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What in god's name is with all the young people treating haggling like it's a lost art?

Like, this is basic stuff you are supposed to learn as a child trading baseball/magic/pokemon cards or whatever, and if you hate it so much turn offers off? I totally get it if you don't like haggling, but for the love of god this is a hobby where it's not only the norm, but expected
Guitarists are extra sensitive pussies when it comes to gear in a lot of cases now IME. Acting like their mass produced shit is worth 85% of the new price. Haggling starts at 60% and I'll pay 75-80% if it's something I really want or need. It doesn't matter how many offers I make when your ad says "make offer". If multiple offers trigger them, they should go down to a pawn shop and get the money they deserve for their gear. :LOL:
 
Guitarists are extra sensitive pussies when it comes to gear in a lot of cases now IME. Acting like their mass produced shit is worth 85% of the new price. Haggling starts at 60% and I'll pay 75-80% if it's something I really want or need. It doesn't matter how many offers I make when your ad says "make offer". If multiple offers trigger them, they should go down to a pawn shop and get the money they deserve for their gear. :LOL:

"Guitarists" didn't used to be like this, though

It's literally only since COVID when all the Pitchfork/Tiny Desk hipsters converged the hobby that it became like this

Haggling was expected for guitar gear for the first 3 and a half decades of my life. Yes, once in a while there was an ad on HCAF with "price firm/no haggling" but it was definitely not the norm

It's just nonsensical to me that there's always a million posts about "the gear I post isn't selling wAHHHHHH" and i think these two things are very, very related
 
"Guitarists" didn't used to be like this, though

It's literally only since COVID when all the Pitchfork/Tiny Desk hipsters converged the hobby that it became like this

Haggling was expected for guitar gear for the first 3 and a half decades of my life. Yes, once in a while there was an ad on HCAF with "price firm/no haggling" but it was definitely not the norm

It's just nonsensical to me that there's always a million posts about "the gear I post isn't selling wAHHHHHH" and i think these two things are very, very related
I dunno, there are a few of them here. I posted about a similar reverb experience where I made multiple offers on a piece of gear and was told "you annoyed him by making too many offers" "you're just greedy" "you just wanted it to benefit you" lmao isn't that the point of haggling? Both parties compromise and get what they need. Meanwhile the same people who said as much have rooms full of guitars and amps. The dumbass seller sold for hundreds less in the end. I guess it was his prerogative but I ended up saving many hundreds when I landed on a similar piece of gear without some of the fancier appointments for below market price.

I was on a different forum the other day watching a dude trying to sell an sa2200 for 87% of the new price. It was mint but sorry, it's still used. Why wouldn't I just buy a new one and have the warranty and the option of returning it easily if it sucks? Dude is clueless.

I just sold two guitars priced 800-1100. One through ebay and another through FB marketplace. I had multiple lowballs in each sale. Do I give a shit? No, because "no thanks" is all that needs to be said, if that. Did I take a loss? Yes, that's the nature of selling used junk. If a person is that much of a pussy they can't handle multiple lowballs or offers below 85% of new value, they should just stick to hoarding their gear. It's easier than starting a band, booking gigs, or practicing.:LOL:
 
I dunno, there are a few of them here. I posted about a similar reverb experience where I made multiple offers on a piece of gear and was told "you annoyed him by making too many offers" "you're just greedy" "you just wanted it to benefit you" lmao isn't that the point of haggling? Both parties compromise and get what they need. Meanwhile the same people who said as much have rooms full of guitars and amps. The dumbass seller sold for hundreds less in the end. I guess it was his prerogative but I ended up saving many hundreds when I landed on a similar piece of gear without some of the fancier appointments for below market price.

I was on a different forum the other day watching a dude trying to sell an sa2200 for 87% of the new price. It was mint but sorry, it's still used. Why wouldn't I just buy a new one and have the warranty and the option of returning it easily if it sucks? Dude is clueless.

I just sold two guitars priced 800-1100. One through ebay and another through FB marketplace. I had multiple lowballs in each sale. Do I give a shit? No, because "no thanks" is all that needs to be said, if that. Did I take a loss? Yes, that's the nature of selling used junk. If a person is that much of a pussy they can't handle multiple lowballs or offers below 85% of new value, they should just stick to hoarding their gear. It's easier than starting a band, booking gigs, or practicing.:LOL:
Lowballing isnt just teabagging
 
The reason haggling isn’t as prevalent is that we just know more now. Like the rest of you old fucks I used to get great deals in pawn shops and from newspaper ads. No one had any idea what shit was really worth. Now you can find out exactly what the going price is on a piece of gear in seconds.
 
