I want a Jubilee.. Should I?

[Racerxrated]

I’ve had 6 originals 87s(2554,2553,2555), 4 88/89(2554, 2555) and 1 reissue 2555x. The reissue is dead on tone wise, the difference appears at high volume where the original seems just a touch more ‘ballsy’. With a boost these amps are deadly and can hang with anything. A 2554 double boosted was my rig for 3 yrs about 8 yrs ago.
Killer amps.

 

[tonesfoyobones]

I also wanted to point out that from what I've read about the Jubilee's is that they are more eq'd for V30's. When they first came out it was an upcharge for a V30 cab and most where 12T75's. I'm not sure about the newer ones but I'd think the same applies.
I do like it through my Diezel rear loaded V30 cab but I have a late 80's JCM800 bottom cab loaded with Fane F70's that I prefer more especially with a fat'ol Les Paul.
I have some white labeled 12T75's that originally came in the cab but I haven't heard them with my Jubilee's yet. I need another Marshall bottom cab to install them in.

 

[Rick Lee]

I bought a quad of old white label 75s a few weeks ago. Seller said they had come out of an old Silver Jub cab. I don't know if that's true, but they sound fantastic. And I got them for a song.

 

[Racerxrated]

I also wanted to point out that from what I've read about the Jubilee's is that they are more eq'd for V30's. When they first came out it was an upcharge for a V30 cab and most where 12T75's. I'm not sure about the newer ones but I'd think the same applies.
I do like it through my Diezel rear loaded V30 cab but I have a late 80's JCM800 bottom cab loaded with Fane F70's that I prefer more especially with a fat'ol Les Paul.
I have some white labeled 12T75's that originally came in the cab but I haven't heard them with my Jubilee's yet. I need another Marshall bottom cab to install them in.

Yep, the only Marshall to sound killer with V30s. Although, the 8 ohm Marshall Vintage is the speaker that you could get in the 2551AV/BV cabs, and sound fairly different than V30s in most cabs today. Those are really hard to find, and sound fuller/fatter/warmer than the 16ohm Marshall Vintages made today. 65s sound killer too with Jubes.

 

[Racerxrated]

I bought a quad of old white label 75s a few weeks ago. Seller said they had come out of an old Silver Jub cab. I don't know if that's true, but they sound fantastic. And I got them for a song.

Those are the 2nd generation T75s...nice speakers. But the T75s with the vented magnets are GREAT speakers and are really the ones to find if you can. They have fat mids and resemble a brighter 65 with more low end. Only found in 84-86 Marshall cabs or combos.

 

[fek]

I need one of these. When I see one for sale locally they want way too much for them. Will keep looking.

 

[Detroit1973]

I wish i'd never sold my 2 Jubilee 2555SL

 

[Goat]

Here's my smallbox 2553. I still love my 1987xl more, but I'll hold onto this one I think.

But.. isn't the 1987XL a NMV amplifier?

 

[Goat]

I bought a quad of old white label 75s a few weeks ago. Seller said they had come out of an old Silver Jub cab. I don't know if that's true, but they sound fantastic. And I got them for a song.

Those are the 2nd generation T75s...nice speakers. But the T75s with the vented magnets are GREAT speakers and are really the ones to find if you can. They have fat mids and resemble a brighter 65 with more low end. Only found in 84-86 Marshall cabs or combos.

The 1987 Marshall SJ cabs come with UK made T75's. Vented or non-vented makes no difference... If they're UK made T75's, they are the same speakers. My 1988 SJ 4x12 cabinet has them as well. 2554 came with UK Marshall Vintage driver.

 

[Rick Lee]

But.. isn't the 1987XL a NMV amplifier?

Yes, and I love it to pieces.

 

[Goat]

But.. isn't the 1987XL a NMV amplifier?

Yes, and I love it to pieces.

I rebuilt one several years back with a PTP board. I sold it, and have regretted it ever since.

 

[Speeddemon]

But the T75s with the vented magnets are GREAT speakers and are really the ones to find if you can. They have fat mids and resemble a brighter 65 with more low end. Only found in 84-86 Marshall cabs or combos.

Good description. I concur.

 

[Racerxrated]

I bought a quad of old white label 75s a few weeks ago. Seller said they had come out of an old Silver Jub cab. I don't know if that's true, but they sound fantastic. And I got them for a song.

Those are the 2nd generation T75s...nice speakers. But the T75s with the vented magnets are GREAT speakers and are really the ones to find if you can. They have fat mids and resemble a brighter 65 with more low end. Only found in 84-86 Marshall cabs or combos.

The 1987 Marshall SJ cabs come with UK made T75's. Vented or non-vented makes no difference... If they're UK made T75's, they are the same speakers. My 1988 SJ 4x12 cabinet has them as well. 2554 came with UK Marshall Vintage driver.

Nope. IMO. Just because they are UK doesn't mean anything when it comes to 80s T75s...why? Because I've had the first version vented magnets, and they sound like a brighter G12 65 with bigger low end. I've also had an 87 JCM 800 cab with the T75 that you mention, and they do sound nice but it's a whole different tone than the first version with the vents. The 87s are mid scooped compared to the vented versions. Now, compared to the 3rd version that went into the JCM 900 cabs they have good mids...but the T75 started off by being advertised as a 'high powered greenback' and the first version vented speakers did in some ways resemble GBs. But they progressively lost midrange with each following change/magnet sticker until you have the really scooped version today. If you've owned all versions like I have, you'll notice the change. None are bad sounding, just different enough to notice the change over time.

