DanTravis62
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Right, like older folks falling victim to obvious AI or obvious Indian/Nigerian scam cold calls and phishing.
Right, like older folks falling victim to obvious AI or obvious Indian/Nigerian scam cold calls and phishing.
Eazy-ESP
Well-known member
100%
OldGtrGuy
Well-known member
I think it's this but maybe not in that context. My guess is not knowing how easy it is to fake shit. I've been recording off and on forever. In studios, and mostly now at home.
It's gotten to the point where unless I'm in a paid studio with real equipment and where time = money I couldn't care less about being a one take hero. I comp my ass off because why not make it perfect?
I really just do one section at a time and if I'm repeating a riff and one of them is perfect why not copy/paste to save myself tons of time and make it tight?
On top of that there's editing, snapping to grid, etc. And in some cases, like probably the rings of Saturn dude you can go as far as note by note if you really wanted to but that's just wild.
Idk much about video editing but I'm 100% its all the same there. Probably not hard at all if you know what you're doing.
I also dont know how real or fake this player is but from the videos ive seen yeah. Anything I were to record and put out there like, this is my shit...would be the same stuff I can play live with the band outside of 2 guitars in a 1 guitar band. In my opinion if you cant play it live you're kind of a fraud. Doesnt have to be perfect either, nobody's perfect, even the best of them.
Rackman
Well-known member
Yeah "top 1%" of any common activity is not really saying much. In the same vein anyone who knows what the apex of a corner is would be a top 1% racecar driver, but their NASCAR ride may remain elusive
There's something like 100 million guitar players in the US alone.
stratjacket
Well-known member
I watched about 15 minutes of that live performance. He can clearly play, he’s a good technical player to a point. He doesn’t suck it up, but it’s clear the regular YouTube videos are mimed and he’s splicing together a million little parts. That’s art too, just not the kind I think he’s trying to portray. Interesting thread but in the end he’s probably just one of many. I don’t hold it against him making a living but there is a loss of respect that would have otherwise been there if it was real.
DanTravis62
Moderator
Yeah "top 1%" of any common activity is not really saying much. In the same vein anyone who knows what the apex of a corner is would be a top 1% racecar driver, but their NASCAR ride may remain elusive
There's something like 100 million guitar players in the US alone.
If that's the case I am probably in the top 1% of guitarists in the world, if Ichika is
I think you are right, I don't think a lot of hobbyist guitar players know the sorts of things you can do with a professional recording studio and professional video editor, and that definitely contributes to the "nigerian scammer" part of this.
I watched the entire thing, god rest my soul. I guarantee his defenders did not or else they would start laughing and say "Okay, Dan is definitely correct and this is wild and incongruent."
And i 100% hold it against him. Because I am literally a better guitar player than the fucking Yngwie Malmsteen© of this gay zoomer era.
Like i'm not joking I'm actually a way better guitarist than the Ichika in that live video tjnx posted.
Especially with lead playing, I play absolute circles around him.
That's why I hold it against him. Because millions of people like the Kid think he's literally a god because of his fake ass videos, and he gets paid millions, and I don't.
And I feel like I have every right to hold it against him.
The~Kid
Well-known member
Sometimes there is a lag/blur between what a vid can capture and what is actually happening and what one can hear by a mic...... You'll hear something you cant see as a result.....Bro i i'm confused, I don't even know what you're trying to say by this - light being faster than sound has nothing to do with him not being able to play any of the crazy stuff he "performs" in his IG videos
Additionally Ichika just plays at a faster/higher level than your average person live/vid or otherwise.....
Light travels faster than sound, it's elementary
DanTravis62
Moderator
Sometimes there is a lag/blur between what a vid can capture and what is actually happening and what one can hear by a mic...... You'll hear something you cant see as a result.....
Additionally Ichika just plays at a faster/higher level than your average person live/vid or otherwise.....
Light travels faster than sound, it's elementary
Okay you are definitely taking the piss
Rackman
Well-known member
Quite likely - if you've got enough interest to be on a forum and practice some, you're probably there. I've jammed with enough random people from work, church, etc. and even people taking night university music classes to know that what I consider fairly mediocre playing (I'm a comfortable rock/metal cover guitarist and jazz player but nothing special and no real facility with the super fast/technical stuff) puts me near the top of the heap.If that's the case I am probably in the top 1% of guitarists in the world, if Ichika is
DanTravis62
Moderator
I guarantee there's a whole lot of people here in the top 1% - not only that, but a ton of people who absolutely smoke the real ichika.
The problem is that he's a millionaire off of faking it with complete bullshit, and if this is the way the wind is blowing I need to start making some fake guitar videos
Because apparently sticking to things I can actually play isn't doing shit for me
stratjacket
Well-known member
I’ve made a few YouTube videos where I played live. The difference I think you’re referring to is because of this:Sometimes there is a lag/blur between what a vid can capture and what is actually happening and what one can hear by a mic...... You'll hear something you cant see as a result.....
Additionally Ichika just plays at a faster/higher level than your average person live/vid or otherwise.....
Light travels faster than sound, it's elementary
The video is recorded through the camera.
At the same time, the audio is recorded through a DAW (not the camera microphone or you delete the camera audio).