The reason haggling isn’t as prevalent is that we just know more now. Like the rest of you old fucks I used to get great deals in pawn shops and from newspaper ads. No one had any idea what shit was really worth. Now you can find out exactly what the going price is on a piece of gear in seconds.

That's DEFINITELY the reason there aren't as many screaming deals, but I don't think that's the reason there's less haggling tbh
 
The reason haggling isn’t as prevalent is that we just know more now. Like the rest of you old fucks I used to get great deals in pawn shops and from newspaper ads. No one had any idea what shit was really worth. Now you can find out exactly what the going price is on a piece of gear in seconds.
I dunno, I'm paying less for packs of strings than the local mom and pop rip off shop used to charge in the early 90's......"$8.75 for these Dean Markley 10-46"

The golden era for me was mid 2000's....there was a great used shop on central in st. pete and I gigged with the guy who worked the counter. $350 faded V's. The good old days....
 
I dunno, I'm paying less for packs of strings than the local mom and pop rip off shop used to charge in the early 90's......"$8.75 for these Dean Markley 10-46"

The golden era for me was mid 2000's....there was a great used shop on central in st. pete and I gigged with the guy who worked the counter. $350 faded V's. The good old days....
Pawn shops in the 90s were a lot of fun
 
Guitar Center Used online used to have a lot of crazy good deals because of all the drug addicts running those places not knowing shit. Now there's no good deals on there anymore.
 
Well I hope you are right b/c I am going to continue to throw out $300 offers on every decent local 4x12 I see

There have been a ton of situations where i've done that and it's worked, even recently - I got my cornford convertible open/close back 1x12 unloaded for 100 bucks on marketplace locally :dunno:

It's just not gonna happen on guitar center's website or pawn shops anymore, unfortunately, which you are 100000% correct about - even if they DO list something for way lower, if someone buys it they always figure it out before it's shipped (ask me how I know lol)
 
Pawn shops in the 90s were a lot of fun
Not in the area I was living in at the time, it was damn near retail. Same with the army/navy surplus joints. Acquiring anything in that podunk town was ridiculously expensive. I moved to Tampa Bay and it was a whole new world.
 
My guess is the dude was just not paying attention and missed the offer. Probably dodged a bullet on shipping and attention span.
 
Personally, haggling isn't worth my time. If I'm listing something for sale, I'm probably just going to ignore anyone who tries to haggle. I have more important things to do in life than go back and forth over a couple of bucks. If they want it, they can buy it. If they don't, no big deal, just move along. I've been selling gear this way forever and am not unusual with that approach. I've always assumed those trying to haggle are just playing games and aren't serious about it, so just ignore them. I'll grant that the default on Reverb, or similar, to accept offers is there and I'd intend to turn it off, but if I forgot, I'll just ignore anything that doesn't look like a legit question or is an actual purchase. It's nothing personal. I just don't have time for it. I ignore over half the emails I receive at work for similar reasons. It has to hit a certain mark of importance to get my time/energy, as there's only so much of that available.

With cars, I'll haggle, but I only buy used, and there it's at least enough $ to be worth some effort. Still, I'm pretty quick with it. If someone tries to go back-and-forth too much, I just move on. They aren't serious at that point, and are just wasting my time. I'll find someone interested in selling/buying. I do know guys who buy new - they call every dealer in the area of whatever they want and ask for a written quote out-the-door and just go with the best. Make the dealers compete for their business. I'd do that, but I'm too cheap to purchase new vehicles!
 
Guitarists are extra sensitive pussies when it comes to gear in a lot of cases now IME. Acting like their mass produced shit is worth 85% of the new price. Haggling starts at 60% and I'll pay 75-80% if it's something I really want or need. It doesn't matter how many offers I make when your ad says "make offer". If multiple offers trigger them, they should go down to a pawn shop and get the money they deserve for their gear. :LOL:
Spot on.. The largest brick & mortar used market reseller is Guitar Center. Instant pay out too. 🙂 They typically offer you 60% of the used market value which they gather from their own database, reverb history charts, & eBay. So whatever you’re looking for if you can score it for that same 60% you’re winning big time. 75-80% is the normal pocket tho, & typically where one would expect to wind up. Everyone should respectfully negotiate as both parties share a common interest…
 
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