 

[Goat]

I bought a quad of old white label 75s a few weeks ago. Seller said they had come out of an old Silver Jub cab. I don't know if that's true, but they sound fantastic. And I got them for a song.

Those are the 2nd generation T75s...nice speakers. But the T75s with the vented magnets are GREAT speakers and are really the ones to find if you can. They have fat mids and resemble a brighter 65 with more low end. Only found in 84-86 Marshall cabs or combos.

The 1987 Marshall SJ cabs come with UK made T75's. Vented or non-vented makes no difference... If they're UK made T75's, they are the same speakers. My 1988 SJ 4x12 cabinet has them as well. 2554 came with UK Marshall Vintage driver.

Nope. IMO. Just because they are UK doesn't mean anything when it comes to 80s T75s...why? Because I've had the first version vented magnets, and they sound like a brighter G12 65 with bigger low end. I've also had an 87 JCM 800 cab with the T75 that you mention, and they do sound nice but it's a whole different tone than the first version with the vents. The 87s are mid scooped compared to the vented versions. Now, compared to the 3rd version that went into the JCM 900 cabs they have good mids...but the T75 started off by being advertised as a 'high powered greenback' and the first version vented speakers did in some ways resemble GBs. But they progressively lost midrange with each following change/magnet sticker until you have the really scooped version today. If you've owned all versions like I have, you'll notice the change. None are bad sounding, just different enough to notice the change over time.

No... they are the same speaker. I've recorded and gigged using both, and they are identical. Gotta love the webz!

 

[Racerxrated]

I bought a quad of old white label 75s a few weeks ago. Seller said they had come out of an old Silver Jub cab. I don't know if that's true, but they sound fantastic. And I got them for a song.

Those are the 2nd generation T75s...nice speakers. But the T75s with the vented magnets are GREAT speakers and are really the ones to find if you can. They have fat mids and resemble a brighter 65 with more low end. Only found in 84-86 Marshall cabs or combos.

The 1987 Marshall SJ cabs come with UK made T75's. Vented or non-vented makes no difference... If they're UK made T75's, they are the same speakers. My 1988 SJ 4x12 cabinet has them as well. 2554 came with UK Marshall Vintage driver.

Nope. IMO. Just because they are UK doesn't mean anything when it comes to 80s T75s...why? Because I've had the first version vented magnets, and they sound like a brighter G12 65 with bigger low end. I've also had an 87 JCM 800 cab with the T75 that you mention, and they do sound nice but it's a whole different tone than the first version with the vents. The 87s are mid scooped compared to the vented versions. Now, compared to the 3rd version that went into the JCM 900 cabs they have good mids...but the T75 started off by being advertised as a 'high powered greenback' and the first version vented speakers did in some ways resemble GBs. But they progressively lost midrange with each following change/magnet sticker until you have the really scooped version today. If you've owned all versions like I have, you'll notice the change. None are bad sounding, just different enough to notice the change over time.

No... they are the same speaker. I've recorded and gigged using both, and they are identical. Gotta love the webz!

Not my experience at all, and it had nothing to do with the 'web'. I've owned all of the speakers/cabs I'm talking about, and it is very obvious when playing them..they all lose mids over the years. This had been talked about many times, and when guys find a first version T75 cab from 84-85 they are very surprised at the tonal difference between those and say a JCM 900 cab.
If you are seriously saying that the JCM 900 era T75 played side by side with a first yr version from 84 are identical? Not a chance. You must have never played the vented versions.

 

[Marshall Freak]

It's not the webz, I've got several of the older cabinets and my bandmate does too. Compared side by side with a newer cabinet, new and old 75s sound incredibly different. I've had more than a dozen of the older ones, and the older the 75, the better it sounds. The older ones sound more like a g12-65 than they do current g12-75

And one of the best sounding cabs I ever had was an 87 2551AV cabinet. Never should have sold it. those vintage 30s or whatever they are were so much better than current vintage 30s. Smooth. Decent Midrange but not the mid hump like they have now.

 

[Goat]

There is no difference in the vented G12T-75's vs non-vented G12T-75's. They use the same cone, same coil, same tube, same magnet. The vents do not change the sound of the driver. If you're hearing a difference, you're comparing your vented G12T-75's to the China made G12T-75's. China made 75's sound nothing like the UK made 75's.

 

[Marshall Freak]

It's not the vents that change the sound, but other factors in the speaker. For instance, g12-65s had 40 different variations of the same speaker, in the short 4-5 years they were used. There absolutley is a difference in the tone of older vs new g12T-75s. Weve lined them up and plugged the same amp into them and A/B them.

 

[Marshall Freak]

87 isn't the first version. They came out officially in 85. But were in some 84 cabinets.

 

[Goat]

It's not the vents that change the sound, but other factors in the speaker. For instance, g12-65s had 40 different variations of the same speaker, in the short 4-5 years they were used. There absolutley is a difference in the tone of older vs new g12T-75s. Weve lined them up and plugged the same amp into them and A/B them.

The only way that can happen, is if some speakers were fitted with an alternate cone. I've owned both UK versions... one cab with vented, one with non-vented, they sounded identical. Cones were stock. My Randy Rhoads cab was loaded with China made G12-75's, which sounded nothing the UK 75's.