NAD #2 - Fortin Cali

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Yes I actually just realized that before this last clip I made. At first I thought it was the amount of Saturation but now I realize the knob is simply Saturation on or off and you can still control the Bass. User error.

This one is going to take a while, have never had an amp with so many interactive controls before so this is all foreign to me.

I would read up on Jose style circuits if I were you if you aren’t familiar with how they work, as the Cali is very much in that vein. Lots of info out there on how the gain controls interact on those amps, and I would assume some of the same principles apply to the fortin cali. But for what it’s worth, my ceriatone Meshuggah clone (yes, it’s a clone, so take it with a grain of salt) sounded about the same as your clips did, no matter what I did.
 
Interesting about the bias for sure, maybe it needs new tubes but who knows, id venture to say your cab is definitely your next area to look into for sure, some speakers just don’t play well with certain amps. Unfortunately for you there aren’t tons of demos or internet “folklore” that become commonly agreed on thought when it comes to these amps and what works with them because there isn’t many of them out there( like a 5150 sounding great with a recto cab for example, pretty well established). So you may have to do alittle more digging and demoing cabs for yourself.

As far as low end, maybe in the room it sounds ok, again my comments were more directed at recording and tracking, I should have been more specific.
Yep I understand and you are right. Most Cali clips are stiff, maybe lifeless, klank klank and tbh I was wondering why the hell I even bought it hahaha. I thought you just meant the amp itself didn't have any low end.

The one clip that made me want this amp was from LunatiBSW and his Friedman 2x12/1x15 I think the cab was. I was floored with that tone and IMO it is the best video available for this amp.
 
Yep I understand and you are right. Most Cali clips are stiff, maybe lifeless, klank klank and tbh I was wondering why the hell I even bought it hahaha. I thought you just meant the amp itself didn't have any low end.

The one clip that made me want this amp was from LunatiBSW and his Friedman 2x12/1x15 I think the cab was. I was floored with that tone and IMO it is the best video available for this amp.

It’s interesting you bring up the 2x15... many don’t realize fhis, but when Hiwatt came out with that fortin designed amp a few years Ago at NAMM, everyone was floored by how huge it sounded. Little did anyone know, they secretly had it hooked up to a 2x15 and/or the isp sub cab out of sight the entire time... talk about shady.
 
It’s interesting you bring up the 2x15... many don’t realize fhis, but when Hiwatt came out with that fortin designed amp a few years Ago at NAMM, everyone was floored by how huge it sounded. Little did anyone know, they secretly had it hooked up to a 2x15 and/or the isp sub cab out of sight the entire time... talk about shady.
Was not aware and yep, people should not have to have all kinds of accessories in my opinion to get a good sound. Amp, decent 4x12 (which I lack), maybe a boost and rock.
 
It’s interesting you bring up the 2x15... many don’t realize fhis, but when Hiwatt came out with that fortin designed amp a few years Ago at NAMM, everyone was floored by how huge it sounded. Little did anyone know, they secretly had it hooked up to a 2x15 and/or the isp sub cab out of sight the entire time... talk about shady.
Wow, that is fucked up.
 
Let me stop by this week and we can EQ it, and have 2 beers. I'll swoop over from Edwardsville. Not trying to invite myself..
 
I don't mean to offend anyone here, but I borrowed a Cali from a buddy for a couple days a while back. I couldn't stand that amp. Sounded lifeless, dull, loose or "wooly" maybe, just everything I don't like about a Marshall was in that amp. I was seriously disappointed with it. Maybe it had some issues, but I didn't look into it any further, just stopped playing it and didn't give it any more time. I'm hoping they typically sound better than that one did.

Typically, I'll know if an amp is for me or not fairly fast. You can try to dial out the bad stuff, but most of the time it doesn't happen.
 
I couldn’t disagree more with amps designed like this. Every amp I drop the bias on immediately becomes much tighter , aggressive, bigger low end and bigger highs.. I have clips of my Diezel Einstein I did this with just to show the fact and kept everything else exactly the same in the signal chain, you can’t dispute it, Atleast with that amp in that scenario. My Herbert was exactly the same experience, and the super hot 5150s always sound like a flubby smooth bloated mess when turned up a bit compared to the “cold” stock 5150s.

Of course, this is all amp dependent and relative to the design of the power amp in what is considered “hot” or “cold”, for sure. The fortins I know for a fact though, Atleast stock, are ridiculously hot.

as far as needing a bass player, I’ll admit my experience is more specifically aimed at recording vs live, I have no opinion on fortins live to be honest. But for tracking, where you can get away with much more than you can live ( in regards to amount of bottom end or high end or lack of/excessive midrange for example) the fortin stuff was some of the absolute worst amps I’ve ever heard under a microphone. Olas videos of where he has 6 or 7 amps in the room shows this perfectly what I am talking about. I mean it’s awful. All mids, no highs, no low end, every other amp stomps it, and this was my experience in the room as well, let alone tracking one.