When you make the YouTube video in Final Cut Pro or whatever software you use, you have to line up the audio to the video. If you don’t get it perfect, it can seem a little off. It’s actually tricky to line it up perfectly. It’s still a live performance but just captured in 2 devices that have be aligned.
There are many how-to videos out there showing how to do this.
The~Kid
Well-known member
Kind off but there is something to it
The~Kid
Well-known member
You don't need to make millions to be a good player man or be at the "top 1%".......... At the end of the day just have fun and enjoy, NVM the BS and that's what it's about *_*If that's the case I am probably in the top 1% of guitarists in the world, if Ichika is
I think you are right, I don't think a lot of hobbyist guitar players know the sorts of things you can do with a professional recording studio and professional video editor, and that definitely contributes to the "nigerian scammer" part of this.
I watched the entire thing, god rest my soul. I guarantee his defenders did not or else they would start laughing and say "Okay, Dan is definitely correct and this is wild and incongruent."
And i 100% hold it against him. Because I am literally a better guitar player than the fucking Yngwie Malmsteen© of this gay zoomer era.
Like i'm not joking I'm actually a way better guitarist than the Ichika in that live video tjnx posted.
Especially with lead playing, I play absolute circles around him.
That's why I hold it against him. Because millions of people like the Kid think he's literally a god because of his fake ass videos, and he gets paid millions, and I don't.
And I feel like I have every right to hold it against him.
DanTravis62
Moderator
I don't think you're picking up what I'm throwing down - it doesn't matter that he isn't a good player or in the top 1%, what matters is faking it
Same reason no one calls Kurt Cobain a fraud or a faker
Monkey Man
Super Moderator
I can explain the difference in two words:
Quotation marks.
Obviously a parenthesis issue (see above).
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tjnx
Well-known member
Not necessarily light is faster than sound being the reason but kinda on the right track. First - long youtube videos often get out of sync due to the videos frame rate and it getting out of sync with the audio. The lower the frame rate, 30 fps in this case, the longer in actual time each image is on screen and the less resolution you have to capture small movements.Sometimes there is a lag/blur between what a vid can capture and what is actually happening and what one can hear by a mic...... You'll hear something you cant see as a result.....
Additionally Ichika just plays at a faster/higher level than your average person live/vid or otherwise.....
Light travels faster than sound, it's elementary
If you had a frame rate of 2 fps and you were doing a bunch of shreddy stuff your hands would appear to jump from position to position every half second on the video. Like those jerky old time silent films. If you needed to line up your finger presses for what the audio is doing it would be off because your movements would be faster than half a second and that frame would last longer on screen than the movements you made. This is why some videos don't quite line up perfectly when people play guitar on youtube.
In this case they are using audio from the board and trying to line it up with the video because the camera's room audio would sound worse. Most commercial 'live' takes from concerts are from the board with fake ambience and crowd noises mixed in. Sometimes they re-record them too for concert dvds & albums
They were off by a few milliseconds from the get go and it just gets worse the longer the video goes because you would need to do quick cuts at certain intervals to re-sync the audio due to the frame rate issue. If you right click on a video and go to stats for nerds you can see the resolution and fps.
This doesn't excuse or hide what the fingers should be doing for the sounds though, which is the problem. There is still enough fps to see when he accidentally hits the low e and its ringing out but you don't hear it in the audio in his official videos. Pretty cut and dry that its miming at that point.
The sound guy did him dirty (intentionally?) with the mix though because there is nowhere to hide with how up front he is. I would be tempted to do something similar if I knew the dude was a fraud. He is playing with distortion because he doesn't have enough compression to match the clean tone on the recorded version. IF he had actually recorded this prior it is another thing he would have worked out long ago.
He likely uses midi + note by note comps to make his recordings. Modellers are usually easier to play due to compression and its an adjustment when going to another model or real amp.
DanTravis62
Moderator
Yep. Also it's very suspect for some of those super dramatic taps and sweeps how "perfect" they sound on the instagram videos compared to how average (to put it diplomatically) his skill level is for those techniques in the real live vids. Especially considering the relatively clean sound.
Gun to my head I would say it's pretty cut and dry that it's a combo of midi and note-by-note run into the same modeler or software amp; most likely EQ matching the guitar input and the midi output to get them sounding as close as possible before they hit the (virtual) gain stages.
The reason jacobra (as well as you, I, and others) noticed it so much though is that the disparity between these curated, "perfect" instagram videos and his real playing is absolutely awe-inspiring. It's a grand canyon gap.
The~Kid
Well-known member
This and bracketsI can explain the difference in two words:
Quotation marks.
Obviously a parenthesis issue (see above).
Monkey Man
Super Moderator
There were no brackets 'though:
"live" vs live.
The difference is obviously punctuation.
"live" vs live.
The difference is obviously punctuation.
bhuard75
Techdeath’s Resident Asshole Student
Sometimes there is a lag/blur between what a vid can capture and what is actually happening and what one can hear by a mic...... You'll hear something you cant see as a result.....
CUT THE BULLSHIT. You cant be serious. I'm an R&D Software Engineer that specializes in offensive weapon systems. Off the shelf tech exists that I can grab off amazon to track and video record munition velocity, measure decibels and sound. You are not telling me this chic is playing at a pace that today's tech, off the shelf, cant capture without "lag and blur".
Just stop already with the used car salesman horseshit.
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