for it by forcing them into Super Gold on Saturday nights.

What's messed up is I worked in another restaurant and the cook's favorite bands there were Pink Floyd.....and Supertramp.

 

[Tone Monster]

By not voting, you made everyone else's vote proportionally more consequential. Therefore you ceded your agency to those who cared enough to vote.

Guess I can't argue that logic.

 

[DanTravis62]

Why do you think I hate Pink Floyd so much?

I made up for it by forcing them into Super Gold on Saturday nights.

What's messed up is I worked in another restaurant and the cook's favorite bands there were Pink Floyd.....and Supertramp.

I hate them because they are so disappointing.

Before I heard pink floyd, everyone made it sound like they were the greatest band that has ever existed, with the greatest lyrics on their ConCePT AlBuMs that are high art of the highest artistic degree. And their guitar player is ThE BeSt EvAr.

Imagine my surprise when the "high concept" of their oh-so-artistic albums is basically "If bad religion lyrics were written by a 5 year old who shit his pants and is rather perturbed about naptime, squalling that parents are mean"

It's like the worst bait and switch that's ever occurred in music history

 

[joesatch]

Amused to Death fantastic concept album. With Jeff Beck on guitar!

 

[VonBonfire]

And their guitar player is ThE BeSt EvAr.

He's like the reverse Malmsteen, everything is slow sustained notes. Malmsteen never slows down. Rhythmically monotone. But I'll take Malmsteen if that's what it comes down to. At least he has a purple fringe suede jacket plus he hates donuts and stuff.

 

[DanTravis62]

He's like the reverse Malmsteen, everything is slow sustained notes. Malmsteen never slows down. Rhythmically monotone. But I'll take Malmsteen if that's what it comes down to. At least he has a purple fringe suede jacket plus he hates donuts and stuff.

That's not even remotely true about malmsteen, he slows down all the time and that's a classic "i've never actually listened to yngwie malmsteen" thing - Malmsteens most defining traits are his slow weepy vibrato and melancholic, moody phrasing when it slows down

The true comparison would be like MAB or something, that's more like someone who is always playing fast all the time with no breaks

 

[VonBonfire]

That's not even remotely true about malmsteen, he slows down all the time and that's a classic "i've never actually listened to yngwie malmsteen" thing - Malmsteens most defining traits are his slow weepy vibrato and melancholic, moody phrasing when it slows down

Well, I guess that's good for him but it's too late for me now. I had Fire and Ice dubbed, Teaser was all I needed to hear. The guitar sounded amazing but the songs were like a soundtrack to a cheesy porno film. His blues album is a real winner, complete with music vids of him riding around in his Ferrari.

 

[DanTravis62]

Well, I guess that's good for him but it's too late for me now. I had Fire and Ice dubbed, Teaser was all I needed to hear. The guitar sounded amazing but the songs were like a soundtrack to a cheesy porno film. His blues album is a real winner, complete with music vids of him riding around in his Ferrari.

He just isn't the best example of what you're talking about, he not only doesn't play fast all the time, he does it in a very specifically hendrix or ritchie blackmore kind of earthy way that's not technically perfect or "correct"

 

[valve]

I'm aware it's kind of pointless to argue over subjective preference. However, I am convinced Division Bell was a much stronger album in terms of the music and song structures. Final Cut probably had better lyrics, but it's also about as depressing of an album I've ever heard. It was also much more of Water solo album than a Floyd album, and you can hear that. Gilmour was basically a "guitarist for hire" at that point in the band. The band didn't want to do that album, but Waters insisted on it or the other option was Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking. It made sense that the band would split. I still enjoy some of the songs on Final Cut (Post War Dream, Possible Pasts, Gunner's Dream, etc.), but it's not an album that you just listen to when you're feeling good.

I think the most interesting Waters song from his solo work is the track It's a Miracle. Listen to the chanting part at the end with good headphones.

BTW, isn't this cover scary?? How accurate this is.

that singing (@ min 3:30, also "Too Much Rope") in that water's song reminds me of something ...
Of course! he should collaborate with Metallica and make a Lulu 2.0
shit!

 

[BABMusic]

If you gave me the choice of listening to Roger Water's solo albums or new current Metallica, I would choose Waters every time. Metallica in their prime -- totally different comparison.

Interestingly though, both Metallica and Waters had a great way of creating concept albums. Waters was certainly a huge part in that.

 

[rstites]

that singing (@ min 3:30, also "Too Much Rope") in that water's song reminds me of something ...
Of course! he should collaborate with Metallica and make a Lulu 2.0
shit!

While this thread is mostly trashing Floyd and Rogers, let's be honest - Metallica hasn't done anything all that great in nearly 30 years now, either. It's not like they couldn't use an infusion of some sort. Maybe this isn't the right one, but I don't know what is.

No shade from me. Most of my favorite artists seemed to be good for a few albums at most. Few could keep putting out great material over the long run.