Well, the Fortin is basically a modded Marshall (from what I've been told, read) and maybe with an amp like you have had experience with, i.e. preamp gain and a cold bias the norm (like my/your Mesa Triple F) or a Diezel that formula works fine BUT if it is a modded Marshall circuit they absolutely will suffer tonally from a cold bias..esp when turned up loud. Marshalls sound terrible with a cold bias, while a Mesa, SLO, and more preamp driven tone machines do just fine.
 
I played with the settings some more and made another clip closer to the amp. The low end comment is just flat out wrong. Maybe my shitty videos doesn't capture it but there are no issues with the low end. Yeah, it is not as devastating as an original ubershcall for example but pfft.

I checked the bias, when I first turned it on it read 19ma....After playing for a minute or so it read 25ma. The manual recommends 32ma so I assume this is already cold and I have not adjusted it. I am not that tech savvy frankly and idk. My cab is certainly not helping matters I can imagine. I will look into some new tubes however. I have not even opened it up yet so idk what is inside.

Anyway here is the clip. A little louder then before. Definitely loud enough to be miked at a gig for sure. Not that I always want ear blistering volumes but I was kind of like wtf when I cranked it up. This clip is straight in no boost and the more I play it the more I think it sounds better without a boost, at least with the 808. Have the MK.4.23 on the way so I will try that.



Yeah that's WAY too cold for a Marshall circuit. Way too cold. Get that up in the 35-37ma range and put the screws to it, see if that sounds better.
 
Congrats man.
:cheers:
Glad to see you back in the game :D
I'd be happy to try it on my Recto cab with the Koko Boost and 10 band you sold me :yes:


The one clip that made me want this amp was from LunatiBSW and his Friedman 2x12/1x15 I think the cab was. I was floored with that tone and IMO it is the best video available for this amp.
Agreed. His demo of that amp was SICK!
 
I don't mean to offend anyone here, but I borrowed a Cali from a buddy for a couple days a while back. I couldn't stand that amp. Sounded lifeless, dull, loose or "wooly" maybe, just everything I don't like about a Marshall was in that amp. I was seriously disappointed with it. Maybe it had some issues, but I didn't look into it any further, just stopped playing it and didn't give it any more time. I'm hoping they typically sound better than that one did.

Typically, I'll know if an amp is for me or not fairly fast. You can try to dial out the bad stuff, but most of the time it doesn't happen.
Yeah it is definitely not an instant gratification amp from my experience but I will say the more I mess with it the better it gets. Need to try different bias settings and cabs/speakers before I make a decision to keep or sell. I do have it sounding pretty brutal however.
 
Congrats man.
:cheers:
Glad to see you back in the game :D
I'd be happy to try it on my Recto cab with the Koko Boost and 10 band you sold me :yes:



Agreed. His demo of that amp was SICK!
Would definitely be down for that.
 
Something has to be wrong with it... like tubes (as mentioned). I know Fortin designs amps for drop tuning, but it should have some decent bottom end going on... or with a few dial turns it should be able to throw bottom end.

Im confused with what you said about the bass knob. When it’s pulled it’s just acting as a switch and the knob should still function as normal?!?
 
Im confused with what you said about the bass knob. When it’s pulled it’s just acting as a switch and the knob should still function as normal?!?
Yeah it functions as normal. It is a pull knob that activates the Saturation. At first i thought turning the knob determined the amount of sat but I was wrong.
 
Just wanted to chime in re: speakers.
For some reason, the 70th anniversary G12H30's sound crazy good with Jose style amps. I don't really dig them with any other amps, but goddamn do they sound good with Cameron / Jose / Cali type circuits.
The frequency response of those speakers just seems to gel with the diode clipping thing, for whatever reason....it's like they add back all the good stuff that goes away when you switch in the SAT circuit.
I keep a 4x12 loaded with 'em around for just that application.
YMMV
 
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Just wanted to chime in re: speakers.
For some reason, the 70th anniversary G12H30's sound crazy good with Jose style amps. I don't really dig them with any other amps, but goddamn do they sound good with Cameron / Jose / Cali type circuits.
The frequency response of those speakers just seems to gel with the diode clipping thing, for whatever reason....it's like they add back all the good stuff that goes away when you switch in the SAT circuit.
I keep a 4x12 loaded with 'em around for just that application.
YMMV
Edit: Nvm, found a cab with these speakers. Gonna give it a shot.
 
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Hey Maddon, don't let these "Tone Cockroaches"
mess with your new amp purchase.
Its ok. I got it sounding good with a crappy cab. Gonna get another cab and the volume issue is the only thing I really need to figure out.
 
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